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  • heywood
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    • Jun 2003
    • 468

    #51
    Originally posted by damian2001
    Its not a template - it is the same script - you can see by the way it hands over data to forms etc....
    actually it uses a smarty template that many of those scripts use. I've seen it on several of the scripts for sale. It's very common.

    My guess is the proprietary parts have to do with the encoding and file transfer processes. Most of the ones for sale have encoded files, this one has full source, and was created by his programmer, I've seen the code.

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    • Samir Nagheenanajar
      So Fucking Banned
      • Aug 2006
      • 481

      #52
      Originally posted by damian2001
      Its a board filled with experianced webmasters
      Obviously not in grammar and spelling

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      • Damian_Maxcash
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        • Oct 2002
        • 12745

        #53
        Originally posted by Samir Nagheenanajar
        Obviously not in grammar and spelling
        lol - ok

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        • orangecrush
          Registered User
          • Jan 2004
          • 27

          #54
          I'm more awesome than Malicious.

          Just sayin'
          BLEH..

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          • darksoul
            Confirmed User
            • Apr 2002
            • 4997

            #55
            Originally posted by damian2001
            Its not a template - it is the same script - you can see by the way it hands over data to forms etc....
            took a look.
            I gotta agree
            its the same script.
            1337 5y54|)m1n: 157717888
            BM-2cUBw4B2fgiYAfjkE7JvWaJMiUXD96n9tN
            Cambooth

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            • Malicious Biz
              So Fucking Banned
              • Mar 2005
              • 4575

              #56
              Originally posted by orangecrush
              I'm more awesome than Malicious.

              Just sayin'
              Impossible. no one could possibly be more awesome than I.
              I am infinitely awesome to the tenth power.

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              • Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE
                MOBILE PORN: IMOBILEPORN
                • Jan 2004
                • 16502

                #57
                Originally posted by Malicious Biz
                Impossible. no one could possibly be more awesome than I.
                I am infinitely awesome to the tenth power.
                i have to agree, OC is just a whore

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                • Damian_Maxcash
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 12745

                  #58
                  Originally posted by darksoul
                  took a look.
                  I gotta agree
                  its the same script.
                  Thanks.

                  Maybe he has been ripped off by his coder..... if thats the case, then sorry.

                  But you need to sort it out - I know AlstraSoft are bastards when it comes to this stuff. They have been doing it for years and every script they produce gets ripped and they do everything they can to stop it.

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                  • xanx
                    Confirmed User
                    • Apr 2002
                    • 3711

                    #59
                    I contacted,

                    http://www.alstrasoft.com/contact.htm

                    I will provide them a copy of my code. I will sort out any further problems with them directly.

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                    • Damian_Maxcash
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                      • Oct 2002
                      • 12745

                      #60
                      Originally posted by xanx
                      I contacted,

                      http://www.alstrasoft.com/contact.htm

                      I will provide them a copy of my code. I will sort out any further problems with them directly.
                      Good move.

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                      • Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE
                        MOBILE PORN: IMOBILEPORN
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 16502

                        #61
                        good to see this being settled, Chris is one of the LAST people i would call a scammer...

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                        • datatank
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                          • Aug 2004
                          • 5471

                          #62
                          Originally posted by heywood
                          it uses ffmpeg, and it encodes wmv just fine, even media player 9 files.

                          Nice stuff FFmpeg was having some troubles with WMV when we tried it on a project..

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                          • xanx
                            Confirmed User
                            • Apr 2002
                            • 3711

                            #63
                            Originally posted by LOL :D
                            good to see this being settled, Chris is one of the LAST people i would call a scammer...
                            Thanks,

                            If anything is not right with this code I'm going to have a talk with my programmer. I just can't believe he would do something like that though as I have used him for over 3 years with no problems. Yet, there is enough of a similarity to have a look.

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                            • heywood
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 468

                              #64
                              Originally posted by datatank
                              Nice stuff FFmpeg was having some troubles with WMV when we tried it on a project..
                              FFmpeg has had its troubles in the past, but it seems to be better. You just have to install a lot of bullshit to make it work, I went through that last weekend, redoing everything. It seems to be maturing as a product.

                              One thing Chris told me, they only update via the CVS, so to get the newest version, you should use that.

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                              • Zarathustra
                                Confirmed User
                                • Oct 2005
                                • 1094

                                #65
                                Originally posted by LOL :D
                                and spare me the "you're a nobody, your opinion doesn't matter" bullshit too

                                Last edited by Zarathustra; 09-07-2006, 09:54 PM.

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                                • datatank
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                                  • Aug 2004
                                  • 5471

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by heywood
                                  FFmpeg has had its troubles in the past, but it seems to be better. You just have to install a lot of bullshit to make it work, I went through that last weekend, redoing everything. It seems to be maturing as a product.

                                  One thing Chris told me, they only update via the CVS, so to get the newest version, you should use that.

                                  Cool thanks for the info. Goodluck to you guys

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                                  • Damian_Maxcash
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Oct 2002
                                    • 12745

                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by xanx
                                    Thanks,

                                    If anything is not right with this code I'm going to have a talk with my programmer. I just can't believe he would do something like that though as I have used him for over 3 years with no problems. Yet, there is enough of a similarity to have a look.
                                    Compare this code from ./siteadmin/groupvideos.php with yours.

                                    Code:
                                    <?php
                                            include("../include/config.php");
                                            include("../include/function.php");
                                    chk_admin_login();
                                            
                                            $sql = "select gname from group_own where GID=$_GET[gid]";
                                            $rs = $conn->execute($sql);
                                            STemplate::assign('gname', $rs->fields['gname']);
                                    
                                            $listing_per_page = 20;
                                    
                                            /* All videos */
                                            if($_GET["a"]=="")
                                            {
                                                    //DELETE A video
                                                    if($action=="del")
                                                    {
                                                            $sql = "delete from group_vdo where GID=$gid and VID=$VID";
                                                            $conn->execute($sql);
                                                    }
                                    
                                                    //MAKE THE SUBQUERY
                                                    if($_GET["a"]=="")
                                                            $query = " where GID=$gid";
                                    
                                                    //PAGING
                                                    if($page=="")
                                                    $page = 1;
                                                    $sql = "SELECT count(*) as total from group_vdo $query";
                                                    $ars = $conn->Execute($sql);
                                                    $total = $ars->fields['total'];
                                                    $grandtotal = $total;
                                                    $tpage = ceil($total/$listing_per_page);
                                                    if($tpage==0) $spage=$tpage+1;
                                                    else $spage = $tpage;
                                                    $startfrom = ($page-1)*$listing_per_page;
                                                    
                                    
                                                    $page_no = "";
                                                    for($i=1; $i<=10 and $i<=$tpage; $i++)
                                                    {
                                                            if($i==$page)
                                                                    $page_no .= "<b class='orange'>$i</b> ";
                                                            else
                                                                    $page_no .= "<a href='groupvideos.php?a=$_GET[a]&status=$status&page=$i&sort=$sort' class='blue-n'>".$i."</a> ";
                                                    }
                                                    if($page_no!="")
                                                            $link = "Page $page_no of <b>$spage</b> Pages";
                                                    else
                                                            $link = "<br><br><br><center>There is no $_GET[a] video available</center><br>";
                                    
                                    
                                    //                $link = "You are in Page <b>$page</b> of <b>$spage</b>";
                                                    if($tpage>1)
                                                    {
                                                            $nextpage=$page+1;
                                                            $prevpage=$page-1;
                                                            $prevlink="<a href='groupvideos.php?a=$_GET[a]&status=$status&page=$prevpage&sort=$sort'><img src='../images/icon/previous.gif' title='Previous' alt='Previous' border='0' style='vertical-align: middle;'></a>";
                                                            $nextlink="<a href='groupvideos.php?a=$_GET[a]&status=$status&page=$nextpage&sort=$sort'><img src='../images/icon/next.gif' title='Next' alt='Next' border='0' style='vertical-align: middle;'></a>";
                                                            if($page==$tpage)
                                                                    $link.="&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;$prevlink";
                                                            elseif($tpage>$page && $page>1)
                                                                    $link.="&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;$prevlink &nbsp;&nbsp;$nextlink";
                                                            elseif($tpage>$page && $page<=1)
                                                                    $link.="&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;$nextlink";
                                                    }
                                    
                                                    $sql="SELECT VID from group_vdo $query limit $startfrom, $listing_per_page";
                                                    $rs = $conn->Execute($sql);
                                                    while(!$rs->EOF)
                                                    {
                                                            $gvdo[] = $rs->fields['VID'];
                                                            $rs->movenext();
                                                    }
                                                    $total = $rs->recordcount()+0;
                                                    if($sort!="")
                                                            $sort=" order by $sort";
                                                    $sql = "select * from video where VID in (".implode(",",$gvdo).") $sort";
                                                    $rs = $conn->execute($sql);
                                                    $videos = $rs->getrows();
                                    
                                                    STemplate::assign('link',$link);
                                                    STemplate::assign('grandtotal',$grandtotal+0);
                                                    STemplate::assign('total',$total+0);
                                                    STemplate::assign('page',$page+0);
                                                    STemplate::assign('videos',$videos);
                                    
                                            }
                                    
                                    
                                    
                                            Stemplate::assign('err',$err);
                                            Stemplate::assign('msg',$msg);
                                            STemplate::display("siteadmin/groupvideos.tpl");
                                    ?>
                                    That should give you the answer.

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                                    • studiocritic
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                                      • Jun 2005
                                      • 2442

                                      #68
                                      this looks like an interesting thread.. one of few today
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                                      • Zarathustra
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                                        • Oct 2005
                                        • 1094

                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by xanx
                                        I contacted,

                                        http://www.alstrasoft.com/contact.htm

                                        I will provide them a copy of my code. I will sort out any further problems with them directly.
                                        Alstrasoft doesn't do code. He's just a guy buying scripts from coders around the net but is not a coder and will be like "WTF? is this jibberish" if you send it to him to compare.

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                                        • Hooligan
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • May 2001
                                          • 1472

                                          #70
                                          so whats the verdict? is he a scammer?

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                                          • Damian_Maxcash
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                                            • Oct 2002
                                            • 12745

                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by Hooligan
                                            so whats the verdict? is he a scammer?
                                            Looks like he was taken by his coder......

                                            He has been pulled on this before though, so you would have thought he would have checked then.

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                                            • studiocritic
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                                              • Jun 2005
                                              • 2442

                                              #72
                                              Originally posted by damian2001
                                              Looks like he was taken by his coder......

                                              He has been pulled on this before though, so you would have thought he would have checked then.
                                              you're the interweb police.
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                                              • Damian_Maxcash
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                                                • Oct 2002
                                                • 12745

                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by studiocritic
                                                you're the interweb police.
                                                So if you see people losing money on something like this you wouldnt say anything? - Nice

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                                                • xanx
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Apr 2002
                                                  • 3711

                                                  #74
                                                  Ran difference on all three,

                                                  mine,
                                                  videoshare
                                                  moviecms http://www.moviecms.com/demo/

                                                  All show differences, yet very small.

                                                  Like I said, I will talk with them

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                                                  • studiocritic
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                                                    • Jun 2005
                                                    • 2442

                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by damian2001
                                                    So if you see people losing money on something like this you wouldnt say anything? - Nice
                                                    wow.. you're not only the interweb police.. you're telepathic?

                                                    it was a joke. lighten up.
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                                                    • studiocritic
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                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by xanx
                                                      Ran difference on all three,

                                                      mine,
                                                      videoshare
                                                      moviecms http://www.moviecms.com/demo/

                                                      All show differences, yet very small.

                                                      Like I said, I will talk with them


                                                      if you need good developers, hit me up.. sounds like your current one won't be around much longer
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                                                      • xanx
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                                                        • Apr 2002
                                                        • 3711

                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by studiocritic
                                                        you're the interweb police.
                                                        He has a point. He could have contacted me directly and dealt with it but he chose to peruse drama instead. thats cool, this is GFY and that comes with it. There are several of these scripts now that I look and all have pretty similar code, I have tested 5 so far. But like I said, he has a valid gripe, they are close, so I will look into it.

                                                        The same I would have done if he came to me personally. He's just acting like a child, one that thrives on attention.

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                                                        • studiocritic
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                                                          • Jun 2005
                                                          • 2442

                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by xanx
                                                          He has a point.
                                                          i was half-joking when i said it.. but yea, i would have icq'd you directly.

                                                          i dont think we've spoken before, kudos on the ntfu situation and not bending over.
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                                                          • xanx
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                                                            • Apr 2002
                                                            • 3711

                                                            #79
                                                            Originally posted by studiocritic
                                                            i was half-joking when i said it.. but yea, i would have icq'd you directly.

                                                            i dont think we've spoken before, kudos on the ntfu situation and not bending over.
                                                            Thanks,

                                                            that was a headach for sure lol.

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                                                            • bl4h
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jul 2006
                                                              • 1282

                                                              #80
                                                              i dont know this guy, but when i first saw his sig the first thing i thought was "100 bucks says hes selling alstrasoft or some other rip"

                                                              seriously

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                                                              • Damian_Maxcash
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                • 12745

                                                                #81
                                                                Originally posted by xanx
                                                                He has a point. He could have contacted me directly and dealt with it but he chose to peruse drama instead. thats cool, this is GFY and that comes with it. There are several of these scripts now that I look and all have pretty similar code, I have tested 5 so far. But like I said, he has a valid gripe, they are close, so I will look into it.

                                                                The same I would have done if he came to me personally. He's just acting like a child, one that thrives on attention.

                                                                You where pulled on this before and you just told the person to fuck off.

                                                                I would have contacted you directly if I hadnt already seen that.

                                                                Thats also why I dont have much sympathy if you where done by your coder - you should have looked closer when you where pulled last time.

                                                                As far as "thrives on attention", you couldnt be any further from the truth.

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                                                                • studiocritic
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                                                                  #82
                                                                  Originally posted by xanx
                                                                  Thanks,

                                                                  that was a headach for sure lol.
                                                                  heh, i followed it at the time.. i figured they were gonna send you to gitmo.. mr enemy combatant

                                                                  you're letting the terrorists win
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                                                                  • studiocritic
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                                                                    #83
                                                                    Originally posted by damian2001
                                                                    You where pulled on this before and you just told the person to fuck off.

                                                                    I would have contacted you directly if I hadnt already seen that.

                                                                    Thats also why I dont have much sympathy if you where done by your coder - you should have looked closer when you where pulled last time.

                                                                    As far as "thrives on attention", you couldnt be any further from the truth.
                                                                    what is your connection to the alstrasoft people?
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                                                                    • xanx
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                                                                      #84
                                                                      Originally posted by damian2001
                                                                      You where pulled on this before and you just told the person to fuck off.

                                                                      I would have contacted you directly if I hadnt already seen that.

                                                                      Thats also why I dont have much sympathy if you where done by your coder - you should have looked closer when you where pulled last time.

                                                                      As far as "thrives on attention", you couldnt be any further from the truth.
                                                                      where was I pulled on this before ? I don't recall ANYONE bringing this to my attention until today? Please share..

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                                                                      • Damian_Maxcash
                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                        • 12745

                                                                        #85
                                                                        Originally posted by xanx
                                                                        where was I pulled on this before ? I don't recall ANYONE bringing this to my attention until today? Please share..
                                                                        http://www.sitepoint.com/marketplace/auction/1224?

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                                                                        • Phoenix
                                                                          BACON BACON BACON
                                                                          • Nov 2002
                                                                          • 35475

                                                                          #86
                                                                          well..cant blame anyone for being duped on programming..i think it is fairly common
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                                                                          • xanx
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                                                                            • Apr 2002
                                                                            • 3711

                                                                            #87
                                                                            Originally posted by damian2001
                                                                            Yea, forgot about that. He contacted me privately and asked about the template. Nothing about the code came up.

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                                                                            • Damian_Maxcash
                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                              • 12745

                                                                              #88
                                                                              Originally posted by studiocritic
                                                                              what is your connection to the alstrasoft people?
                                                                              Nothing at all - is that relevent?

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                                                                              • Damian_Maxcash
                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                • 12745

                                                                                #89
                                                                                Originally posted by SPeRMiNaToR
                                                                                damian2001 you're a fucking retard. Go fuck a woodchipper
                                                                                Can you explain this Spermy?

                                                                                Why?

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                                                                                • bknoob
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                                                                                  • Apr 2006
                                                                                  • 1610

                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  ok... I know part of the story regarding this script because I did my research a few months ago because I was interested in purchasing it. The original creator of this script worked closely with a programmer to create this youtube clone for his own site. Something ugly happened between him and the programmer so the programmer decided to leak the script to the public by posting it to warez sites and such for revenge. The script was 98% done at that point with a few bugs here and there. The person who ultimately funded this project to hire this programmer is now supposedly going after people reselling and many claim they have "resale rights" but what they are doing is just selling the warez script for cheap. I mean, who sells the script for $60 bucks and gives resale rights?

                                                                                  Anyways, the companies like alstrasoft, etc that sell this script probably just got the source from one of the p2p sites and modified it a little to complete it and sell it to the public.

                                                                                  My point is, everyone is stealing form the original creator so nobody wins here.

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                                                                                  • Damian_Maxcash
                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                    • 12745

                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    Originally posted by bknoob
                                                                                    ok... I know part of the story regarding this script because I did my research a few months ago because I was interested in purchasing it. The original creator of this script worked closely with a programmer to create this youtube clone for his own site. Something ugly happened between him and the programmer so the programmer decided to leak the script to the public by posting it to warez sites and such for revenge. The script was 98% done at that point with a few bugs here and there. The person who ultimately funded this project to hire this programmer is now supposedly going after people reselling and many claim they have "resale rights" but what they are doing is just selling the warez script for cheap. I mean, who sells the script for $60 bucks and gives resale rights?

                                                                                    Anyways, the companies like alstrasoft, etc that sell this script probably just got the source from one of the p2p sites and modified it a little to complete it and sell it to the public.

                                                                                    My point is, everyone is stealing form the original creator so nobody wins here.
                                                                                    Thats interesting - Im suprised Alstra would do that - they pull in fairly large amounts of money and it seems like a big risk.

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                                                                                    • xanx
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                                                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                                                      • 3711

                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      After spending ALL day sorting this out thisout this is what has happened.

                                                                                      It's just like the guy before me said.

                                                                                      The original script creator is

                                                                                      Md. Khorshed Alam
                                                                                      ([email protected])
                                                                                      The RS Software,
                                                                                      10 Dargah Gate, Sylhet: 3100
                                                                                      Bangladesh
                                                                                      Phone : +880171400958
                                                                                      It was stolen from him and released some time ago.

                                                                                      Alstrasoft, MovieCMS, VideoShare, etc, have all STOLEN this script from him and released it. He is taking action on them now as they are the largest distributors of the script.

                                                                                      Unfortunately the code has been blasted everywhere and now shows up in a million open source projects and sites. All my programmer did was see the code examples from open source sites and use it. From what I understand that is very common.

                                                                                      I contacted the REAL owner of the script, paid for it with FULL re-sale and development rights.

                                                                                      I hope this will make Chris and damian2001 happy and like I said before this script was coded for me and I DID NOT at any time steal anything from anyone.

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                                                                                      • xanx
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                                                                                        • Apr 2002
                                                                                        • 3711

                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        I would appreciate a public apology from damian2001 though I doubt you man enough to give one.

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                                                                                        • Damian_Maxcash
                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                          • 12745

                                                                                          #94
                                                                                          Originally posted by xanx
                                                                                          I would appreciate a public apology from damian2001 though I doubt you man enough to give one.
                                                                                          Actually, I have already said that if it was a problem with the coder then I apoligise earlier in the thread.

                                                                                          If your story is true then I am more than man enough to say sorry.

                                                                                          ..... but not quite yet.
                                                                                          Last edited by Damian_Maxcash; 09-08-2006, 10:32 AM.

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                                                                                          • xanx
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                                                                                            #95
                                                                                            Originally posted by damian2001
                                                                                            Actually, I have already said that if it was a problem with the coder then I apoligise earlier in the thread.

                                                                                            If your story is true then I am more than man enough to say sorry.

                                                                                            ..... but not quite yet.
                                                                                            You know,

                                                                                            you should put the effort you have used in trying to defame me in something more productive, anyway knock yourself out sport, you're a class act.

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                                                                                            • Barefootsies
                                                                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                              • 42635

                                                                                              #96
                                                                                              Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                              Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                              Enough Said.

                                                                                              "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                              • Machete_
                                                                                                WINNING!
                                                                                                • Oct 2002
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                                                                                                #97
                                                                                                I like the fact that XanX went to jail, begged for money - and now drives a Lexus. And you guys still call him "a stand up guy" .. its pathetic

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                                                                                                • orangecrush
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                                                                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                                                                  • 27

                                                                                                  #98
                                                                                                  Originally posted by LOL :D
                                                                                                  i have to agree, OC is just a whore
                                                                                                  HUSH YOU!
                                                                                                  BLEH..

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                                                                                                  • Damian_Maxcash
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                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                    • 12745

                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                    Originally posted by xanx
                                                                                                    You know,

                                                                                                    you should put the effort you have used in trying to defame me in something more productive, anyway knock yourself out sport, you're a class act.
                                                                                                    You were/are selling a stolen script. You had no right to sell it.

                                                                                                    You where told that there could be a problem before - you told that person to fuck off and didnt look into it - you carried on selling it.

                                                                                                    You where either scamming or at the very least guilty of gross stupidity.

                                                                                                    The writing was on the wall at least a week ago - you chose to ignore it and put your customers in direct risk of losing their money and maybe even worse.

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                                                                                                    • betabomb
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                                                                                                      • Nov 2005
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                                                                                                      #100
                                                                                                      100 scammers

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