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09-06-2006, 03:58 PM

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Determined to find the law that requires American citizens to pay income tax, producer Aaron Russo ("The Rose," "Trading Places") set out on a journey to find the evidence. This film which is neither left, nor right-wing is a startling examination of government. It exposes the systematic erosion of civil liberties in America since 1913 when the Federal Reserve system was fraudulently created. Through interviews with U.S. Congressmen, a former IRS Commissioner, former IRS and FBI agents and tax attorneys and authors, Russo connects the dots between money creation, federal income tax, and the national identity card which becomes law in May 2008. This ID card will use Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) chips which are essentially homing devices used to track people. This film shows in great detail and undeniable facts that America is moving headlong into a fascist police state. Wake up!
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09-06-2006, 04:01 PM

Very much so..don't fuck with the tax man

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09-06-2006, 04:02 PM

i will pay.
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09-06-2006, 04:08 PM

Yet another person who has missed the whole point of that movie/interview. Why does everyone confuse what this guy is trying to do with getting out of paying your income tax???

He is trying to shut down the Federal Reserve, not teach you how to get out paying your taxes.
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09-06-2006, 04:10 PM

I have never missed a year and file my taxes all the time

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09-06-2006, 04:10 PM

but why? there is now law that says you've to pay!

no law is in existence that says that man must pay direct tax from his wages!

federal reserve is a criminal 'agency'!

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm

ask your irs agent for the law..
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09-06-2006, 04:11 PM

I pay every penny due to them, on time every year.

I have a friend who "was" a HARDCORE "I don't pay taxes and they can't make me" person, until the IRS letter arrived, then the letter from the state of California arrived, and after it was all said and done, he owed quite a few pennies to "the man"

Pay them now or pay them later, but you will pay one way or the other.

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09-06-2006, 04:13 PM

Wath is tax?

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09-06-2006, 04:17 PM

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09-06-2006, 04:19 PM

Always pay on time.. Need to be able to sleep at night

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09-06-2006, 04:20 PM

watch the movie, dumbasses!
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09-06-2006, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by elitegirls

watch the movie, dumbasses!

+1 to the ignore list

Don't pay your taxes, see if I give a fuck...
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09-06-2006, 04:22 PM

it's hard but it's the truth, you are slaves.

only dumbasses let enslave its selve..
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09-06-2006, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by BB-Rick

+1 to the ignore list

Don't pay your taxes, see if I give a fuck...

I live in Germany and pay my taxes here, I've to do so, because it's German law.

America has no law for income taxes!
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09-06-2006, 04:23 PM

Want to take the first step and try not paying a few years and let us know what happens to you...
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09-06-2006, 04:27 PM

Please, WiredGuy, read my posting above. I pay taxes, but I don't live in US!

BTW: It seems to me, that 99.9% of the guys replying in this thread, don't even read my posting but only the headline?! WTF is wrong with you? ;)

It's and important topic. And as I said, not directly for me, because I'm a 'foreigner'.
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09-06-2006, 04:45 PM

I file a return. I have never paid taxes for as long as I have been on this earth. Any monies paid in were refunded. You know, I spend ALOT of money entertaining clients and taking business trips. :-)
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09-06-2006, 04:53 PM

The federal reserve is illegal, and income taxes are also illegal.

See "The 861 Evidence", mirrored here. The IRS has been busy shutting sites down that distribute this stuff.

http://web6.streamhoster.com/vinyasi...and/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Revenue_Code_861
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09-06-2006, 04:56 PM

that video is fucking chilling!!!!

the future is going to be fucking dark as hell... it will start with america first

but then it will spread allover the world.

I see your from Germany and you don't care, why aren't you concerned if they are trying to unite world banks and control all of us?
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09-06-2006, 05:05 PM

I absolutely pay and pay plenty.

All the best to you
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09-06-2006, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by minusonebit

The federal reserve is illegal, and income taxes are also illegal.

See "The 861 Evidence", mirrored here. The IRS has been busy shutting sites down that distribute this stuff.

http://web6.streamhoster.com/vinyasi...and/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Revenue_Code_861

really interesting stuff...

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/ is not loading for me, so they must be shutting sites down!!!!
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09-06-2006, 05:08 PM

6.sense: i am concerned.. therefore i make promotion for this video, even it don't really affects my RIGHT NOW, but maybe in the future.. you're right.

i wished and hope that there will be a german version of this film or maybe i'm making german untertitles *lol*

seriously, this movie must be seen by every student in school in the world from now to the next decades.. otherwise it will be really f**cking dark as hell on earth.
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09-06-2006, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by minusonebit

The federal reserve is illegal, and income taxes are also illegal.

See "The 861 Evidence", mirrored here. The IRS has been busy shutting sites down that distribute this stuff.

http://web6.streamhoster.com/vinyasi...and/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Revenue_Code_861

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09-06-2006, 05:10 PM

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09-06-2006, 05:11 PM

http://www.usdoj.gov/tax/txdv05418.htm

Looks like they sent the guy to jail who made that video. All of his websites are offline. So much for freedom of speech, eh?
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09-06-2006, 05:17 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...88777215293198

interview with the producer of the film
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09-06-2006, 05:18 PM

some people pay, some can avoid it.

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09-06-2006, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by elitegirls

but why? there is now law that says you've to pay!

This has been challenged in the court, 5 times that I know of, citing the exact thing you're citing.

They all went to jail.

Google it if you'd like.
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09-06-2006, 05:23 PM

and Aaron Russo is not in jail?!
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09-06-2006, 05:25 PM

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09-06-2006, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by edgeprod

This has been challenged in the court, 5 times that I know of, citing the exact thing you're citing.

They all went to jail.

Google it if you'd like.

look at SUPREME COURT decisions!

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09-06-2006, 05:33 PM

guys, do you remeber germany in the 1930s? ;)

history repeats itself in front of your eyes.
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09-06-2006, 05:34 PM

Ah well, I am in the mood to kick the hornets nest a few times. I did some checking and he still owns all his domains, but apparently his hosting is has been cut off.

Being that I have spare capacity, I think I am going to send our friend Mr. Rose a letter and offer to put his sites on my server for free. That should get me in good with the IRS, what do ya all think?

I tracked down where they have him tied down:

LARKEN DANDRIDG ROSE, 58421-066
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P.O. BOX 300
WAYMART, PA 18472

If anyone else wants to write him, feel free to do so at the address above.
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09-06-2006, 05:38 PM

nice work minusonebit!
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09-06-2006, 05:45 PM

governments = organised crime, everybody knows that
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09-06-2006, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by elitegirls

look at SUPREME COURT decisions!

It has only made it all the way to the Supreme Court once, and only because so many idiots believed it would actually be possible. The basis for the lower court's decision was upheld.

Enjoy prison, say "hello" to Bubba!

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09-06-2006, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by minusonebit

The federal reserve is illegal, and income taxes are also illegal.

See "The 861 Evidence", mirrored here. The IRS has been busy shutting sites down that distribute this stuff.

http://web6.streamhoster.com/vinyasi...and/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Revenue_Code_861

The courts have consistently ruled that the argument that Section 861 excludes income of U.S. citizens and resident aliens from taxation is without legal merit in cases such as Aiello v. Commissioner; Williams v. Commissioner; and United States v. Bell.
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09-06-2006, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by minusonebit

Ah well, I am in the mood to kick the hornets nest a few times. I did some checking and he still owns all his domains, but apparently his hosting is has been cut off.

Being that I have spare capacity, I think I am going to send our friend Mr. Rose a letter and offer to put his sites on my server for free. That should get me in good with the IRS, what do ya all think?

I tracked down where they have him tied down:

LARKEN DANDRIDG ROSE, 58421-066
USP CANAAN
U.S. PENITENTIARY
P.O. BOX 300
WAYMART, PA 18472

If anyone else wants to write him, feel free to do so at the address above.

are you sure that's the same guy that made the documentary?
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09-06-2006, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by sixxxthsense

are you sure that's the same guy that made the documentary?

The only Larken Rose currently being locked up by the feds according to the BOP... and his release date is 1/07, so everything seems to match up. If not, oh well, whats a stamp?
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09-06-2006, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by elitegirls

Please, WiredGuy, read my posting above. I pay taxes, but I don't live in US!

BTW: It seems to me, that 99.9% of the guys replying in this thread, don't even read my posting but only the headline?! WTF is wrong with you? ;)

It's and important topic. And as I said, not directly for me, because I'm a 'foreigner'.

yeah no one read it. Gotta title the thread:

Great movie about the federal reserve system being illegal!!
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09-06-2006, 05:54 PM

Also, Russo didnt make the documentary, he is just a very vocal supporter of same.
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09-06-2006, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by Splum

The courts have consistently ruled that the argument that Section 861 excludes income of U.S. citizens and resident aliens from taxation is without legal merit in cases such as Aiello v. Commissioner; Williams v. Commissioner; and United States v. Bell.

This is my understanding also. I've read the caselaw (although not recently) from some of those cases, and from all reports, the judges pretty much laughed in their faces. The trials, for the most part, were full of stunts like reciting the Pledge instead of entering a plea, representing themselves, etc.

Why does "Fight the Power" all too often have to mean "We're a Bunch of Idiots"??
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09-06-2006, 05:59 PM

Florida doesn't have income tax...so its all groovy baby
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09-06-2006, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by minusonebit

Also, Russo didnt make the documentary, he is just a very vocal supporter of same.

ah okay! thanx for the info!

@detoxed: i try. you watched the movie yet? or the interview with russo?
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09-06-2006, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by edgeprod

This is my understanding also. I've read the caselaw (although not recently) from some of those cases, and from all reports, the judges pretty much laughed in their faces. The trials, for the most part, were full of stunts like reciting the Pledge instead of entering a plea, representing themselves, etc.

Why does "Fight the Power" all too often have to mean "We're a Bunch of Idiots"??

It dosent matter if 1 court, 2 courts, 10 courts, 100 courts, 1000 courts or all courts have ruled it frivilious or not. Facts are facts. The law says what the law says. There is NO debate on this.

16 American jurisprudence 2d, Section 177 late 2d, Section 256

?The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and [name of law], is in reality [no law], but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it.

[No one] is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound t enforce it.?

Norton v. Shelby County 118 US 45

?An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as [inoperative] as though it had never been passed.?

Marbury v. Madison 5 U.S. 137

?All laws which are [repugnant] to the Constitution are null and void.

Miranda v. Arizona 384 US 436

?Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would [abrogate] them.?
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09-06-2006, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by minusonebit

It dosent matter if 1 court, 2 courts, 10 courts, 100 courts, 1000 courts or all courts have ruled it frivilious or not. Facts are facts. The law says what the law says. There is NO debate on this.

Actually, how the courts rule is the ONLY thing that matters. If the law says "you cannot wear a chicken suit," and you are dressed as a monkey, it won't matter WHAT the law said if the court decides to convict you. Once it goes all the way up the chain (or is refused by a higher court), you're out of appeals, and all the "I'm right" in the world isn't going to get you out of jail.

I guess it matters in the CLASSROOM what the law says, but 11th grade Social Studies doesn't prepare you for the adult world. If the courts convict consistently, the only change that can be made is legislatively -- and that isn't happening.

Sorry, but you're not talking about the real world -- this is dream land. Stop paying your taxes and see if that excuse keeps you out of jail. Then, post here with the results.
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09-06-2006, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by minusonebit

It dosent matter if 1 court, 2 courts, 10 courts, 100 courts, 1000 courts or all courts have ruled it frivilious or not. Facts are facts. The law says what the law says. There is NO debate on this.

I forgot to mention something funny in my haste to laugh at your baaaaah'ing.

Whose interpretation of the law matters? The judge, or some guy on a message board?

This is why people without law degrees end up going down dangerous paths when they think they understand things that they clearly don't.
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09-06-2006, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by edgeprod

Sorry, but you're not talking about the real world -- this is dream land. Stop paying your taxes and see if that excuse keeps you out of jail. Then, post here with the results.

Already have. I stopped paying in 1999. Oh, and did I mention I routinely cheat on state sales tax too? You wouldnt belive the number and scope of the items I purchase for "farm use". The government lost the right to tax me when it stopped representing me. No taxation without representation.
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09-06-2006, 06:21 PM

Nope - don't pay any taxes.

Sorted that out years ago and never had a tax form for personal or corporate taxation since. (Don't like junk mail)

Qualification - not exactly 100% true - still obviously pay sales taxes when shopping etc - this can be nada thru to 13% depending on the product.

Don't want to pay taxes? Just get organized and dump them - there are plenty options and all 100% legal.

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09-06-2006, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by minusonebit

Already have. I stopped paying in 1999. Oh, and did I mention I routinely cheat on state sales tax too? You wouldnt belive the number and scope of the items I purchase for "farm use". The government lost the right to tax me when it stopped representing me. No taxation without representation.

That may catch up with you. Hope it doesn't, of course! But if it DOES, I wouldn't count on this caselaw to save you -- it's saved NO ONE that I know of. The cases got laughed all the way to heavy jail time.
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