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  • mailman
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    • Mar 2001
    • 6311

    #1

    Xclusive Cash to sue NATS for 5 Million

    http://avnonline.com/index.php?Prima...tent_ID=274491

    Just Published.

    And yet again the whole fact of why it was never addressed in teh first hand is ignored once again. I dont get how XC keeps missing the point it would have never come to the boards if they talked to them and looked to resolved and issue there might have been.

    Things just got intresting!
  • Degenerate
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    • May 2006
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    #2
    spot sigggg
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    • RRRED
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      • Jan 2001
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      #3
      I never do sig spots... but what the heck... lol

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      • Jace
        FBOP Class Of 2013
        • Jan 2004
        • 35562

        #4
        Really?????????

        They couldn't see the stats to pay affilaites but they can see the decrease stats to sue for $5million

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        • devilspost
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          • Big_Red
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            #6
            well hey now.....
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            • Jace
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              • Jan 2004
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              #7
              wow, and yet they still aren't addressing the issue about what happened with their stats

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              • XMaster
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                #8
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                • Degenerate
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                  #9
                  Looks like Nats is in some hot water after reading that.... time for the courts!
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                  • Jace
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                    • Jan 2004
                    • 35562

                    #10
                    and wtf is this?

                    XclusiveCash will also launch its own proprietary back-end tracking system, which has been in development for the past year, in the next two months. But can they recover?


                    YEAH RIGHT

                    come on now, you shaved affiliates, and now you want to build your own backend system?

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                    • aico
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                      • Mar 2004
                      • 14748

                      #11
                      Ooops....

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                      • Jace
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                        • Jan 2004
                        • 35562

                        #12
                        “I think once the facts are known, we’ll be able to rebuild webmaster confidence. It’s going to be a long process,” Potoski says. “It’s possible to come back from something like this, but it’s going to take time and it’s certainly going to cost us in the short run. Whether it costs us dearly in the long run remains to be seen.”
                        UM....Chris...if you are reading this

                        YOU NEED TO PAY AFFILIATES FOR THOSE (alleged) BACK REBILLS FIRST MAN!!!!

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                        • mailman
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                          • Mar 2001
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                          #13
                          I'd like to know how they came up with a number like 5 million. since Angel and Vegas are gone and now have Dirty Daisy they cant use that as possible leverage of income so tell me how Brandi Love is worth 5 million when Club Jenna sold for 17 million and shes been around years, has a branded name a zillion dvds and so much more?

                          Either NRM is out of their mind or Jenna got ripped off, lol

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                          • Makingcoin
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                            • Aug 2002
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                            #14
                            For the lazy folk.

                            Naked Rhino Sues Too Much Media, Alleges Cover-Up
                            By: MJ McMahon
                            Posted: 11:30 am PDT 8-24-2006



                            TRENTON, N.J. - Naked Rhino Media has filed a defamation and breach-of-contract suit in federal court against Too Much Media, creators of the NATS back-end affiliate program software, and the company?s Chief Executive Officer John Albright.

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                            Naked Rhino, which operates sites like BrandiLove.com and SinamonLane.com, alleges that the defendants are responsible for destroying the company?s business through ?intentional and reckless online Internet verbal assaults concerning the reputation and operation of Naked Rhino as well as [Too Much Media?s] suspension of Naked Rhino?s online payment processing, reporting, and affiliate management system (NATS).?

                            They are seeking $5 million in damages.

                            The dispute is centered around a post made by Albright on GFY.com?s message board. In it, he publicly stated that he had suspended the NATS license for XclusiveCash, Naked Rhino?s affiliate program, because he believed the company was shaving, or altering sign-up and re-bill statistics in order to cheat affiliates, after a discrepancy between the number of re-bills reported by payment processor CCBill and the number reported to the NATS system.

                            The board post has created quite a bit of conversation in the webmaster community.

                            ?That?s not how you handle your business, especially in an industry like this one. You can?t just go online, as a business, and post something disparaging about somebody else. As pretty much all the posters on GFY have noted, you can destroy reputations and businesses like that,? says attorney Al Zacarian, who along with Robert Feldman and Rob Apgood, are representing Naked Rhino on the case.

                            ?From what I?ve read on the posts, people are missing the point. It?s not about ?why isn?t XclusiveCash not coming on the boards and defending themselves??the damage has already been done. It was done when [Albright] decided he was going to air it out [on the boards] before anything was fleshed out.?

                            In the lawsuit, Naked Rhino alleges that Albright?s statement was used not only to ruin the company?s reputation, but to deflect attention away from NATS, which has been heavily marketed as being shave-proof. The complaint reads, in part, ?the ?shave-proof? NATS program was the real likely cause of the missing re-bills.?

                            The suit points to several previously reported NATS/billing company integration issues and situations where similar disputes were played out on message boards, such as NATS?s feud with affiliate program Jason and Alex.

                            Since Albright?s accusation, XclusiveCash has seen a mass exodus of affiliate traffic, according to President Chris Potoski. The company has been working to rebuild traffic through other means.

                            ?We?ve taken every possible step to start generating our own traffic. I?m not going to let this situation ruin everything we?ve worked so hard to build,? Potoski says. ?Any good businessperson would look at this and say revenue is not going to be coming in from this source, at least for the foreseeable future, how do we make sure the business survives? We?ve taken steps to ensure that.?

                            XclusiveCash will also launch its own proprietary back-end tracking system, which has been in development for the past year, in the next two months. But can they recover?

                            ?I think once the facts are known, we?ll be able to rebuild webmaster confidence. It?s going to be a long process,? Potoski says. ?It?s possible to come back from something like this, but it?s going to take time and it?s certainly going to cost us in the short run. Whether it costs us dearly in the long run remains to be seen.?

                            As of press time, Albright had not returned several messages seeking comment.

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                            • TurboAngel
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                              #15
                              Oh no.

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                              • crockett
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                                #16
                                Well if it goes to court then the info will all become public record.
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                                • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
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                                  #17
                                  The complaint reads, in part, ?the ?shave-proof? NATS program was the real likely cause of the missing re-bills.?
                                  As of press time, Albright (of NATS) had not returned several messages seeking comment.
                                  When GFY posts go bad...

                                  Sounds like some lawyers from both sides are going to be raking in the big bucks. Too bad this couldn't have been solved amicably off the boards.

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                                  • Degenerate
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                                    #18
                                    This will be another thread read in court as evidence. HI MOM!!!!!!!
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                                    • ztik
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                                      #19
                                      "The dispute is centered around a post made by Albright on GFY.com’s message board. In it, he publicly stated"

                                      Message boards are private, not public. Was he only posting facts?
                                      I don't see how this will hold up
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                                      • PurrrsianPussyKat
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                                        • SinisterStudios
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                                          #21
                                          Damn this is going to get interesting
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                                          • Chris
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                                            • May 2003
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                                            #22
                                            should be interesting
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                                            • marketsmart
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                                              • Dec 2004
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                                              #23
                                              this is going to be interesting in terms of legal recourse for hurting another's business via a message board....

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                                              • magicmike
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                                                #24
                                                interesting i wonder how this will play out
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                                                • mailman
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Degenerate
                                                  This will be another thread read in court as evidence. HI MOM!!!!!!!
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                                                  • Anthony
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                                                    • Feb 2001
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                                                    #26
                                                    Wow. Just wow.

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                                                    • Chris
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                                                      • May 2003
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                                                      #27
                                                      Save the nats lambo!
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                                                      • Jace
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                                                        • Jan 2004
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                                                        #28
                                                        Maybe $5million is the amount that is owed to affiliates, and that is how they are going to recoup that money since Brandi and Chris are obviously too broke to pay that money back out

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                                                        • babymaker
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                                                          #29
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                                                          • Nathan
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                                                            #30
                                                            FYI, the reason why john was not reachable is that he is in transit to Montreal.

                                                            My guess is he'll be contacting AVN about it soon once he gets there.
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                                                            • PMdave
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                                                              #31
                                                              I can see why they don't come here to explain what happened. The dammage is already done and even if they prove themselves to be innocent the statement NATS CEO made will always hount them. I'd take it to court aswell. And once you decide to take anything to court it's wise to not make any public statements about it.

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                                                              • Greg MissionD
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                                                                #32
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                                                                • DirtyDanza
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  NR never once answeres to affiliates weather or not they were cheating or not.... I am going to have to go with john on this one man... I am sorry.. but I have to.. cheating webmasters is not cool
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                                                                  • wtfent
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Now this is drama. Im not even going to get caught up in this.
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                                                                    • Jace
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by PMdave
                                                                      I can see why they don't come here to explain what happened. The dammage is already done and even if they prove themselves to be innocent the statement NATS CEO made will always hount them. I'd take it to court aswell. And once you decide to take anything to court it's wise to not make any public statements about it.
                                                                      the damage is only done because NR decided NOT to address the initial problem. a discrepency was discovered, rather addressing the issue and seeing if a problem did exist, they file a sue for 5 mil and skip over the original issue?

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                                                                      • WiredGuy
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Gotta hand it, Hooper was right when he said the next few days would be exciting to watch.
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                                                                        • aico
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                                                                          • Mar 2004
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Jace
                                                                          the damage is only done because NR decided NOT to address the initial problem. a discrepency was discovered, rather addressing the issue and seeing if a problem did exist, they file a sue for 5 mil and skip over the original issue?
                                                                          Honestly, if they were scamming affiliates, you think they'd want to go to court and have all the facts made public?

                                                                          I think you just dislike them.

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                                                                          • mailman
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by DirtyDanza
                                                                            NR never once answeres to affiliates weather or not they were cheating or not.... I am going to have to go with john on this one man... I am sorry.. but I have to.. cheating webmasters is not cool
                                                                            Yeah and knowing I was one of their top webmasters they have not ONCE contacted me durring all of this to let me know what was going on. I had to send 2-3 emails to get a responce about getting normal payouts.

                                                                            This has not been handled too well by XC!

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                                                                            • FTVGirls_Rob
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              They've only got two crappy sites? I don't get it...

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                                                                              • PMdave
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Jace
                                                                                the damage is only done because NR decided NOT to address the initial problem. a discrepency was discovered, rather addressing the issue and seeing if a problem did exist, they file a sue for 5 mil and skip over the original issue?
                                                                                Says who? Remember you've only heard one side of the story about that phonecall and the whole shaving issue.

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                                                                                • Solid Bob
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Jace
                                                                                  the damage is only done because NR decided NOT to address the initial problem. a discrepency was discovered, rather addressing the issue and seeing if a problem did exist, they file a sue for 5 mil and skip over the original issue?
                                                                                  As much as I'd like to say I wouldn't, if someone called insinuating I cheated someone when I didn't I'd likely hang up on them as well. Do you really think they'd be suing if they were obviously shaving? You don't think it will be brought up?
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                                                                                  • mailman
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by aico
                                                                                    Honestly, if they were scamming affiliates, you think they'd want to go to court and have all the facts made public?

                                                                                    I think you just dislike them.
                                                                                    Whos to say this is not to just scare NATS into settling and giving them say 50K and walking away. 5 million is a hefty sum of money but I highly doubt XC thinks this will make it to the courts.

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                                                                                      • Matt 26z
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        "he publicly stated that he had suspended the NATS license for XclusiveCash, Naked Rhino?s affiliate program, because he believed the company was shaving, or altering sign-up and re-bill statistics in order to cheat affiliates"


                                                                                        I didn't read that entire thread, but the first two posts by NATS in it didn't say such a thing. They just stated that the CCBill stats and the affiliate stats were different.

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                                                                                        • modF
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                                                          When GFY posts go bad...

                                                                                          Sounds like some lawyers from both sides are going to be raking in the big bucks. Too bad this couldn't have been solved amicably off the boards.

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                                                                                          You lose the amicably once XC gets allegedly caught doing something bad. Everything else gets solved on the boards at one point or another, why should this be any different? TMM tried to contact them, were told to go pound sand, and that's why we are on the boards now.

                                                                                          This is all just smoke an mirrors to deter people from wondering what the real story with the numbers are. If nothing was wrong, I'm sure at XC would have resolved it and been paying out affiliates as usual by now. Webmasters can forgive an 'oops' in a matter of weeks, but the more they delay it, the tougher it will be to crawl back.


                                                                                          Also, in that article notice they don't ever quote John as saying they shaved.

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                                                                                          • wtfent
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            This thread is going to get huge unfortunately, Honestly Im not taking sides but I really hope Nats is OK because we use them for our program and I would hate for this to effect them in any way. Im sure they got millions to work with.
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                                                                                              • Jaii
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Degenerate
                                                                                                This will be another thread read in court as evidence. HI MOM!!!!!!!


                                                                                                Thats too funny not too comment on!

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                                                                                                • DateDoc
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  interesting.....

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                                                                                                  • brand0n
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                                                    Gotta hand it, Hooper was right when he said the next few days would be exciting to watch.
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