Can someone explain to me how tax cuts "create jobs"?

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  • tony299
    lurker
    • Aug 2002
    • 57021

    #61
    Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
    So Snake, since you think the government would be better with your money how much EXTRA are you going to give them? 20, 30, 40% more? I mean your man Obama knows how to spend your money better than you do! Why not give 60% more to the government to show that you really believe what you say.
    oh stop just stop

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    • Snake Doctor
      I'm Lenny2 Bitch
      • Mar 2001
      • 13449

      #62
      Originally posted by JP-pornshooter
      so if it is encouraging investors to sell, it will also encourage other investors to buy those assets, this is if i am not mistaken investment101 or alphaomega type stuff.
      same if all of a sudden there was no tax on stock gains, it would entice investors to invest in stocks so that they would capitalize on those opportunities..
      You are obviously very confused. You can't do something that encourages people to both buy and sell, as they are diametrically opposed. If it's a good time to do one, then by definition, it's a bad time to do the other.
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      • IllTestYourGirls
        Ah My Balls
        • Feb 2007
        • 14311

        #63
        Originally posted by tony404
        oh stop just stop
        Democrats new motto "What is mine is mine, what is your is mine". You all want others to pay the higher taxes you dont want to do it yourselves. Just be honest, you dont want higher taxes you want other people to do all the work.

        I dont want anyone to pay higher taxes. I want people to keep what they make. I have faith in people not the government. America would be a lot better if we all had more faith in ourselves and not look to the government to do all the lifting.

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        • tony299
          lurker
          • Aug 2002
          • 57021

          #64
          Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
          Democrats new motto "What is mine is mine, what is your is mine". You all want others to pay the higher taxes you dont want to do it yourselves. Just be honest, you dont want higher taxes you want other people to do all the work.

          I dont want anyone to pay higher taxes. I want people to keep what they make. I have faith in people not the government. America would be a lot better if we all had more faith in ourselves and not look to the government to do all the lifting.
          read the link I posted a few posts up. The largest tax increase during peacetime was during St Reagan.you want to fight wars , kill terrorists it costs money. if they let it all fail you are in a world of shit but your taxes arent increased.
          Last edited by tony286; 02-05-2009, 02:24 PM.

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          • GatorB
            The Demon & 12clicks
            • Oct 2001
            • 18208

            #65
            Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
            So Snake, since you think the government would be better with your money how much EXTRA are you going to give them? 20, 30, 40% more? I mean your man Obama knows how to spend your money better than you do! Why not give 60% more to the government to show that you really believe what you say.
            Your logic would make a better point if most Americans didn't carry a shitload of debt, weren't in bankruptcy and having their houses foreclosed and and have the worst saving rates in the world. So to be honest no I do not trust most Americans to know what to do with their own money.

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            • IllTestYourGirls
              Ah My Balls
              • Feb 2007
              • 14311

              #66
              Originally posted by tony404
              read the link I posted a few posts up. The largest tax increase during peacetime was during St Reagan.you want to fight wars , kill terrorists it costs money. if they let it all fail you are in a world of shit but your taxes arent increased.
              Why do you keep thinking I love Regan and McCain?
              Why do you think I want the war on terror like Obama does?

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              • woj
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                • Jul 2002
                • 47882

                #67
                Tax cut = more $$ floating around...

                That money is then spent or invested somewhere.. seems pretty obvious?


                Then your investment argument, you invest with intention of selling it one day, you don't just do it for fun... When tax rate is low obviously investments become more appealing...
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                • IllTestYourGirls
                  Ah My Balls
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 14311

                  #68
                  Originally posted by GatorB
                  Your logic would make a better point if most Americans didn't carry a shitload of debt, weren't in bankruptcy and having their houses foreclosed and and have the worst saving rates in the world. So to be honest no I do not trust most Americans to know what to do with their own money.
                  Most Americans arent.

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                  • pocketkangaroo
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jan 2005
                    • 8452

                    #69
                    Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                    Democrats new motto "What is mine is mine, what is your is mine". You all want others to pay the higher taxes you dont want to do it yourselves. Just be honest, you dont want higher taxes you want other people to do all the work.

                    I dont want anyone to pay higher taxes. I want people to keep what they make. I have faith in people not the government. America would be a lot better if we all had more faith in ourselves and not look to the government to do all the lifting.
                    The wealthy voted in favor of Obama, so I wouldn't exactly say that they want everyone else paying their taxes.

                    I don't think anyone wants to pay more in taxes. But we've decided as a society that we want our government to do things for us (roads, schools, etc). The money has to come from somewhere. We can tax the poor and middle class heavier and make things equal, but we know that would cause heavy financial burden for them. They are my customers, so I prefer that they have money to buy what I'm selling.

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                    • IllTestYourGirls
                      Ah My Balls
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 14311

                      #70
                      Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
                      The wealthy voted in favor of Obama, so I wouldn't exactly say that they want everyone else paying their taxes.

                      I don't think anyone wants to pay more in taxes. But we've decided as a society that we want our government to do things for us (roads, schools, etc). The money has to come from somewhere. We can tax the poor and middle class heavier and make things equal, but we know that would cause heavy financial burden for them. They are my customers, so I prefer that they have money to buy what I'm selling.
                      Where is the money for the spending bill coming from?

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                      • OG LennyT
                        Wall Street Pimp
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 14345

                        #71
                        Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                        I guess I should have counted on the hit and run people trying to get their post counts up without having to actually engage in thoughtful conversation, and titled the thread accordingly.
                        Your thread read
                        Can someone explain to me how tax cuts "create jobs"?
                        I admit I didn't read your initial post because I know your posts usually consist of blah blah blah.. look at how smart I am... blah blah.. big words thrown in for extra arrogance.. blah blah

                        So yeah, I just responded to the title. Guilty as charged
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                        • pocketkangaroo
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jan 2005
                          • 8452

                          #72
                          Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                          Where is the money for the spending bill coming from?
                          The majority of tax revenues come from the rich. The plan is for that money to be used for projects that will create jobs. Putting people back to work will add more consumers to the economy who can buy products and services from the rich. This in turn will also increase investments that are held by the rich.

                          The idea that the stimulus is only for the poor is misconceived. The rich are hurt a lot during recessions.

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                          • Ethersync
                            Confirmed User
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 5289

                            #73
                            Originally posted by dial
                            obama needs too start fining USA companies that have all their production outside of the USA, the fines alone from that will bring in tons of money back to us, and if the fines are high enough it will bring jobs back
                            That would be viewed globally as a "beggar thy neighbor" type of policy move which would guarantee an ever "Greater" depression...

                            It would also violate international trade agreements.

                            It is impossible unless you want to go back to the bronze age.
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                            • Snake Doctor
                              I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                              • Mar 2001
                              • 13449

                              #74
                              Originally posted by tony404
                              oh stop just stop
                              I have that testyourgirls idiot on ignore, PLEASE stop quoting him.

                              Originally posted by OG LennyT
                              Your thread read

                              I admit I didn't read your initial post because I know your posts usually consist of blah blah blah.. look at how smart I am... blah blah.. big words thrown in for extra arrogance.. blah blah

                              So yeah, I just responded to the title. Guilty as charged
                              Gee, sorry for having a vocabulary.

                              Yeah I'm not trying to have a discussion or an honest debate or anything, I just sit here with my unabridged dictionary and paste in words with lots of syllables to try and make myself look good.
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                              • Snake Doctor
                                I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                • Mar 2001
                                • 13449

                                #75
                                Originally posted by woj
                                Tax cut = more $$ floating around...

                                That money is then spent or invested somewhere.. seems pretty obvious?


                                Then your investment argument, you invest with intention of selling it one day, you don't just do it for fun... When tax rate is low obviously investments become more appealing...
                                That's just it woj, it does seem to make sense, which is why it makes for great 30 second ads and bumper stickers, until you scratch below the surface.

                                Then you ask questions like "how is government spending the money less stimulative than consumers spending the money"?
                                I'm not saying government should take all of our money and spend it, I'm just pointing out that calling government spending "waste" and calling tax cuts "stimulative" is ridiculous. At least if government spends the money with the intention of stimulating the economy, they can target the funds towards that and be more effective than a consumer who may just pay down credit card debt or buy goods at Wal-mart that were made in China.

                                As for investments, you pay the tax when you sell the investment, not when you buy it, so a low rate today doesn't make buying a stock or bond or business more attractive, it makes selling one of those things more attractive.
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