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  • DirtyJ_ExtendedMarketing
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    • Nov 2003
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    #151
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    • DirtyJ_ExtendedMarketing
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      • Nov 2003
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      #152
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      • Degenerate
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        • May 2006
        • 1294

        #153
        ill take 50
        .

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        • crockett
          in a van by the river
          • May 2003
          • 76818

          #154
          Ha I made it into the complaint... that's awesome.. Hopefully they pick up a few more of my quotes that I added today..
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          • ronaldo
            Confirmed User
            • Jan 2002
            • 5475

            #155
            Originally posted by Quick Buck
            i dont remember what the legal term is... but if i say "hey i'll buy your car for $10k" and you say "ok" and then i give you a check for $10k and the memo says "purchase for your car" and you give me the car and cash the check... you can't go take the car back next month saying that we didnt have a contract.

            i think the word is "implied contract"

            http://www.google.com/search?q=define:implied+contract


            It sounds like their lawyers are basically saying that they paid tmm every month, and tmm let them use the software every month, so by virtue of the history... so the only part that is probably really enforcable in that implied contact is the "xc pays tmm and tmm allows xc to use nats".
            Sorry, I think that's a bad example...even if the point is correct.

            I think in your scenario, the problem would boil down to the WARRANTEE. One party says the warrantee is 3 months. The other party says it was a 6 month warrantee. There doesn't appear to be any dispute on payment or service, but the TERMS of the service itself.

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            • RRRED
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              • Jan 2001
              • 6754

              #156
              Originally posted by SiMpLe
              Call me
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              • Jace
                FBOP Class Of 2013
                • Jan 2004
                • 35562

                #157
                regardless of who I believe, regardless of who is right or wrong, regardless of what really happened and what didn't

                both reputations are tarnished in this fight, and I hate to say it, I think both companies will hurt in the long run over all this

                with that, I am now officially staying out of it all. This will be my last post regarding TMM vs. NR

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                • JFK
                  FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                  • Jan 2002
                  • 67369

                  #158
                  Originally posted by crockett
                  Ha I made it into the complaint... that's awesome.. Hopefully they pick up a few more of my quotes that I added today..
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                  • Degenerate
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                    • May 2006
                    • 1294

                    #159
                    Originally posted by crockett
                    Ha I made it into the complaint... that's awesome.. Hopefully they pick up a few more of my quotes that I added today..
                    I dont know if thats a good thing
                    .

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                    • Kimmykim
                      bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                      • Jun 2001
                      • 16015

                      #160
                      Originally posted by ronaldo
                      Sorry, I think that's a bad example...even if the point is correct.

                      I think in your scenario, the problem would boil down to the WARRANTEE. One party says the warrantee is 3 months. The other party says it was a 6 month warrantee. There doesn't appear to be any dispute on payment or service, but the TERMS of the service itself.
                      Actually his example does not point to a warrantee situation. What he is saying is not that the car is broken, simply that the car is automatically set to disable itself every X amount of time requiring he request that the dealer re-enable it.

                      I was actually really surprised to hear about that particular feature of NATS on the permanent licensing.

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                      • Degenerate
                        Confirmed User
                        • May 2006
                        • 1294

                        #161
                        Originally posted by Kimmykim
                        Actually his example does not point to a warrantee situation. What he is saying is not that the car is broken, simply that the car is automatically set to disable itself every X amount of time requiring he request that the dealer re-enable it.

                        I was actually really surprised to hear about that particular feature of NATS on the permanent licensing.
                        In addition to that, I highly doubt we will be hearing from either party until a resolution is met by them.

                        BTW, Kim, didn't you used to defend NATS in the past?
                        .

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                        • Sparks
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                          • Nov 2004
                          • 2466

                          #162
                          Hmm, this should be interesting. I don't see how they have a case.

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                          • uno
                            RIP Dodger. BEST.CAT.EVER
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 18450

                            #163
                            Originally posted by Matt 26z
                            "he publicly stated that he had suspended the NATS license for XclusiveCash, Naked Rhino?s affiliate program, because he believed the company was shaving, or altering sign-up and re-bill statistics in order to cheat affiliates"


                            I didn't read that entire thread, but the first two posts by NATS in it didn't say such a thing. They just stated that the CCBill stats and the affiliate stats were different.
                            Exactly. It was a very well worded post that did not imply nor say directly anything of the sort. If people want to make assumptions, that is not the fault of NATS and TMM. All it simply stated was that there was a discrepancy that they were trying to clarify and they were met with abusive language and hung up on.
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                            • Manowar
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                              • Dec 2003
                              • 71528

                              #164
                              $5mill is tons

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                              • Degenerate
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                                • May 2006
                                • 1294

                                #165
                                Originally posted by Manowar
                                $5mill is tons
                                Happy you got your +1 post count?
                                .

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                                • xxxice
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                                  • Feb 2002
                                  • 5042

                                  #166
                                  This big drama

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                                  • willow
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                                    • Dec 2001
                                    • 131

                                    #167
                                    Originally posted by uno
                                    Exactly. It was a very well worded post that did not imply nor say directly anything of the sort. If people want to make assumptions, that is not the fault of NATS and TMM. All it simply stated was that there was a discrepancy that they were trying to clarify and they were met with abusive language and hung up on.
                                    It doesn't quite work like that. It can be argued that they implied shaving. It can also be argued that they posted it to be inflammatory and to damage. If there's an argument, then the jury will decide and much money will be spent all around.

                                    FWIW it was a terribly worded post, in that it was posted at all. A private agreement which was very likely about to be litigated discussed in public, WTF! Anyone doing business with either of these parties should look long and hard at what they think acceptable conduct is.

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                                    • beemk
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                                      • Jan 2002
                                      • 20829

                                      #168
                                      Originally posted by Jace
                                      Maybe $5million is the amount that is owed to affiliates, and that is how they are going to recoup that money since Brandi and Chris are obviously too broke to pay that money back out
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                                      • Furious_Male
                                        Doing the grind since 99
                                        • Oct 2003
                                        • 16884

                                        #169
                                        Regardless how this turns out this case will change the way companies handle posting business on public message boards.

                                        This is going to be interesting to watch unfold.
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                                        • Degenerate
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • May 2006
                                          • 1294

                                          #170
                                          Originally posted by Furious_Male
                                          Regardless how this turns out this case will change the way companies handle posting business on public message boards.

                                          This is going to be interesting to watch unfold.
                                          I agree... people like PimpleDog will be fucked.
                                          .

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                                          • shermo

                                            #171
                                            That's a big nut to ask for from a company as small-midsized as it is.

                                            Also, never once did I hear anybody from TMM mention "shaving".

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                                            • Doctor Dre
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • Jan 2001
                                              • 51692

                                              #172
                                              LMAO. Adress your problems first and there won't be problems like that. What a stupid move by xclusive.
                                              Originally posted by rayadp05
                                              I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                              • modF
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                                                • Aug 2002
                                                • 1888

                                                #173
                                                Just to clariry for page 16, it is "modF" not "ModF". In addition, he or she happens to be a "he".

                                                Wouldn't it be nice if NR resovled the issue before throwing around these interesting lawsuits?
                                                Last edited by modF; 08-24-2006, 03:47 PM.

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                                                • Juicy D. Links
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                  • 122992

                                                  #174
                                                  interestingggggggggggggg

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                                                  • tranza
                                                    ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                    • 57559

                                                    #175
                                                    They are pretty much dead now...
                                                    I'm just a newbie.

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                                                    • LiveDose
                                                      Show Yer Tits!
                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                      • 25792

                                                      #176
                                                      This action was inevitable after that first post that started all this.

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                                                      • wjxxx
                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                        • 4448

                                                        #177
                                                        You can buy shitload of niggers for 5 mil$

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                                                        • Rice_Master
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                                                          • Mar 2001
                                                          • 1582

                                                          #178
                                                          Originally posted by wjxxx
                                                          You can buy shitload of niggers for 5 mil$
                                                          you sir are a fuckning idiot.
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                                                          • BoyAlley
                                                            So Fucking Gay
                                                            • Nov 2004
                                                            • 19714

                                                            #179
                                                            Originally posted by wjxxx
                                                            You can buy shitload of niggers for 5 mil$
                                                            I wonder if this will make it into the court filings?

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                                                            • SonOfJesus
                                                              Registered User
                                                              • Aug 2006
                                                              • 47

                                                              #180
                                                              I have returned my children.
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                                                              • Degenerate
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • May 2006
                                                                • 1294

                                                                #181
                                                                Originally posted by SonOfJesus
                                                                I have returned my children.
                                                                Fill us in then.
                                                                .

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                                                                • mailman
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                                                                  • Mar 2001
                                                                  • 6311

                                                                  #182
                                                                  Originally posted by SonOfJesus
                                                                  I have returned my children.
                                                                  Rejoice?

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                                                                  • HorseShit
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • Dec 2004
                                                                    • 17513

                                                                    #183
                                                                    hows sluttystars

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                                                                    • Pleasurepays
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                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                      • 11913

                                                                      #184
                                                                      Originally posted by Jace
                                                                      the damage is only done because NR decided NOT to address the initial problem. a discrepency was discovered, rather addressing the issue and seeing if a problem did exist, they file a sue for 5 mil and skip over the original issue?

                                                                      i dont care for either party and don't really give a shit what happens between them. having said that, i don't agree that it was absolutely necessary for John to come to a public forum and basically accuse the company of stealing from webmasters. were they stealing? not stealing? do they owe people money? those issues have nothing to do with their accusations, damages and claims.

                                                                      if you process with CCBill... do you think its CCbills place to announce on GFY that they are terminating your accounts because you are stealing from affiliates? i doubt you would be ranting and raving and stating again and again something like "i was totally wrong about everything and ccbill is 100% right to go public and basically sink my business and accuse me of stealing in a public forum"

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                                                                      • davidd
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                                                                        • Jul 2003
                                                                        • 1076

                                                                        #185
                                                                        blah blah
                                                                        Last edited by davidd; 08-24-2006, 06:48 PM.

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                                                                        • MediumPimpin
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                                                                          • Apr 2003
                                                                          • 1488

                                                                          #186
                                                                          Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                                                                          LMAO. Adress your problems first and there won't be problems like that. What a stupid move by xclusive.
                                                                          It seems that simple to me fix the rebills pay up, wtf is the problem?
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                                                                          • FlexxAeon
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                                                                            • May 2003
                                                                            • 3765

                                                                            #187
                                                                            Correct me if I'm wrong here....

                                                                            - Regardless of whether the problem was tech error or shave, people still haven't been paid on said errors.

                                                                            - Because NR was locked out, people STIlLL haven't been paid on said errors.

                                                                            - This suit will prolong people getting paid (past, present, & future).

                                                                            - The suit isn't even about people getting paid, so regardless of who wins, affiliates lose.

                                                                            flexx [dot] aeon [at] gmail

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                                                                            • Degenerate
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                                                                              • May 2006
                                                                              • 1294

                                                                              #188
                                                                              Well, look at the bright side, at least there are only about 200 webmasters at MAX waiting on payments.
                                                                              .

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                                                                              • BoyAlley
                                                                                So Fucking Gay
                                                                                • Nov 2004
                                                                                • 19714

                                                                                #189
                                                                                Originally posted by Degenerate
                                                                                Well, look at the bright side, at least there are only about 200 webmasters at MAX waiting on payments.

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                                                                                • spacedog
                                                                                  Yes that IS me. Bitch.
                                                                                  • Nov 2001
                                                                                  • 14149

                                                                                  #190
                                                                                  Hopefully now that mouthy little fuck will learn his lesson.

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                                                                                  • Jace
                                                                                    FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                                    • Jan 2004
                                                                                    • 35562

                                                                                    #191
                                                                                    Originally posted by FlexxAeon
                                                                                    Correct me if I'm wrong here....

                                                                                    - Regardless of whether the problem was tech error or shave, people still haven't been paid on said errors.

                                                                                    - Because NR was locked out, people STIlLL haven't been paid on said errors.

                                                                                    - This suit will prolong people getting paid (past, present, & future).

                                                                                    - The suit isn't even about people getting paid, so regardless of who wins, affiliates lose.

                                                                                    TMM has already made it very clear that is Naked Rhino wants to pay affiliates, TMM will open their NATS whlie lawyers are present so that affiliates can be paid

                                                                                    NR didn't go fo that

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                                                                                    • Scootermuze
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                                                                                      • Dec 2001
                                                                                      • 4513

                                                                                      #192
                                                                                      Originally posted by ztik
                                                                                      "The dispute is centered around a post made by Albright on GFY.com?s message board. In it, he publicly stated"

                                                                                      Message boards are private, not public. Was he only posting facts?
                                                                                      I don't see how this will hold up
                                                                                      Private??

                                                                                      Message boards that can be read my anyone without any registration requirements can hardly be considered private..

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                                                                                      • SomeCreep
                                                                                        :glugglug
                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                        • 26118

                                                                                        #193
                                                                                        I predict John from NATS will never post anything ever again, regarding NATS and issues with companies using that software.

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                                                                                        • FlexxAeon
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                                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                                          • 3765

                                                                                          #194
                                                                                          Originally posted by Jace
                                                                                          TMM has already made it very clear that is Naked Rhino wants to pay affiliates, TMM will open their NATS whlie lawyers are present so that affiliates can be paid

                                                                                          NR didn't go fo that
                                                                                          well now......that's um......err....uh...
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                                                                                          • AbulletAway
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                                                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                                                            • 760

                                                                                            #195
                                                                                            Originally posted by Degenerate
                                                                                            Care to expand? I didn't get that from reading the same papers.

                                                                                            Sure for starters, item number ten in the court paperwork. Makes it sound like they started the business, that it was all their idea. It was sadly not all their idea. In fact non of it was their idea. And, further more, anyone that was at the Vegas show the year before last that went to their "xclusive cash" meeting was told by them about how another couple was the "brain child". That it was the other couple that came to them and said, we have an idea.

                                                                                            Now all of a sudden it was all just them? It was them that was hurt? Well that what's you get for fucking people over. So either they lied to all of us at that meeting when they told us about the other couple or they lied in the court papers. Either way, they are liars and not to be trusted.

                                                                                            I used to have some respect them. In fact even when they first lied to me I let it go. It was that big a deal and I kept my mouth shut. Then, they fucked over my friends and stole just about everything from them. Now they are fucking over a whole lot of webmasters and enough is enough. I look forward to all the things that I am sure will come out should this ever go to trial but I can't see it going that far. But, then again, it only would have taken a 5 year old with the common sense of a slug to get out of their jam in the first place instead one of the owners had a probable roid rage when Nats called the first time setting this whole thing in to motion, so I guess it is true, common sense isn't really that common.

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                                                                                            • tony299
                                                                                              lurker
                                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                                              • 57021

                                                                                              #196
                                                                                              A few things no one was going to involve playboy in the suit because playboy probably has a whole department of lawyers that just live for this type of thing.
                                                                                              Small dogs dont want to fight with big dogs.The buying a car is not the same with software depends on how the license is worded, like if your paying monthly fee you really don't own it. Your paying to use it.Last point Jace is a honest guy with a good heart and a good friend. From what I read in the court papers nats post didnt talk about shaving just about a problem they wanted to fix.

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                                                                                              • BluMedia
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Dec 2002
                                                                                                • 3973

                                                                                                #197
                                                                                                We noticed our rebills hadn't been posting with one of our newer billers and we contacted nats to fix the problem. I don't get why any company would not want to fix something like this. They could of easily fixed this problem by talking to NATS and none of this would of happened.

                                                                                                Mark
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                                                                                                • spacedog
                                                                                                  Yes that IS me. Bitch.
                                                                                                  • Nov 2001
                                                                                                  • 14149

                                                                                                  #198
                                                                                                  Originally posted by BluMedia
                                                                                                  We noticed our rebills hadn't been posting with one of our newer billers and we contacted nats to fix the problem. I don't get why any company would not want to fix something like this. They could of easily fixed this problem by talking to NATS and none of this would of happened.

                                                                                                  Mark
                                                                                                  so, now it's xclusive cash's fault nats didn't track right?

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                                                                                                  • JMM
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                                                    • 1755

                                                                                                    #199
                                                                                                    Originally posted by BluMedia
                                                                                                    We noticed our rebills hadn't been posting with one of our newer billers and we contacted nats to fix the problem. I don't get why any company would not want to fix something like this. They could of easily fixed this problem by talking to NATS and none of this would of happened.

                                                                                                    Mark
                                                                                                    This is the part that I don't understand. From what I have read, the rebill issue was going on for more than a day, more than a week, more than a MONTH.

                                                                                                    How did it go unnoticed by XC? The NATS system sends an email on every join, and every rebill. It is the first thing that I check every single morning. If this happened in my program, I would notice it within 24 hours, 48 hours tops if it happened on a weekend. Even if you have your mail filtered to automatically move to another folder, it would be noticed as soon as I logged in and went to the overview page.

                                                                                                    This is what has me shaking my head.

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                                                                                                    • Shoplifter
                                                                                                      Richest man in Babylon
                                                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                                                      • 5877

                                                                                                      #200
                                                                                                      Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                                      Well if it goes to court then the info will all become public record.

                                                                                                      Which is why it is impossible to believe it will actually go to court....

                                                                                                      The process of discovery would mean disclosure of all accounting, tax records...everything. I don't believe anyone in this business has their books in that sort of order..
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