So i hear everyone bitching and complaining about tube sites, illegal sites with stolen content.. yet there are tons of banners promoting thousands of programs, sites etc. WHy do you allow your banners to be up.
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It's nothing a few good lawsuits couldn't fix: contributory infringement/ inducement to infringement, etc..Comment
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they could care less.Comment
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Not to many sponsors on YouTube care.
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They not only allow it, but they actually go out searching for these shady sites, often even buying prepaid spots...
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I wonder if the racketeering law (RICO) could be applied to organized content theft? RICO is a very powerful law.
"Despite its harsh provisions, a RICO-related charge is considered easy to prove in court, as it focuses on patterns of behavior as opposed to criminal acts.[2]"
Maybe civil RICO is a possibility...
"There is also a provision for private parties to sue. A "person damaged in his business or property" can sue one or more "racketeers." The plaintiff must prove the existence of a "criminal enterprise." The defendant(s) are not the enterprise; in other words, the defendant(s) and the enterprise are not one and the same. There must be one of four specified relationships between the defendant(s) and the enterprise. A civil RICO action, like many lawsuits based on federal law, can be filed in state or federal court. [1]"
Do numerous alleged instances of theft qualify as predicate acts..? Dunno, I'd love to hear a lawyer's opinion on this.
Some basic info on RICO here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rackete...anizations_ActLast edited by DaddyHalbucks; 02-14-2009, 10:02 AM.Comment
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no i have not done either
i am the guy who keeps telling you that you will make more money by embracing the technology then fighting it.
You will make more money giving away your content(process monitezation, branding bugs, product placement), then trying to push it thru the affiliate channel (and giving away more that 1/2 the money).
no one post my scripts on the public torrent sites, because i fully provide for the fair use rights of my customers (using a private tracker).
yet rather than solve the problem using the technology, you guys bitch and whine about it.
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you are a moron, as i have said
the reason my stuff is not on the public tracker is because i setup a private tracker
when you refuse to do that, the only way they can get the benefit of torrent based backup is to put it on a public tracker.
My statement is completely consistent you jackass.
Setup a private tracker and your public tracker problem disappears.
donh't and they have a fair use right to use the public tracker.Last edited by gideongallery; 02-14-2009, 11:14 AM.
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I always wonder how this guy got so obsessed with some super-obscure thing that no one has even heard of or care about. Has anyone in their life even heard any person online or off say that they wish there was a "public tracker" so they could download or re-download something? The thought has never been verbalized by one human being in history outside of Gideon himself in these odds threads he posts.Comment
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That's because he is not actually in this business, or industry. He just gets his rocks off posting his troll remarks and stirring up shit. How many other threads, business or bullshit, on this board can you honestly remember seeing him in? I mean really?
None.
Other than these copyright/tracker/torrent/DMCA types of things where he is the only one with the same ole shtick about it is legal, or and on and on. He's like a dog with a bone trying to get people all worked up.
He serves no other purpose.
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Well heres an industry that there are not enough baby wipes to wipe away the tears from bitching and complaining about stolen content, yet this is the universal reponse
STolen Content sites suck ass... but Ill advertise there since it makes me money. So basically if anyone advertises on stolen content sites, they are making money off my stolen content or someone else.Comment
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The problem ama most of the people here either:
Dont work in porn
Sell something that isnt porn
deal nothing with actual production.Comment
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...and they can hire gideongallery from his board troll job, since he has little else going on in the online adult business.
They can put him on legal retainer for their DMCA/copyright lawsuit. He can work his Copperfield on that whole 'time shifting' argument for the judge, like a jester for the king.
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It sucks, I know, but what you gonna do? Call up Brazzers, AFF, and all those other companies who advertise on them and bitch them out? Unfortunately, as much of a tard that guy up top is, if they comply with the DMCA and remove the video, just to have another "user" upload it, they aren't breaking any laws... yet.
Your best bet is to either embrace it and try to make money off it like a lot of programs already are, or fight them to have every bit of your content removed from it.
My suggestion, embrace it, and use it to your advantage. The same shit was going on years ago when MGP's were introduced.
I'm going to bed, its 1:11AM and I'm tired, I'll see this in the morning and respond to anything you say.
I just want to let you know, I'm not against getting rid of illegal tubes, but unless someone steps up and does something truly revolutionary to scare the living shit out of them, nothing will change.Last edited by Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE; 02-14-2009, 10:12 PM.Comment
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really how can you give advice when you are a programmer and dont sell porn?It sucks, I know, but what you gonna do? Call up Brazzers, AFF, and all those other companies who advertise on them and bitch them out? Unfortunately, as much of a tard that guy up top is, if they comply with the DMCA and remove the video, just to have another "user" upload it, they aren't breaking any laws... yet.
Your best bet is to either embrace it and try to make money off it like a lot of programs already are, or fight them to have every bit of your content removed from it.
My suggestion, embrace it, and use it to your advantage. The same shit was going on years ago when MGP's were introduced.Comment
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Quoted for truth.
It is like shadow boxing a bunch of devil's advocates with nothing but e-penis, attitude and time (no offense implied to Josh. I am speaking as a collective).
When you break down this business and who actually even OWNS copyright in licenses, content they produce, license, sell it. There are maybe a hundred or two that can actually can speak to it directly (on this board) that are true content producers.
When you add in the different segments OF adult in general, most people do not have a fucking CLUE what they are talking about.
For example I doubt there is one dude who knows as much as ... Robbie and his experience running a huge TGP/network. Or Tony404 and the BBW niche. Or Jim Gunn's almost two decade of experience shooting content, Darby over at Lavish Cash in running a program, polish_aristocrat's domain squatter expertise, or whatever. I doubt there are many in this industry who can speak intelligently on all facets of this adult business. Although reading GFY. You would think EVERYONE owns a tube, and is a legal aid in copyright court cases. Adapt or die b.s...
When you take a step back. It puts that shit back into perspective.Last edited by Barefootsies; 02-14-2009, 10:21 PM.Comment
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Believe what you want to, but not many on this board know much about me, they just think they do because I fuck around on a board called Go Fuck Yourself.
But don't start judging me and what I know based on the fact that you didn't know anything I did in this industry until a week ago.Comment
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That can be said for most on here ginger.
A lot of people make assumptions while trolling threads about what others do (including myself), have done, own, sold, and experience or lack there of. Even under with your old handles exposed, I did not know what all you did until I talked to you. Same as my thread with AlienQ, and I have been around since 2003 on this bitch!!
My point is, unless you know someone personally. I doubt you know how many pies have finger holes in them unless they have admitted to what all they do, or do not.Comment
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Which " illegal " sites? Anyone have a list?[email protected]
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What other producers have sat down with a lawyer, paid for an ungodly number of research hours and got an actual legal opinion on the whole issue?Comment
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These companies which you mention, has one of the worst reputations in the industry right now and as it is a lot of webmasters REFUSE to be a part of any site that sponsors.If, i`m talking about AFF , they are a little bit up than absolute scumbags like zango.But not more
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It is pointless.
Because you see, no doubt you will find one of those same companies advertises here, so by even visiting this site then you would be in the wrong.
That is the funniest part of gfy "boycotts," bitch about tubes, bitch about aff, bitch about whatever.... they advertise right here!
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It is pointless.
Because you see, no doubt you will find one of those same companies advertises here, so by even visiting this site then you would be in the wrong.
That is the funniest part of gfy "boycotts," bitch about tubes, bitch about aff, bitch about whatever.... they advertise right here!
Now post away!
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Theres alot of people who started young. I started out in the E/N shit and had porn mixed in, but really didn't SELL porn, until I met a guy named Joe (com3designs.com) and he told me I could actually make money off it, so I did, GammaCash was my first account.Comment
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Until the dmca laws change, stolen content will exist in mass. Just the way it is. It appears that most stolen content sites WILL take your shit down if you notify them so we've got that going for us. Unfortunately, it takes a lot of time to locate your own shit so hire RemoveYourContent and just chock the $200/month up to the cost of doing business. They do a great job.
I believe that stolen content tubes and torrents will go away eventually but it will take time. It appears the big boys of porn are not going to spend the money to fight these sites and they've decided instead to embrace them. Fine, under the current law, they have that right. However, is it my hope and belief that the mainstream media will lobby for laws that will benefit adult as well. It's just a matter of time.
I believe the programs who advertise on stolen content sites are shooting themselves in the foot. They just don't realize it yet. For that reason, I'm glad they advertise on these sites. It is my belief that this will mean more business for me in the long-term. Why? Because affiliates are dropping sites that allow tubes and torrents to freely give away their content. Their ratios start hitting 1:2000 and they go looking for different sponsors. So, they pick up programs like mine. Which is nice. :-)
It is my educated belief that, once the DMCA laws change, stolen content sites will be gone, for the most part. Yet, I'll still have all the affiliates who used to promote the programs that allowed their material to be given away for free and advertised on stolen content sites. They'll hopefully contine to be happy and never leave me.
Does it suck right this very moment? Yes it does. But, long-term, programs like mine that actively police sites for stolen content and do not advertise on sites with stolen content, are going to continue to poach affiliates and are going to become stronger and stronger.
I equate the programs that allow tubes to display their content in full length videos and/or advertise on these sites, to people who smoke cigarettes. They know it's going to kill them they just don't know when so it provides pleasure to them NOW, so they'll continue to do it. And that's just fine in my book. All I have to do is survive until the cancer hits. :-)
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how many times has a thread been posted in which a customer bitched about the site being streaming only. That a complaint about taking away someones timeshifting right.
the fact that they don't explictly spell out that it because, court already ruled "i am selling you access, not the content, you only have access when i say you do" doesn't make the expression any less valid.
so setup a private tracker and shut me up. Even if you personally believe that it is not a legitimate beef but simply and excuse to justify "stealing from you" , setting up a private tracker will solve the problem by eliminating the fair use "excuse" and allowing you to come down hard on the "theives".That's because he is not actually in this business, or industry. He just gets his rocks off posting his troll remarks and stirring up shit. How many other threads, business or bullshit, on this board can you honestly remember seeing him in? I mean really?
None.
Other than these copyright/tracker/torrent/DMCA types of things where he is the only one with the same ole shtick about it is legal, or and on and on. He's like a dog with a bone trying to get people all worked up.
He serves no other purpose.
Whining and putting up a little
icon is just being a crybaby about the issue.
or the affiliate network will collapse, end up being replaced with process monitezation and you will be best buggy whip salesman in the auto industry.Until the dmca laws change, stolen content will exist in mass. Just the way it is. It appears that most stolen content sites WILL take your shit down if you notify them so we've got that going for us. Unfortunately, it takes a lot of time to locate your own shit so hire RemoveYourContent and just chock the $200/month up to the cost of doing business. They do a great job.
I believe that stolen content tubes and torrents will go away eventually but it will take time. It appears the big boys of porn are not going to spend the money to fight these sites and they've decided instead to embrace them. Fine, under the current law, they have that right. However, is it my hope and belief that the mainstream media will lobby for laws that will benefit adult as well. It's just a matter of time.
I believe the programs who advertise on stolen content sites are shooting themselves in the foot. They just don't realize it yet. For that reason, I'm glad they advertise on these sites. It is my belief that this will mean more business for me in the long-term. Why? Because affiliates are dropping sites that allow tubes and torrents to freely give away their content. Their ratios start hitting 1:2000 and they go looking for different sponsors. So, they pick up programs like mine. Which is nice. :-)
It is my educated belief that, once the DMCA laws change, stolen content sites will be gone, for the most part. Yet, I'll still have all the affiliates who used to promote the programs that allowed their material to be given away for free and advertised on stolen content sites. They'll hopefully contine to be happy and never leave me.
Does it suck right this very moment? Yes it does. But, long-term, programs like mine that actively police sites for stolen content and do not advertise on sites with stolen content, are going to continue to poach affiliates and are going to become stronger and stronger.
I equate the programs that allow tubes to display their content in full length videos and/or advertise on these sites, to people who smoke cigarettes. They know it's going to kill them they just don't know when so it provides pleasure to them NOW, so they'll continue to do it. And that's just fine in my book. All I have to do is survive until the cancer hits. :-)
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I suppose anything is possible but a sponsor can only get out so many links on their own. I just can't see a sponsor surviving without the support of affiliates. Again, just my two cents. I could be wrong.
or the affiliate network will collapse, end up being replaced with process monitezation and you will be best buggy whip salesman in the auto industry.
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