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It seems you don´t know much about EU competition laws as well. Such a comment done at a public board - even if the accusation was true - would cause legal problems for the poster. -
The full complaint is interesting - Good luck to NR.
I assume the onus is going to be on them to prove they where not shaving? - I hope people are big enough to apoligize if it shows that they did nothing wrong.....Comment
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I just read the entire complaint.. NR's legal team presents a very strong & factual case against TMM.
IMO, TMM is fucked.. good fucking riddance.Comment
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I did too & I agree... seems like a good case against TMM to me.Originally posted by spacedogComment
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isn't perjury illegal though?Originally posted by spacedogComment
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perjury? that's when someone lies or makes false statements in court or on affidavit.. who commited perjury.. NR certainly didn't.. I read many such posts & incidents exactly like what they stated in the complaint & yes, nats staff is ALWAYS covering up anything to do with their software.. You can not find a single thread on any board on the net where someone claims somethings wrong with nats that won't have a nats rep doing damage control denying everything,,Originally posted by JaceComment
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Remember when Panchodog, HoDough, Braincash & Wildcash, all nats users.. they all had issues the same day & there were posts on this board about nats this & that & john & his reps were vehemently denying 100% that it was anything to do with their software.. I am going to find those threads & email them to NR's legal team.Comment
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so it is not illegal to lie on a complaint like this one?Originally posted by spacedogComment
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I think SpaceDog is asking where the lie is......?Originally posted by JaceComment
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Originally posted by x582
I have a good friend that has a chain of retail tire service centers, he only looks at total sales and his bank balance. I on the other hand tended to micro-manage my business.
Maybe Naked Rhino was content with total sales and their cash on hand , ignorance is bliss.Comment
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Damn, this isnt any good...
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Originally posted by crockett
no... i am not saying that. i didn't say anything like that at all.
what i was addressing was mostly one persons mindless defense of a decision and dwelling on whether or not webmasters are owed money - not realizing that its 100% irrelevant. i was saying that its not the place of NATS to make any public announcements of this type at all. they did so knowing full well the damage it can cause to a business. NO ATTORNEY THAT IS SOBER AND HAS AN IQ OVER 30 would recommend making a public thread basically suggesting they are thieves and announcing they are terminating their ralationship with them knowing full well that the obvious assumption/implication is that they are stealing from webmasters. It can easily be argued that the intent was to harm their business. John can't argue in court "oh, i didn't know anyone would read it or care. didn't think people would take it seriously" --- that has NOTHING to do with suspending a license. if they wanted to suspend the license and felt they had proper grounds, all they had to do was pull the plug. there is no need for a public bashing thread about it.
suspending the license and terminating a relationship in a proper way is one thing. coming to a public forum in front of all would-be business partners and basically saying "hey, these guys are stealing from you" is not the same as "terminating the license."
there is no rational and solid argument for that behavior regardless of what the Xclusive cash did... regardless of whether or not affiliates might be owed money etc. they are all totally seperate issues in the eyes of the court.Last edited by Pleasurepays; 08-25-2006, 04:45 PM.Comment
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Obviously Al Zacarian is not legal Consul for EpicTrash.Originally posted by From The AVN Article
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no,, that's the attorneys summary to the judge & clerk of courts.Originally posted by Jace
The judge will read that & determine, based on facts presented if the court will hear the case or not.. TMM, their attorneys have to answer to that complaint & in turn will prepare their defense statement.Comment
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i think that will have to come out with time, but trust me, it willOriginally posted by damian2001Comment
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Its a brave move by NR to make this complaint if they where actually cheating - I doubt they expect TMM to settle.Originally posted by JaceComment
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TMM is fucking stupid if they don't..Originally posted by damian2001
I've only been away from the law firm a few months now, but the system is still the same.. TMM is fucked.. trust me on that,, I know legalese & jargon very wellComment
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remeber the whole pib cash thing? And the exposing of the mpa2 shave module? What's the first thing everyone was screaming for. A company that would stand behind their no shave policy and have the balls to enforce it. And guess what. A company did come along called too much media and they stood behind their no shave policy. Its funny how soon all you forget how bad you were ALL Fucked by MPA, and how everyone was screaming its time for an honest company to take the stage. Funny how when you get what you all wanted you all moan like little bitches.
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What I find funny is no one looks at this in reverse...Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
If NATS would have suspended the license and not posted what he did...Xclusive Cash would have came on GFY saying NATS locked them out of the admin and made a big scene...Am I right or am I wrong?
They could have blamed everything on NATS that all the stats were wrong due to them suspending the license and blah blah blah...
Correct me where I am wrong...Comment
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lol - but nobody has seen anything that shows that NR has shaved anyone!Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
NATS has a problem with its software - NR handled a telecon with TMM badly - they are the only 2 facts that anyone here has proven.
Some are saying that more will come out that shows NR shaved - when that happens all well and good, then we can all jump and down and say how great NATS is. All that has happened so far is they have made a claim and havnt backed it up with anything.
You dont crucify someone and then say you havnt got any proof - but I think we will later. You wait till you have proof and THEN fuck them over.
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So that is what this is all aboutComment
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This place is a fuckin snake pit. A bunch of pussies swaying to and frow accoeding to the weather.Comment
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Just curious...what proof could NATS legally post?Originally posted by damian2001lol - but nobody has seen anything that shows that NR has shaved anyone!
NATS has a problem with its software - NR handled a telecon with TMM badly - they are the only 2 facts that anyone here has proven.
Some are saying that more will come out that shows NR shaved - when that happens all well and good, then we can all jump and down and say how great NATS is. All that has happened so far is they have made a claim and havnt backed it up with anything.
You dont crucify someone and then say you havnt got any proof - but I think we will later. You wait till you have proof and THEN fuck them over.Comment
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Why, if they had proof would it be illegal to show it?Originally posted by Adult Warden
If you assume they cant because it is confidential and NR would be able to sue - then that ship sailed when they accused them of shaving....Last edited by Damian_Maxcash; 08-25-2006, 09:41 PM.Comment
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Bingo. I posted that exact sentiment a couple weeks back when this first started happening.Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
Conclusion: people will complain regardless of the outcome. Fucked if you do, fucked if you don't. Frankly, this whole situation could have been resolved with one phone call. ONE PHONE CALL. It really makes me wonder what kind of company chooses the legal route instead of the diplomatic route in spite of their affiliates, the ones who bring in the bacon.Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted
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Posting confidential CCBill Data or Nats backend stats is much different then what John did...John simply alerted everyone of the issue...As if not it would have backfired on them...Is my take on all this...Originally posted by damian2001Comment
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Yes. If John didn't post anything at all and XYZ Sponsor did in fact shave, this whole situation would be the complete opposite. Hilarious really. Unfortunate, but hilarious.Originally posted by Adult WardenVacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted
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We can go around in circles like this all day and night.Originally posted by Sly
In the end it boils down to that I wont be promoting anyone using NATS because John can and will bring a program to its knees just because he feels they may be cheating.
This ONE guy has his finger on the button and can bring down a large chunk of the adult industry at will, and dosnt have to answer to anyone or even show proof (according to most of the posts here).
That dosnt leave me feeling very comfortable, and Im amazed that some of the companies using NATS are prepared to put their companies in the hands of this one guy.Comment
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Well, I stand by my original statement, the attorneys are going to make a small fortune..Comment
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However entitled to it, i feel your opinion is a little extreme.Originally posted by damian2001We can go around in circles like this all day and night.
In the end it boils down to that I wont be promoting anyone using NATS because John can and will bring a program to its knees just because he feels they may be cheating.
This ONE guy has his finger on the button and can bring down a large chunk of the adult industry at will, and dosnt have to answer to anyone or even show proof (according to most of the posts here).
That dosnt leave me feeling very comfortable, and Im amazed that some of the companies using NATS are prepared to put their companies in the hands of this one guy.
what would not using nats programs do? you would still get paid regardless.
Every system needs checks and balances.
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I am sitting here, reading some of the arguements, Some of you are really getting into this thing, like its you who owned nats or that other site. Why is there so much emotion over something you do not own or involved in?
Don't say money.. that you were shaved and lost money .. you dont know that as fact, also, you are not alone. How much money could you have possibly lost? Website owners have been losing money for a very long time, if it was not DMR, then it was Ibill, if not Ibill then it was worldcom filed bankruptcy and did not pay out for web900 calls, if not that then chargebacks.. Its always something....some of us have lost money well into the thousands of dollars in all of the above. It happens, write it off as a loss and move on, thats if you actually lost anything.
Now a word on shaving, its going to happen, the reason is simple. Websites see one place offering xxx amount and so the next guy does it, but by offering such high payouts, which cuts very deep into the pockets of the website owner, he/she has to do something, so he/she quietly shaves off a signup here and there... If you want to have piece of mind and stop worrying about shaving, then go with a program that has a more realistic payout, one that you can say to your self... hey that makes sense... When you get greedy and get blinded by the lies and hype, thats when you end up getting screwed.
Do all programs shave.. no .. I believe most do not, but thats just my opinion. Do I think TMM or the other site is wrong... no, I dont think about it, it has nothing to do with me, I do not know the facts, I am not going to pretend I do like everyone else in this thread. Each did what they thought was right at the time with the information they had at the time. Give the guys on both sides the benefit of the doubt untill its resolved...Muscle/Fitness Adult Affiliate Program
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CCBill, Paycom, and Visa can and have shut down sites/programs with the "touch of a button". I think you're overreacting and getting upset because its new and exciting drama. You won't push NATS based programs just like many wouldn't push MPA3 based programs several years ago. Thats perfectly fine, its your traffic and money, do whatever you feel comfortable with.Originally posted by damian2001We can go around in circles like this all day and night.
In the end it boils down to that I wont be promoting anyone using NATS because John can and will bring a program to its knees just because he feels they may be cheating.
This ONE guy has his finger on the button and can bring down a large chunk of the adult industry at will, and dosnt have to answer to anyone or even show proof (according to most of the posts here).
That dosnt leave me feeling very comfortable, and Im amazed that some of the companies using NATS are prepared to put their companies in the hands of this one guy.
I have no problem sending my traffic to NATS programs. I trust John and I believe in his overall "mission", if you will.Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted
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I shouldnt have pointed fingers at mpa as a whole. i was short sighted in my reply. As with nats, mpa3 doesnt have a shave feature. I shouldnt have lumped their new product in with their old. for that, i retract the mpa remarks.Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
However, what i remain steadfast in is the spirt of which my remarks were made. Nats came about because it did not have a shave module. Affiliates wanted affiliate programs who didnt have a shave module. They got one, and when they had a company that stood behind it (which is the reason nats grew so big was because it was built upon a foundation of trust), people are now mad at them for sticking to the very princpal of why so many people use them in the first place!! Do you want a software that protects affiliates? or do you just want things to revert to how they were in the old days. If there is someone living on my block who has an affinity for young children, i want to know who and where he lives. If im sending traffic and im being robbed I want to know by who and how much!
Bottom line...
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I was just sitting here and wondering about the whole "check and balance" against "shaving" that Im reading about in other post here concerning TMM and NATS and affiliates yada yada yada... SO, since Nat's shut down the system that allows payouts, wouldn't they now be responsable for the damages caused to the affilaites not being paid due to thier actions? Sure the affiliates signed up with the actual program. BUT TMM's admitted action, of shutting down that programs administration to the system, is the current and direct reason that the affiliates (who are now not getting thier checks) are not being paid...Http://www.extremehole.com
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I wonder the legalities behind that as well.Originally posted by Gerco
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I am guessing TMM wouldn't have any issues allowing XC to access payout dumps... but I doubt XC is going to request this in the middle of a lawsuit though, much better for them to hold onto those funds.Originally posted by GercoComment
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I guess that's another part I'm confused about, the payout dumps. Would someone have to actually be able to access the administration to the program to have those dumps created? Or is it all done automatically by the script itself. I never got deep enough into nats to understand how it all works. I know that If I was in a lawsuit over this stuff I would want the data to remain as untouched as posiable to be able to prove any point that had to be made so I'm guessing thats the step they are taking. I'm not trying to drum up anything at all here, just little things that have caught my attention from reading all the posts and caused questions.Originally posted by CrazyALHttp://www.extremehole.com
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Now this is something that you can call real big drama
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