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  • Gillespie
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    • Aug 2006
    • 1391
    #1

    New idea - No money

    So I have this idea about a new concept for porn. I'm not sure if it can be called a niche or just a new type of porn.

    The problem is that I don't have the money to develop it. How do I look for investors? Most importantly, how do I protect the idea from getting stolen if I reveal it to possible investors?
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    • tranza
      ICQ: 197-556-237
      • Jun 2003
      • 57559
      #2
      You don't.
      I'm just a newbie.

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        • Gillespie
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          • Aug 2006
          • 1391
          #3
          I don't tell it? So basically I have to pull money out of my ass or give away the idea?
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            • Linguist
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              • Apr 2004
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              #4
              Originally posted by Gillespie
              I don't tell it? So basically I have to pull money out of my ass or give away the idea?
              Yup. What's the idea?
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                • Gillespie
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                  • Aug 2006
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                  #5
                  Ain't happenin Linquist. :D
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                    • woj
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                      • Jul 2002
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                      #6
                      how much $$ do you need anyway?
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                        • Alphonso
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                          • Dec 2005
                          • 544
                          #7
                          It will fail
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                            • gfx3
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                              • Nov 2005
                              • 1685
                              #8
                              There are sites on the internet where you can offer your ideas for sale but you will have to sort of tell what they are about.

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                                • LadyMischief
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                                  • Sep 2002
                                  • 18135
                                  #9
                                  Non-disclosure agreements work.

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                                    • MaddCaz
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                                      • Mar 2006
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                                      #10
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                                        • Gillespie
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                                          • Aug 2006
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                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by woj
                                          how much $$ do you need anyway?
                                          I really have no idea. Just to be on the extremely safe side, I'd say about 20K, but possibly a lot less, like 10K. I have the idea, but I haven't even started to figure things out.
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                                            • serguei
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                                              • Mar 2004
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                                              #12
                                              No protection. You can protect only ready made pics or video after you will got copyright for it...
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                                                • Gillespie
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                                                  • Aug 2006
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                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by LadyMischief
                                                  Non-disclosure agreements work.
                                                  Won't this protect me from people talking about the idea but not executing this? I need chmod 700 on this and I need to figure out some way of doing it.
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                                                    • Gillespie
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                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by serguei
                                                      No protection. You can protect only ready made pics or video after you will got copyright for it...
                                                      Fuck the content. I need to protect the concept, at least until I've established myself on the market.
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                                                        • Enema
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                                                          • May 2004
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                                                          #15
                                                          Do you even have any skills and experience or is the "concept" the only thing you bring to the table?

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                                                            • Gillespie
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                                                              • Aug 2006
                                                              • 1391
                                                              #16
                                                              I have an advertising and marketing background, not electronic though. Secifically as a regional account exec for a big company. Regional as in a region of the world, not a country.
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                                                                • Snake Doctor
                                                                  I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                  • Mar 2001
                                                                  • 13449
                                                                  #17
                                                                  If "protecting your concept" was possible there wouldn't be a bazillion bangbus and milfhunter copycat sites out there.

                                                                  Doesn't matter if you get copied, only matters if you get to market first.
                                                                  Unfortunately you're not going to find people willing to invest big $$ unless you have a proven track record in this biz.

                                                                  Also, it's very possible that your "new idea" has been tried before, isn't really new it's just something you haven't seen before...or it may be a bad idea to everyone but you.
                                                                  sig too big

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                                                                    • Snake Doctor
                                                                      I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                                      • 13449
                                                                      #18
                                                                      I tell you what...you can hit me on ICQ 784-656-90 and tell me your idea.
                                                                      I'm promising you publicly on this board that I won't repeat it, I'll just let you know if I think it's worth pursuing and if it is I'll point you in the right direction RE: Investors
                                                                      sig too big

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                                                                        • Gillespie
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                                                                          • Aug 2006
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          Lenny, you're absolutely correct in all of your points. That's why I need to discuss it with someone while knowing that he or she will not steal it from me.

                                                                          And yes, the whole point is to roll out first, then all the rest can follow.
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                                                                            • Nookster
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                                                                              • Nov 2005
                                                                              • 3744
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                              I tell you what...you can hit me on ICQ 784-656-90 and tell me your idea.
                                                                              I'm promising you publicly on this board that I won't repeat it, I'll just let you know if I think it's worth pursuing and if it is I'll point you in the right direction RE: Investors
                                                                              I'de hit up this guy if I were you.
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                                                                                • Gillespie
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                                                                                  • Aug 2006
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                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                                  I tell you what...you can hit me on ICQ 784-656-90 and tell me your idea.
                                                                                  I'm promising you publicly on this board that I won't repeat it, I'll just let you know if I think it's worth pursuing and if it is I'll point you in the right direction RE: Investors
                                                                                  Sorry Lenny, no can do. At least not at this point.
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                                                                                    • Gillespie
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                                                                                      • Aug 2006
                                                                                      • 1391
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by pornopete
                                                                                      You can't TM or copyright a type of porn. You didn't invent sex or the picture.
                                                                                      I don't want to TM or C a type of porn. I just don't want to be second in the market if it ever happens. I need that first spot, that's the key.
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                                                                                        • Nookster
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                                                                                          • Nov 2005
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Gillespie
                                                                                          I don't want to TM or C a type of porn. I just don't want to be second in the market if it ever happens. I need that first spot, that's the key.
                                                                                          Might as well save your pennies than if you're not willing to speak with others about it.
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                                                                                            • Enema
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                                                                                              • May 2004
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              You just turned down a great offer from Lenny.

                                                                                              What are you holding out for? Someone to hand you 20k on blind faith?

                                                                                              Time to wake up and smell the coffee mate.

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                                                                                                • sixsax
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                                                                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                                                                  • 213
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  So basically what you're asking is how you ask someone whether they like your idea without revealing the idea? Sounds like a paradox...

                                                                                                  Are you looking for a partner or a silent investor? If you want to run solo, surely you can just get a loan somewhere?

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                                                                                                    • Gillespie
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                                                                                                      • Aug 2006
                                                                                                      • 1391
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Nookster
                                                                                                      Might as well save your pennies than if you're not willing to speak with others about it.
                                                                                                      Yes, I do realize that I'm in a bad spot, that's why I asked for advice. As I said before, I'm new to the adult industry. It started as a hobby until today when this idea hit me from nowhere.

                                                                                                      I also know that it might just be the case where I think it's a fantastic idea and everyone else thinks its crap, but I don't think so.

                                                                                                      I haven't seen an attempt at this idea, and even though I'm new at adult webmastering, I've been watching porn on the net since 1994 or 1995, when porn went down using fservers on IRC. Are they still doing that btw?
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                                                                                                        • Linguist
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                                                                                                          • Apr 2004
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Gillespie
                                                                                                          I have an advertising and marketing background, not electronic though. Secifically as a regional account exec for a big company. Regional as in a region of the world, not a country.
                                                                                                          You may want to try for a bank loan and then proceed with the idea by yourself. Other than that, you'll have to disclose at least a general idea to the potential investors.
                                                                                                          Also, as some people already mentioned, you can't copyright it. So the only hope that you have is getting to the market first and grabbing a large piece of it.
                                                                                                          315-310

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                                                                                                            • Gillespie
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                                                                                                              • Aug 2006
                                                                                                              • 1391
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Enema
                                                                                                              You just turned down a great offer from Lenny.

                                                                                                              What are you holding out for? Someone to hand you 20k on blind faith?

                                                                                                              Time to wake up and smell the coffee mate.
                                                                                                              I know I may have turned down a good offer. I'm not in a position to start blurting it out anyway. I know Lenny knows his shit, but I just can't.
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                                                                                                                • Nookster
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                                                                                                                  • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                  • 3744
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Gillespie
                                                                                                                  Yes, I do realize that I'm in a bad spot, that's why I asked for advice. As I said before, I'm new to the adult industry. It started as a hobby until today when this idea hit me from nowhere.

                                                                                                                  I also know that it might just be the case where I think it's a fantastic idea and everyone else thinks its crap, but I don't think so.

                                                                                                                  I haven't seen an attempt at this idea, and even though I'm new at adult webmastering, I've been watching porn on the net since 1994 or 1995, when porn went down using fservers on IRC. Are they still doing that btw?
                                                                                                                  Hahaha, they definitely are! I frequent the irc chats from time to time...not to download but just to see what my friends are up to...but yea, it's still around.
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                                                                                                                    • Gillespie
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      I had a lot of good times with fservers ;)
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                                                                                                                        • scottybuzz
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                                                                                                                          #31
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                                                                                                                            • spacedog
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                                                                                                                              • Nov 2001
                                                                                                                              • 14149
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              NDA to hold them liable for disclosing idea
                                                                                                                              non compete to hold them liable for executing it

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                                                                                                                                • Gillespie
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                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                                  • 1391
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by spacedog
                                                                                                                                  NDA to hold them liable for disclosing idea
                                                                                                                                  non compete to hold them liable for executing it
                                                                                                                                  It seems like with this you can back them up into a corner. Are there any loopholes around it?
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                                                                                                                                    • Scootermuze
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                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2001
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Gillespie
                                                                                                                                      It seems like with this you can back them up into a corner. Are there any loopholes around it?
                                                                                                                                      Doesn't really matter.. as was earlier stated... Once it's out there, and if it's unique, it'll be copied, modified a bit to get around laws, yada yada...

                                                                                                                                      This industry isn't made up of choir boys.. Nothing is safe.. and definitely no honor among theives..

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                                                                                                                                        • germ
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                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 3108
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          if you truely believe in the idea, get a loan from the bank and do it yourself.

                                                                                                                                          otherwise, youre fucked. you want someone to invest in your idea because its good, yet you refuse to tell any potential investors what the idea may be.

                                                                                                                                          put yourself in their shoes. would you drop 20k on a random guy from the internet that has a "good idea thats never been done before", if he wouldnt even tell you the idea?

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                                                                                                                                            • Barefootsies
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                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                              • 42635
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Not a chance.

                                                                                                                                              At some point you will need to disclose your idea. I think you've fallen into the adult business, GFY paranoia that all of your ideas are brilliant and exclusive. Or that everyone will copy cat you and by tomorrow you'd have 500 sites ripping off your idea.

                                                                                                                                              Which I always find laughable.

                                                                                                                                              But even if you took it to a RL bank, or borrowed the money from an online broker... at SOME POINT you are going to have to provide a business plan, or model for this 'genius' before people will loan you a cent.

                                                                                                                                              If you can't give the idea, or a business plan, your idea is nothing.

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                                                                                                                                                • Adult Warden
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                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2006
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Hey bro,

                                                                                                                                                  Let me know where to wire the $20k...or would you rather do WU? Don't cut yourself short on trying to lowball doing it on $10k.

                                                                                                                                                  Its cool that you don't wanna disclose the info...I totally understand...I trust your idea is the next big thing...So just let me know where to sign...

                                                                                                                                                  I'll give ya 6 months to get everything up and running...

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                                                                                                                                                    • Gillespie
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                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                                                      • 1391
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Well, yes, you're all correct. I wouldn't give money to some guy with an idea on the board. By the way, I wasn't asking for GFY investors, I know that will never happen.

                                                                                                                                                      It's not like I think that all my ideas are pure genius, in fact, it's usually the other way around. That's why I'm going through so much trouble protecting this one.

                                                                                                                                                      I need to protect this idea until I'm the first one out there with it. I NEED to be first in the market. After that, everyone can lick my balls and copy it or do whatever they please. I don't think I would care because I was there first, and if I can develop it correctly, I shouldn't be afraid to have competition.

                                                                                                                                                      And yes, I'm in a tough spot. But I absolutely need to check and research the market before I can even hint something or look for investors.

                                                                                                                                                      I believe it's a great idea. Is there a market for it? I'll find out soon enough, although based on what I currently see out there, it's very possible.

                                                                                                                                                      Thank you for all the advice on the thread.

                                                                                                                                                      Also, I thought there was a standard way of handling this situation in the business. It seems that the only thing that can be done is a NDA and a no-compete if I want to tell someone about it.
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                                                                                                                                                        • aico
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                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                          • 14748
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          get a patent on your idea.

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                                                                                                                                                            • Gillespie
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                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                                                              • 1391
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              I don't think it can be patented. =(

                                                                                                                                                              With luck, I may be able to patent the business model, although I don't think it would be possible either.
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                                                                                                                                                                • Sebastian Sands
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  you should have hit up Lenny, he gave you a perfect oportunity and he is very trustworthy.

                                                                                                                                                                  Sebastian

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Supz
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                                                                      • 11057
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Nookster
                                                                                                                                                                      I'de hit up this guy if I were you.

                                                                                                                                                                      who asked you

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Terry Brown
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2006
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          regardless if you never get it patent just make your idea into a patent go and paid the filing fee with a postcard. Your idea will be register.
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                                                                                                                                                                              • 12169
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              start a major plan before you do something.....

                                                                                                                                                                              2nd is money.....


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                                                                                                                                                                                    • bdld
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 11452
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      ideas are a dime a dozen. everyone has 'em.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Adult Warden
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 1822
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by bdld
                                                                                                                                                                                          ideas are a dime a dozen. everyone has 'em.
                                                                                                                                                                                          I have an idea...

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • madawgz
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Mar 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 30509
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              just save up and do it yourself...
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • The Ghost
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 12188
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'll bite. Hit me up on icq if you are really interested in discussing business.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Gillespie
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hi The Ghost. Thanks for your offer, but I can't contact you with things as sketchy as they are and without knowing much about how to protect my idea.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      When I have it figured out, both the business model and the legal stuff, I'll get in touch.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Once again, thanks for the offer.
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