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  • Donny
    As you wish...
    • May 2002
    • 13754
    #51
    Originally posted by MetaMan
    word to idiots out there who also think like this:

    did you choose what shirt you wore today?
    then choose your own beliefs, you do not have to fit into a certain religion.
    My God, you really are ignorant, aren't ya? Why don't you take a few minutes to use that noodle between your ears before posting. CD Smith mentioned standing before God in judgement. Christianity teaches that line of crap. It also says those who don't pass God's judgement will go to hell. So if CD Smith believes in the (one of many) version of "God" that requires people to stand in judgement before him, he also believes in hell. And that is exactly where he would end up as well if his version of "truth" is correct.

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      • Donny
        As you wish...
        • May 2002
        • 13754
        #52
        Originally posted by Tempest
        You need to look to other religions, not the long term ones who's preachings are "questionable" due to their history...

        And as a side note... The bible is clear about "why" god allows this to happen... but... the question then becomes is god really as benevolant as everyone claims he is. You yourself raised that issue in one of your posts.
        If the Bible is so clear on why it happens, why can't you tell us? I'll answer that for you... because you don't know. You're throwing out something you can't back up.

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          • CDSmith
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • May 2001
            • 51460
            #53
            Originally posted by Vasago Reno
            No you haven't. You've shared your personal belief that you think man owes his free will as a gift from god.

            Myself, I think our free will was born from the primordial ooze and naturally developed over millions of years of evolution.
            Where did I say that that was my personal belief? That's how it's written according to the bible.

            You seem to be reading text into my posts that I did not type. I'm not sure why people do that, but oh well.

            I was merely explaining the point in rebuttal to your perspective as it applies to this argument. Nothing more.

            Did you not ever watch Donahue? Was he not the master of playing "devil's advocate"? :D
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              • MetaMan
                I AM WEB 2.0
                • Jan 2003
                • 28682
                #54
                Originally posted by Vasago Reno
                Why do you feel the need to toss out personal insults here? Are you incapable of making a civil, rational and constructive debate? Usually insults are the last resort of someone in over their head in a discussion.
                ok i agree with you, i will keep the insults outs.

                i apologize to Donny, i am trying to keep the insults out in v.4.3
                Last edited by MetaMan; 08-30-2006, 08:26 PM.

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                  • Vasago Reno
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 483
                    #55
                    Originally posted by Tempest
                    What's your point??? It all comes down to a matter of faith.. If you "believe", then you believe that man wrote it under the divine "guidance" of god and thus is "accurate". If you don't believe then there's no need having any religious discussions.
                    Unfortunately, things in this world aren't as black & white as that. Just because I don't believe in the existence of a higher power doesn't mean it doesn't merit discussion. There are many things I don't believe in...but that doesn't cause me to turn a blind eye to it all.

                    Contrary to the bumper sticker - ignorance is not bliss.

                    Religion is a VERY timely discussion these days, especially in an adult industry that is constantly under fire from the religious zealots. Not to say that you are one of those, of course.

                    But history has shown us time and time again what happens when we allow religion to govern our actions and dictate our responses.

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                      • Tempest
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • May 2004
                        • 10217
                        #56
                        Originally posted by Donny
                        If the Bible is so clear on why it happens, why can't you tell us? I'll answer that for you... because you don't know. You're throwing out something you can't back up.
                        I won't bother backing it up because it matters not what I say on here, the arguments and crap will just continue... You have to read the bible and study it outside the constraints of what the standard religions "teach" you. I've read the bible cover to cover twice as well as plenty of "studying" prior to my early 20s at which point I lost my "faith" and have kept away from any organized religion of any sort. I actually used to be a minister. That was almost 20 years ago.

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                          • Vasago Reno
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 483
                            #57
                            Originally posted by MetaMan
                            ok i agree with you, i will keep the insults outs.

                            i apologize to Donny, i am trying to keep the insults out in v.4.3

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                              • MetaMan
                                I AM WEB 2.0
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 28682
                                #58
                                Originally posted by Vasago Reno
                                Religion is a VERY timely discussion these days, especially in an adult industry that is constantly under fire from the religious zealots. Not to say that you are one of those, of course.
                                this is the main problem about religion these days, it has turned alot of people off because of all the quirks that are in power.

                                this is why i try to have my own secular beliefs to anyone, and i am always open to disscussion and understanding of why or why not people have beliefs.

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                                  • Tempest
                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                    • May 2004
                                    • 10217
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by Vasago Reno
                                    But history has shown us time and time again what happens when we allow religion to govern our actions and dictate our responses.
                                    Yes.. organized religion as run by flawed men who allow power to corrupt them to the point where they use religion as a tool to fuel their corruption.

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                                      • s2kcord
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Mar 2006
                                        • 581
                                        #60
                                        Well we all know who is going to hell.

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                                          • Vasago Reno
                                            So Fucking Banned
                                            • Mar 2006
                                            • 483
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by CDSmith
                                            Where did I say that that was my personal belief? That's how it's written according to the bible. You seem to be reading text into my posts that I did not type. I'm not sure why people do that, but oh well.
                                            And I quote:

                                            Originally posted by CDSmith
                                            Like the Metaman dude just finished telling you.... God gave us free will.
                                            Nowhere did you say, "God gave us free will...according to the bible."

                                            You seem to be adding text into your subsequent posts that wasn't typed the first time.

                                            And then denegrating my reading and comprehension skills.

                                            I'm not sure why people do that, but oh well.

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                                              • CDSmith
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • May 2001
                                                • 51460
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by Donny
                                                They'll be right there beside you in hell, CD Smith, if the Bible tells the truth. You see, people put levels on sin. The Bible says God can't look on sin at all. Pornographers and child murders will share equally in the "weeping and wailing and knashing of teeth". So, if the Bible is true you'll have a first hand view of what happens to them from about a foot away in hell's fires.
                                                1. You seem to have assumed that i am a pornographer. I provide links to it, I've never produced it. But no matter, because with respect to the subject of "God" I really don't think he would be as uptight as mere people make him out to be.

                                                2. Even if I was on here shouting to the universe that I am an uber-Christian (or power-Muslim, or Jet-fueled Jew) I would no more presume to say who I think is going to hell and who isn't than I would take a hack saw to my arm. I mean serioiusly, believer or not, who the fuck am I (or you) to decide "who's gonna burn" and who isn't?

                                                One thing I do believe is that true people of faith know that it isn't up to them. And a lot of those examples and passages in the bible do refer to pre-medieval times when there was a bit more savagery in the world, I wouldn't be looking to take those words literally and apply them to present day. But the precepts that are in their as far as human decency goes, treating people with respect, acting civilized and not killing one another or disrespecting each other like idiots, well, it's all in there (same precepts in the books of other religions too, for argument's sake) and they are all just as applicable today as they were 2,000 years ago.


                                                Donny, I respect your right and your choice to believe the way you want to. All I've ever asked is that people do the same for others, as in live and let live.
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                                                  • Vasago Reno
                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                    • Mar 2006
                                                    • 483
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by s2kcord
                                                    Well we all know who is going to hell.
                                                    We all float down here.

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                                                      • CDSmith
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • May 2001
                                                        • 51460
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by Vasago Reno
                                                        And I quote:



                                                        Nowhere did you say, "God gave us free will...according to the bible."

                                                        You seem to be adding text into your subsequent posts that wasn't typed the first time.

                                                        And then denegrating my reading and comprehension skills.

                                                        I'm not sure why people do that, but oh well.
                                                        Yes, I said "God gave us free will"... because that's what Metaman posted before that, and that is what the deal in the bible is. Nowhere in there do you see the words "This is what I believe"

                                                        ...so maybe your reading and comprehension skills do need some light retooling? Hey, couldn't hurt for any of us to work on that. :D
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                                                          • MetaMan
                                                            I AM WEB 2.0
                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                            • 28682
                                                            #65
                                                            fuck my dad has a pic of my longtime ex and me together in his house, i just politely tipped it facing downwards.

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                                                              • Vasago Reno
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • Mar 2006
                                                                • 483
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                Donny, I respect your right and your choice to believe the way you want to. All I've ever asked is that people do the same for others, as in live and let live.
                                                                I quite agree with your statement about respecting the choices people make concerning belief or non-belief, and the 'live and let live' credo.

                                                                Unfortunately, that's not the way the world works these days. You can't blame non-believers for defending themselves when we're constantly under fire from god's followers in both our personal and professional lives.

                                                                Again, this isn't pointing fingers at you personally, of course. But religion is symptomatic of the current state we're in when it comes to the adult industry we orbit around.

                                                                But all this is digressing from the original intent of Donny's initial post, me thinks.

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                                                                  • CDSmith
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                    • 51460
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by s2kcord
                                                                    Well we all know who is going to hell.
                                                                    Not really. I think I'd leave the judging on that to whomever is in charge.

                                                                    (hint: I doubt he <or she> posts on GFY) :D
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                                                                      • Tempest
                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                        • May 2004
                                                                        • 10217
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by Vasago Reno
                                                                        Unfortunately, that's not the way the world works these days. You can't blame non-believers for defending themselves when we're constantly under fire from god's followers in both our personal and professional lives.

                                                                        Again, this isn't pointing fingers at you personally, of course. But religion is symptomatic of the current state we're in when it comes to the adult industry we orbit around.
                                                                        The world has never worked as "live and let live".. There has always been one group conquering another no matter what religion or belief system. "Not" believing wouldn't make it any different, there would be just as many non-believers trying to foist their ideas off on others. At it's core, mankind wants to dominate and "rule".. and that's the crux of the matter... man is not capable of ruling benevolently.

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                                                                          • Vasago Reno
                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                            • Mar 2006
                                                                            • 483
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                            Not really. I think I'd leave the judging on that to whomever is in charge.

                                                                            (hint: I doubt he <or she> posts on GFY) :D
                                                                            Despite the number of folks around here suffering from illusions of godliness.


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                                                                              • CDSmith
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                • 51460
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by Vasago Reno
                                                                                I quite agree with your statement about respecting the choices people make concerning belief or non-belief, and the 'live and let live' credo.

                                                                                Unfortunately, that's not the way the world works these days. You can't blame non-believers for defending themselves when we're constantly under fire from god's followers in both our personal and professional lives.

                                                                                Again, this isn't pointing fingers at you personally, of course. But religion is symptomatic of the current state we're in when it comes to the adult industry we orbit around.

                                                                                But all this is digressing from the original intent of Donny's initial post, me thinks.
                                                                                Flow of conversation.

                                                                                Spend some more time around here and you'll see that most of the shitstorm is flying from the opposite direction. There are far FAR more threads here where the athiests are slagging those who believe than there are bible thumpers preaching down to the athiests. But there are fundamentalists on both sides, yes, and frankly they all drive me crazy.

                                                                                I have respect for those who quietly believe what they will but who don't feel the need to cock off at all those who don't think the same way they do.

                                                                                Cheers.
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                                                                                  • Vasago Reno
                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                    • Mar 2006
                                                                                    • 483
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                    The world has never worked as "live and let live".. There has always been one group conquering another no matter what religion or belief system. "Not" believing wouldn't make it any different, there would be just as many non-believers trying to foist their ideas off on others. At it's core, mankind wants to dominate and "rule".. and that's the crux of the matter... man is not capable of ruling benevolently.
                                                                                    Well said...interesting and thought-provoking.

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                                                                                      • E$_manager
                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                        • Apr 2006
                                                                                        • 13557
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        I feel terrible. Can someone tell me how did they know about it. I am hard at English.
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                                                                                          • s2kcord
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Mar 2006
                                                                                            • 581
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                            Not really. I think I'd leave the judging on that to whomever is in charge.

                                                                                            (hint: I doubt he <or she> posts on GFY) :D

                                                                                            Well if you don't beleave in god then I beleave you are going to hell. I am not judging anybody thats fact to me.

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                                                                                              • Vasago Reno
                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                • Mar 2006
                                                                                                • 483
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                Flow of conversation.

                                                                                                Spend some more time around here and you'll see that most of the shitstorm is flying from the opposite direction. There are far FAR more threads here where the athiests are slagging those who believe than there are bible thumpers preaching down to the athiests. But there are fundamentalists on both sides, yes, and frankly they all drive me crazy.

                                                                                                I have respect for those who quietly believe what they will but who don't feel the need to cock off at all those who don't think the same way they do.

                                                                                                Cheers.
                                                                                                CD, I see what you're saying - and heartily agree there is more spouting off by atheists here on GFY than in the opposite direction.

                                                                                                However, my point wasn't just about GFY - but the industry as a whole, from political fundamentalists in the White House (and now PM Harper here in Canada), to the pressure they put on credit card companies and financial institutions to put the squeeze on our ability to transact.

                                                                                                We have religious groups attempting to lump all adult producers in with child molesters and rapists in their twisted propaganda efforts to shut us down.

                                                                                                We have draconian laws still on the books (based on archaic religious edicts and principles) that dictate what parts of the human body can and can't be displayed in public.

                                                                                                I'd go on...but fuck, its 1am and tomorrah's a workday...

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                                                                                                  • CDSmith
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                                    • 51460
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by s2kcord
                                                                                                    Well if you don't beleave in god then I beleave you are going to hell. I am not judging anybody thats fact to me.
                                                                                                    As someone who believes in God I simply wouldn't presume to even make that call. As in, I wouldn't feel the need to pre-decide someone's fate (and write them off), unless of course they are a Jeffrey Dahmer or something, but even then it's really not up to me.

                                                                                                    That's what those really snooty annoying Christians and religious types do. Fact is there may very well be a hell and that person you're pointing at may very well be headed there, but how is it my place to make that call? It isn't.
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                                                                                                      • Tempest
                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                        • May 2004
                                                                                                        • 10217
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by s2kcord
                                                                                                        Well if you don't beleave in god then I beleave you are going to hell. I am not judging anybody thats fact to me.
                                                                                                        That's humorous because if you truly believed in god you would have capitalized it.. you also would not have made such a statement as "man" cannot presume to know the mind of god and thus cannot make such statements as to who will and will not go to "hell"...

                                                                                                        It's also important to note that not all christian religions believe in a hell.

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                                                                                                          • CDSmith
                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                                                            • 51460
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by Vasago Reno
                                                                                                            However, my point wasn't just about GFY - but the industry as a whole, from political fundamentalists in the White House (and now PM Harper here in Canada), to the pressure they put on credit card companies and financial institutions to put the squeeze on our ability to transact.

                                                                                                            We have religious groups attempting to lump all adult producers in with child molesters and rapists in their twisted propaganda efforts to shut us down.

                                                                                                            We have draconian laws still on the books (based on archaic religious edicts and principles) that dictate what parts of the human body can and can't be displayed in public.
                                                                                                            Agreed in full, but I'll extend it one point further...

                                                                                                            There ARE those here that, although ARE in the adult industry in one capacity or another, still maintain a spiritual belief in one form or another. Then there are those who absolutely do not believe in any type of God whatsoever.

                                                                                                            To put it bluntly, I doubt it is in our adult community's best interest to have one side squabbling like idiots with the other when the real enemy is the extremists out there, and the religiously-motivated pro-censorship crowd.

                                                                                                            I'm sure these people drool with delight and wring their hands every time a thread is posted where our side is devided against itself.

                                                                                                            That's pretty much one of the main reasons I get on these threads and push the "Why not shut up and be happy" school of thought. :D
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                                                                                                              • s2kcord
                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                • Mar 2006
                                                                                                                • 581
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                As someone who believes in God I simply wouldn't presume to even make that call. As in, I wouldn't feel the need to pre-decide someone's fate (and write them off), unless of course they are a Jeffrey Dahmer or something, but even then it's really not up to me.

                                                                                                                That's what those really snooty annoying Christians and religious types do. Fact is there may very well be a hell and that person you're pointing at may very well be headed there, but how is it my place to make that call? It isn't.
                                                                                                                It's just what I believe I am not makeing that call.

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