Kobe Bryant is the best basketball player ever Hands Down!

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  • CyberAgeGary
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    • Jul 2004
    • 2869

    #31
    Originally posted by Slammed Network
    Don't be surprised? actually that would be a massive surprise, since he had 20 the last time they played.

    Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. He won't put up 50 against one of the best defensive teams in the league...another fact for you.
    Not sure if your a betting man, but Im willing to put a wager on the game, I say lakers win. You want to do it?
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    • SlammedMedia
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      • Apr 2008
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      #32
      Originally posted by CyberAgeGary
      Not sure if your a betting man, but Im willing to put a wager on the game, I say lakers win. You want to do it?

      What's your ICQ#? I'll bet after watching tonight's game to see how Ilgauskas is playing. He's the reason they lost to the Lakers the other week, because he was injured and LA was too big inside.

      If Ilgauskas is moving better than he did the other night -- I'll bet with you Cleveland wins, they just have too much confidence on their home court and no one can play with them at home.
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      • CyberAgeGary
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        • Jul 2004
        • 2869

        #33
        Originally posted by Slammed Network
        What's your ICQ#? I'll bet after watching tonight's game to see how Ilgauskas is playing. He's the reason they lost to the Lakers the other week, because he was injured and LA was too big inside.

        If Ilgauskas is moving better than he did the other night -- I'll bet with you Cleveland wins, they just have too much confidence on their home court and no one can play with them at home.
        Not sure if you watch basketball, but the Lakers biggest man is out. His name is Andrew Bynum... That should help out any other team that plays the lakers, but anyways I still think Lakers will win.


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        • TheStout
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          • Jul 2007
          • 2089

          #34
          Originally posted by WEG Cory

          Neither of them are the greatest ever. Shaq is and will be for some time.
          No offense Cory...Shaq is not even in the conversation. 53% lifetime FT% takes him out of the equation.

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          • SlammedMedia
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            • Apr 2008
            • 1573

            #35
            Originally posted by TheStout
            No offense Cory...Shaq is not even in the conversation. 53% lifetime FT% takes him out of the equation.

            Shaq is the most dominant inside force in the history of the NBA -- he certainly deserves to be in the conversation.

            and if you really knew the game you would have said Chamberlain didn't deserve to be in the conversation either ;) His free throw numbers were even worse.
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            • SlammedMedia
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              • Apr 2008
              • 1573

              #36
              Originally posted by CyberAgeGary
              Not sure if you watch basketball, but the Lakers biggest man is out. His name is Andrew Bynum... That should help out any other team that plays the lakers, but anyways I still think Lakers will win.


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              Thanks and I do know, the Lakers are still bigger and stronger inside.
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              • pocketkangaroo
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                • Jan 2005
                • 8452

                #37
                Jordan never got to play a shit Knicks team like Kobe does. When Jordan was around, the Knicks had a lot more talent and one of the best defenses in the league. They also had different rules in that era which made it harder for guards to score.

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                • Khulan
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                  • Sep 2008
                  • 890

                  #38
                  He is not the best basketball player ever. He is one the best players in the NBA these days.
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                  • D-Money
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                    • Feb 2002
                    • 9716

                    #39
                    Jordan is still the best player ever.

                    Kobe is one of the best ever.

                    Shaq is the most dominant.

                    LeBron is the future best player ever, but needs to win 6 or more titles to be in that conversation. I do think he'll do it though. But hey, I'm from Cleveland, so let me dream a little.

                    Kobe is the best 1 on 1 player ever and can score at will. He's much better at dishin' the rock then in the past. It's not too late for him to be the best, but can only be the best with 3 more championships. Lakers can win 3 more with the team they have now.

                    My question is, if the Lakers get Shaq again, use him as a back up to Andrew, will they win a title? And is it really possible for the Lakers to get Shaq again? Sounds like Shaq is buttering up the Lakers for a potential move.
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                    • pocketkangaroo
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                      • Jan 2005
                      • 8452

                      #40
                      Kobe isn't even the best player in the league, Lebron is. Comparing Kobe to Jordan is silly. Here are some reasons why:

                      - Jordan played with hand checking, something that was a big disadvantage to guards.

                      - Kobe plays in an era with defensive 3 seconds and the charging circle in the lane. Huge advantage to players who drive the lane. Jordan did not.

                      - Jordan was a much better defender than Kobe.

                      - Jordan was a 50% FG shooter, Kobe is 45%. Huge difference between the two.

                      - Jordan was a better rebounder and passer than Kobe.

                      - Jordan will win more championships than Kobe with less talent.

                      I don't know how anyone could even come close to making this argument. In this era, under these rules, Jordan would put up 35-40 points a night with ease. He also wouldn't have to shoot as much as Kobe does to do it. Kobe is a great player, one of the best ever. But he's not in the league of Jordan.

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                      • SlammedMedia
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                        • Apr 2008
                        • 1573

                        #41
                        I think the Lakers will get Shaq again, and I doubt he'll be a backup. The way Bynum's knees are...he could be out for quite awhile. They should have traded him the other year while they could have still gotten something for him. So much potential and I'm scared it'll never be met.
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                        • LA Mike
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                          • Jul 2001
                          • 3056

                          #42
                          Originally posted by WEG Cory
                          So when Kobe scores 60+ points, he is dangerous to his team? But when Jordan, Wilt, or Lebron does it, they are great players? Jordan wasn't a great teammate, he punched out players in the locker room, froze out teammates and even froze out other teammates that didn't follow his freezeout orders.

                          I am not arguing that Kobe is the best ever. I just think these articles get a bit tiresome.

                          At the end of the day, Kobe and Jordan are similar. Jordan had less competition, gambling issues, and lets be honest, he was suspected of infidelity on occasions. He was a jerk. He had to have HIS points. Kobe is arrogant, issues with infidelity, stiffer competition but he had Shaq.

                          How much of that matters? None.....

                          Neither of them are the greatest ever. Shaq is and will be for some time.
                          Cory... Shaq? WTF I knew you liked big black cock :P

                          I think we can all agree on one thing.. Kobe and Jordan were both amazing players! Jordan was no more of a teammate then Kobe has ever been. As a matter of fact the last year and a half Kobe was as much or more of a teammate then Jordan ever was.

                          People will always dispise Kobe because he is the 2nd coming. That's how it always works and nobody likes it. Jeff Gordon is every bit of a driver that Earnhardt Sr. was. But everyone hated him because he was the 2nd coming. But look at his numbers! I hate the fag and Im actually a Earnhardt fan but just making a point. It happens in every sport. People will hate the "NEXT" guy

                          Go Kobe... 15 straight 40pt games a few years ago? LOL wtf... he had like 20 straight 30pt games.. the things he has done are amazing..

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                          • TheStout
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                            • Jul 2007
                            • 2089

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Slammed Network
                            Shaq is the most dominant inside force in the history of the NBA -- he certainly deserves to be in the conversation.

                            and if you really knew the game you would have said Chamberlain didn't deserve to be in the conversation either ;) His free throw numbers were even worse.
                            I didnt know Chamberlain was mentioned by anyone other than you in this thread. I think that is because nobody besides you has mentioned him. So in that case if you really new the game when mentioning the most dominate forces in the game you failed to mention Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Russell and Julius Erving.

                            The argument can be made weather Shaq is the most dominate Center in NBA history but not the best player in NBA history. I will reiterate with one of these to make sure you notice that this is just my opinion.

                            If you want fact then I will say this. Gretzky is the best hockey player of all time, hands down, no arguments to be made. FACT!!!

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                            • LA Mike
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                              • Jul 2001
                              • 3056

                              #44
                              Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
                              Kobe isn't even the best player in the league, Lebron is. Comparing Kobe to Jordan is silly. Here are some reasons why:

                              - Jordan played with hand checking, something that was a big disadvantage to guards.

                              - Kobe plays in an era with defensive 3 seconds and the charging circle in the lane. Huge advantage to players who drive the lane. Jordan did not.

                              - Jordan was a much better defender than Kobe.

                              - Jordan was a 50% FG shooter, Kobe is 45%. Huge difference between the two.

                              - Jordan was a better rebounder and passer than Kobe.

                              - Jordan will win more championships than Kobe with less talent.

                              I don't know how anyone could even come close to making this argument. In this era, under these rules, Jordan would put up 35-40 points a night with ease. He also wouldn't have to shoot as much as Kobe does to do it. Kobe is a great player, one of the best ever. But he's not in the league of Jordan.
                              I can post dozens of stats that show either is better. It really comes down to preference. As a matter of fact I have side by side framed posters in my office of the two of them.

                              The one thing I think you are mistaken about is the talent that Jordan had on his team.
                              Rodman.. the best rebounder and defender the game has ever seen
                              Pippen.. maybe the best 2nd best player on his team EVER. Also one of the best small forwards ever.
                              The bulls also had some very good point guards over those years.. the Lakers have had nothing.
                              Center... The one advantage you can now give to the Lakers.. Shaq stint was short but now having Pau and a hurt Bynam gives the Lakers the edge.

                              I would also have to bring up the point that it was easier for Jordan to score back in the day. The players were smaller, the d was softer and the average team scored 10+ more points per game. More points to go around more easy layups and assists.

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                              • tiger
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                                • Apr 2002
                                • 6986

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Eric
                                You and I have had this conversation personally. Kobe's record this season proves the point better then ever. When he takes less then 20 shots a game the Lakers have a much larger chance at winning then when he becomes selfish.
                                Lots of shots doesn't always equal selfish play.

                                That stat shows how good the Lakers are this year that they don't need him to put up that many shots every night and he is obviously aware of that and hasn't forced things. It's almost always better when you spread the scoring around that doesn't mean there aren't going to be nights when one guy gets it going or the best player needs to take up more of the work load. You have to take what the defense gives you.

                                Jordan is still the best by the way. Kobe has a shot at it but would have to win a championship 3 out of the next 4 years to have any kind of serious discussion about it.

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