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  • pr0
    rockin tha trailerpark
    • May 2001
    • 23088
    #1

    Iran turns away UN inspectors as nuclear deadline arrives

    Thats a headline straight off google news.

    Now heres my question. How closely does this news relate to Bush's address to the nation tonight about sending peacekeepers into lebanon?

    Are we looking at the very first small buildup of UN troops (under the cloak of peacekeeping) for eventual action against Iran?
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    • StickyGreen
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      it's about to go down...
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        • _Lush_
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          • Jul 2005
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          #3
          there are so many hidden forces at play that are hard to figure out...But I am betting the west is going to be forced into war with them
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            • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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              • Mar 2003
              • 30307
              #4
              The world needs to go Ape shit on Iran.
              Thats it really in a nutshell.

              Hezbollah gots Iranian shit.
              Iranian's shooting rocket's and clearly have only one intention for a nuclear program and thats Nukes. The proof is in the fact they have been made every offfer possible to have Nuclear energy.
              Iran Funds Palestine and also funds many of the woe's in Iraq with the sectarian killings.

              The picture is pretty clear, yet the UN has no back bone to fight a war the United States was forced to fight over 20 years ago.

              Proof is on history.
              Terrorism is not just an American problem it is a world problem and Iran is the serpents head.
              Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 08-21-2006, 04:10 PM.

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                • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                  • Mar 2003
                  • 30307
                  #5
                  I really do not know why America has not just started straff bombing parts of Iran.

                  We should have started doing that 3 years ago.
                  I have no idea why it is tolorated in the international scale for government's to fund destructive influences in other countries by arming militia's and have them instigate terror and murder on civilian populations.

                  The UN is gutless.
                  Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 08-21-2006, 04:14 PM.

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                    • Webby
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                      • Oct 2002
                      • 14956
                      #6
                      Not unexpected pr0 - Iran was due to give a formal response to the UN in the next day or so - but has already indicated they have no intention of slowing their nuclear program.

                      Next is prob a proposed US resolution to impose sanctions - who knows, but unlikely there will be agreement on that and prob objections from Russia and China. US sanctions alone are obviously not a "threat" - they have been in place for over a quarter of a century with Iran.
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                        • Paul
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                          • Nov 2002
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                          #7
                          Originally posted by pr0
                          Thats a headline straight off google news.

                          Now heres my question. How closely does this news relate to Bush's address to the nation tonight about sending peacekeepers into lebanon?

                          Are we looking at the very first small buildup of UN troops (under the cloak of peacekeeping) for eventual action against Iran?
                          Everything in the news over the past month indicates to me that something massive is about to go down and I find it very very worrying

                          I think all these terrorist raids in the news are preparing us for what is about to happen imo

                          Look how many terrorist attack drills they are having this month in the US

                          Ocean disaster drill in San Francisco, CA Aug 9-12
                          St. Louis, MO terror drill on Aug 9
                          Dothan, AL hosting WMD drills Aug 14-19
                          Terror Drills in San Diego, CA Aug 21-26
                          NJ Begins Week Long Bioterrorism drill July 30-August6
                          Hawaii continues nuke drills Aug 16
                          Houston County 5 Day Disaster Drill Aug 14-19
                          Mass disaster drills in 26 Texas counties on Aug 8-9

                          I don't live in the US, so you tell me. Is this freakin normal ? Do you have this many mock terror drills every single month that I'm just not aware of in each state ?

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                            • pr0
                              rockin tha trailerpark
                              • May 2001
                              • 23088
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Coatsy
                              Everything in the news over the past month indicates to me that something massive is about to go down and I find it very very worrying

                              I think all these terrorist raids in the news are preparing us for what is about to happen imo

                              Look how many terrorist attack drills they are having this month in the US

                              Ocean disaster drill in San Francisco, CA Aug 9-12
                              St. Louis, MO terror drill on Aug 9
                              Dothan, AL hosting WMD drills Aug 14-19
                              Terror Drills in San Diego, CA Aug 21-26
                              NJ Begins Week Long Bioterrorism drill July 30-August6
                              Hawaii continues nuke drills Aug 16
                              Houston County 5 Day Disaster Drill Aug 14-19
                              Mass disaster drills in 26 Texas counties on Aug 8-9

                              I don't live in the US, so you tell me. Is this freakin normal ? Do you have this many mock terror drills every single month that I'm just not aware of in each state ?
                              think maybe it has more to do with the upcoming elections than a possible war?
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                                • Pleasurepays
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                                  • Aug 2002
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                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by pr0
                                  Thats a headline straight off google news.

                                  Now heres my question. How closely does this news relate to Bush's address to the nation tonight about sending peacekeepers into lebanon?

                                  Are we looking at the very first small buildup of UN troops (under the cloak of peacekeeping) for eventual action against Iran?

                                  its ok. be patient. the apologists for terrorism are about to show up and explain why Iran just wants a peaceful energy program that somehow involves making nuclear weapon and must be done in underground facilities which cannot be inspected by UN/IAEA inspectors.

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                                    • Naja-ram
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                                      • Aug 2006
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                                      #10
                                      you guys know nothing.
                                      there is no proof Iran wants nuke weapons ability, and it doesn't need it anyway, there 52,000 shahids in Iran ready for suicide bombing in america and the uk.
                                      the solution for this is simple - let Iran be, give Iran a chance, did you ever think that Iran is a peaceful country ? why do you have to believe everything you read, see and hear in your western media ?
                                      http://www.muslimmatrimonial.com/

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                                        • pr0
                                          rockin tha trailerpark
                                          • May 2001
                                          • 23088
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Naja-ram
                                          you guys know nothing.
                                          there is no proof Iran wants nuke weapons ability, and it doesn't need it anyway, there 52,000 shahids in Iran ready for suicide bombing in america and the uk.
                                          the solution for this is simple - let Iran be, give Iran a chance, did you ever think that Iran is a peaceful country ? why do you have to believe everything you read, see and hear in your western media ?
                                          You really think 52,000 brainwashed idiots scare us? We could recruit the same amount of brainwashed rednecks to hit your country in ONE DAY with a booth outside a NASCAR race.
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                                            • Naja-ram
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                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by pr0
                                              You really think 52,000 brainwashed idiots scare us? We could recruit the same amount of brainwashed rednecks to hit your country in ONE DAY with a booth outside a NASCAR race.
                                              that is just the point. you can't.
                                              your power is nothing because you can't use it. why ?
                                              you can't use nuke powers because the people of your country will not let that happen, the other countries will not let america do it.
                                              you will hear this again and again:
                                              "give peace a change"
                                              "we don't want war"
                                              "force is not the way of this era"
                                              "this is not our war"

                                              try to understand that YOUR way of thinking as an civilian individual is very different from the actions your goverment can do.
                                              there is a loop hole, and Iran's way of fighting is protect by mothers in westurn culture countries that don't want to see Iran's children die.

                                              no one does.

                                              you lose.
                                              Jihad is smarter - admit it and shut the fuck up.
                                              Last edited by Naja-ram; 08-22-2006, 12:59 AM.
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                                                • Naja-ram
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                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                  I really do not know why America has not just started straff bombing parts of Iran.

                                                  We should have started doing that 3 years ago.
                                                  I have no idea why it is tolorated in the international scale for government's to fund destructive influences in other countries by arming militia's and have them instigate terror and murder on civilian populations.

                                                  The UN is gutless.
                                                  lets get one thing straight - america, like the rest of the world does not want to start WW3.
                                                  http://www.muslimmatrimonial.com/

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                                                    • Naja-ram
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                                                      #14
                                                      let's talk common sense for a mintue.
                                                      I do not represent Iran, I'm Iranian but I currently reside outside of it, but still in the middle east and I want to say this:
                                                      what makes you think the Iran is so evil ? could it be whatever makes you think this is not as factual as you might think ? why are you so against it's mentality ?
                                                      you might be wrong to think that Iran is a threat, maybe it's just another country with human being like yourself.
                                                      http://www.muslimmatrimonial.com/

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                                                        • Lazonby
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                                                          #15
                                                          http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/ShTickers.html

                                                          06:49 Minister Eitan: Prepare bomb-shelters for possible confrontation with Iran (Israel Radio)

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                                                            • Lazonby
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                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Naja-ram
                                                              lets get one thing straight - america, like the rest of the world does not want to start WW3.
                                                              Presumably you haven't had access to an education, as WW3 has been and gone, and WW4 started a few decades ago.

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                                                                • Lazonby
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Naja-ram
                                                                  let's talk common sense for a mintue.
                                                                  I do not represent Iran, I'm Iranian but I currently reside outside of it, but still in the middle east and I want to say this:
                                                                  what makes you think the Iran is so evil ? could it be whatever makes you think this is not as factual as you might think ? why are you so against it's mentality ?
                                                                  you might be wrong to think that Iran is a threat, maybe it's just another country with human being like yourself.


                                                                  So dumb. Anyone want to waste their time educating this simpleton?

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                                                                    • Odin
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Naja-ram
                                                                      you guys know nothing.
                                                                      there is no proof Iran wants nuke weapons ability, and it doesn't need it anyway, there 52,000 shahids in Iran ready for suicide bombing in america and the uk.
                                                                      the solution for this is simple - let Iran be, give Iran a chance, did you ever think that Iran is a peaceful country ? why do you have to believe everything you read, see and hear in your western media ?
                                                                      The worst thing you could do is suicide bomb the USA from a military standpoint. Once you do that it will sure up the support at home for the war and bring the US down on you like a tonn of bricks. The only way you could achieve anything in a war with the US is to fight like Hezbollah, or the insurgents in Iraq now, only on a higher level. If the US and UK remained peaceful, yet their soldiers were dieing day by day in Iran people, as they have in Iraq, would question why the hell they are sending their children to die in some far off war, and eventually (as it did in Vietnam) if the bloodshed is too great the US will back out of the region. But, if you bring the war to US soil through suicide attacks, or any attacks (as much as you might like to make them pay) it would be a terrible move on your part. The US would no longer need to hold back, and support for the war would become so great that the civilian death toll in the region will hardly be noted, and when that occurs the US really does have a chance to wipe out all opposition that faces it and it's boss (Israel) in the region.
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                                                                        • L-Pink
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          In 1981 Israel launched an air attack, successfully, against an almost finished nuclear energy plant outside of Baghdad .... Will they go two for two?

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                                                                            • L-Pink
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                                                                              • Mar 2005
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by pr0
                                                                              You really think 52,000 brainwashed idiots scare us? We could recruit the same amount of brainwashed rednecks to hit your country in ONE DAY with a booth outside a NASCAR race.
                                                                              That's great!

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                                                                                • elron
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                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                                                  In 1981 Israel launched an air attack, successfully, against an almost finished nuclear energy plant outside of Baghdad .... Will they go two for two?
                                                                                  they can't . the iranians learnt from saddam's mistake and built their plants in many places , and deep underground .
                                                                                  before 1979 iran were good friends of israel , then the islamic ayatulas took over ...

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                                                                                    • Naja-ram
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Chief
                                                                                      bring the US down on you like a tonn of bricks......The US would no longer need to hold back
                                                                                      there is something that is not clear enough here:
                                                                                      no matter what the US thinks it can do when not holding back, military force cannot destory the fight core of Iran: the same reason Al Qaeda still exists, the same reason Hizbolla is still there after Israel's pathetic attack on them.
                                                                                      the more america doesn't "hold back" and the more she attacks with heavy tanks, air craft or whatever - the more the world will realize Iran is not something you can bring down by force.
                                                                                      http://www.muslimmatrimonial.com/

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                                                                                        • Lord Aga
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          The fact that theres apparently 52k suicide bombers makes me think Iran is evil.. and this alone warrants turning it to glass!

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                                                                                            • Odin
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Naja-ram
                                                                                              there is something that is not clear enough here:
                                                                                              no matter what the US thinks it can do when not holding back, military force cannot destory the fight core of Iran: the same reason Al Qaeda still exists, the same reason Hizbolla is still there after Israel's pathetic attack on them.
                                                                                              the more america doesn't "hold back" and the more she attacks with heavy tanks, air craft or whatever - the more the world will realize Iran is not something you can bring down by force.
                                                                                              You know how Germany dealt with hostile occupations in WWII? For every German soldier killed they marched out and shot dozens, or hundreds of people from the surronding villages. It solved the problems. The Muslim forces may be fanatical but, just as the Japanese were in WWII (remember they killed themselves to, shot to their last bullet and ran at the line with swords drawn only to be mowed down, and more). I am not in favour of it, in fact I am not in favour of the neo-con 'clash of civilisations', nor do I think it will achieve what they want.

                                                                                              I do agree that there are better ways to defeat extremism in the Middle East, but in reality it could be achieved military were the US not so concerned about how things would play at home. If the US is put back into a mindset, such as they were in WWII were dropping nukes doesn't even raise too much concern with the wider public, I don't think they'd have a major problem controlling Iran. The Japanese of WWII were even more fanatical than Iran is today (and MUCH more evenly armed), and look where they are now.
                                                                                              Last edited by Odin; 08-22-2006, 02:06 AM.
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                                                                                                • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Naja-ram
                                                                                                  you guys know nothing.
                                                                                                  there is no proof Iran wants nuke weapons ability, and it doesn't need it anyway, there 52,000 shahids in Iran ready for suicide bombing in america and the uk.
                                                                                                  the solution for this is simple - let Iran be, give Iran a chance, did you ever think that Iran is a peaceful country ? why do you have to believe everything you read, see and hear in your western media ?
                                                                                                  a peacefully country with 52,000 suicide bombers on standby?

                                                                                                  uhmmm.... HELLO!?!?!?


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                                                                                                    • Naja-ram
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                      a peacefully country with 52,000 suicide bombers on standby?

                                                                                                      uhmmm.... HELLO!?!?!?


                                                                                                      so america is a more peace seeking country with missles, tanks, aircrafts, bombs etc. ? same thing
                                                                                                      http://www.muslimmatrimonial.com/

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                                                                                                        • DWB
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          its... about... to... go... down...

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                                                                                                            • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Naja-ram
                                                                                                              so america is a more peace seeking country with missles, tanks, aircrafts, bombs etc. ? same thing
                                                                                                              Suicide bombers are not for striking military targets. they are for killing innocent, unarmed, men, women, old people and children. before you babble on with a weak, played out argument about sophisticated weapons possibly resulting in innocent civilian casualties when they do occur... let me repeat --> suicide bombers are ONLY for killing innocent people.


                                                                                                              wanting peace does not mean preparing for war, telling the international community to fuck off, alienating themselves from the world, encouraging people to scream "death to the USA" at every public event etc.

                                                                                                              wanting peace means reaching out and saying "hey man, lets talk" - not "the holucaust was a lie, isreal should be wiped off the map, its our right to have nuclear weapons so "fuck you" and death to the great satan"
                                                                                                              Last edited by Pleasurepays; 08-22-2006, 04:44 AM.

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                                                                                                                • Naja-ram
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                  Suicide bombers are not for striking military targets. they are for killing innocent, unarmed, men, women, old people and children.


                                                                                                                  wanting peace does not mean preparing for war, telling the international community to fuck off, alienating themselves from the world, encouraging people to scream "death to the USA" at every public event etc.

                                                                                                                  wanting peace means reaching out and saying "hey man, lets talk" - not "the holucaust was a lie, isreal should be wiped off the map, its our right to have nuclear weapons so "fuck you" and death to the great satan"
                                                                                                                  well than, I guess no children died at hiroshima when the US used it's "for striking military targets" bombs on hiroshima ? no children died when the US used it's "for striking military targets" bombs on Iraq ?
                                                                                                                  Last edited by Naja-ram; 08-22-2006, 04:49 AM.
                                                                                                                  http://www.muslimmatrimonial.com/

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                                                                                                                    • Naja-ram
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                      Suicide bombers are not for striking military targets. they are for killing innocent, unarmed, men, women, old people and children. before you babble on with a weak, played out argument about sophisticated weapons possibly resulting in innocent civilian casualties when they do occur... let me repeat --> suicide bombers are ONLY for killing innocent people.
                                                                                                                      oh ok, now let me comment on that edit.
                                                                                                                      doesn't america have responsibility on their weapons ? they are that ones the choose to use it in spite of what they knew would be the outcome: children dying.
                                                                                                                      why can't they try a different way? what harm will come to the world if they let Iran evolve ? is it worse then killing children with bombs? oh wait: killing children with bombs and then blaming the enemy for using those children as human shields ?
                                                                                                                      http://www.muslimmatrimonial.com/

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                                                                                                                        • Paul
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by pr0
                                                                                                                          think maybe it has more to do with the upcoming elections than a possible war?
                                                                                                                          Thats an excellent point, it could be the elections or it could be both. Would it not make perfect sense if something did happened just before the elections ?

                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Chief
                                                                                                                          You know how Germany dealt with hostile occupations in WWII? For every German soldier killed they marched out and shot dozens, or hundreds of people from the surronding villages. It solved the problems. The Muslim forces may be fanatical but, just as the Japanese were in WWII (remember they killed themselves to, shot to their last bullet and ran at the line with swords drawn only to be mowed down, and more).

                                                                                                                          I do agree that there are better ways to defeat extremism in the Middle East, but in reality it could be achieved military were the US not so concerned about how things would play at home. If the US is put back into a mindset, such as they were in WWII were dropping nukes doesn't even raise too much concern with the wider public, I don't think they'd have a major problem controlling Iran. The Japanese of WWII were even more fanatical than Iran is today (and MUCH more evenly armed), and look where they are now.
                                                                                                                          That?s a great post! A lot of people in this thread fail to see that fanatics are nothing new and the terrorism threat is so far exaggerated that it?s laughable

                                                                                                                          The worst part - Islamic extremism is the result of the last 50 years of British, American, Russian and Israeli policy in the Middle East. We helped create it by doing pretty much what we're doing again now: occupying the region in our own interest (i.e. oil).

                                                                                                                          We created the problem!!

                                                                                                                          The government response is not proportional to the threat. If the aim is to save lives, that can be much better achieved by other means and by tackling different problems. Of course we shouldn't ignore the threat of terrorism, but the vast sums of money spent so far in the name of The War Against Terror (TWAT) in Iraq and Afghanistan have increased the threat, not reduced it. That's like trying to persuade people to stop smoking by making cigarettes cheaper.

                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Chief
                                                                                                                          I am not in favour of it, in fact I am not in favour of the neo-con 'clash of civilisations', nor do I think it will achieve what they want.
                                                                                                                          Read this and let me know your thoughts, I think the article sums up nicely why we have been told that Iran is a threat

                                                                                                                          http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/GF04Ad07.html

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                                                                                                                            • Paul
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by pr0
                                                                                                                              think maybe it has more to do with the upcoming elections than a possible war?
                                                                                                                              Back to my question though Is that amount of terror drills normal ? Do you have that amount every month ? I've never noticed as many drills happen in so many states in such a short space of time

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                                                                                                                                • notabook
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Coatsy
                                                                                                                                  Back to my question though Is that amount of terror drills normal ? Do you have that amount every month ? I've never noticed as many drills happen in so many states in such a short space of time
                                                                                                                                  That?s what he?s trying to tell you that the drills that are occurring so quickly and so fast together are so the repubs can bolster support for their home team using scare tactics as they normally have in the past (think the ?Bin Laden Tape? released right before the 2k4 elections).

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                                                                                                                                    • Paul
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                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by notabook
                                                                                                                                      That?s what he?s trying to tell you that the drills that are occurring so quickly and so fast together are so the repubs can bolster support for their home team using scare tactics as they normally have in the past (think the ?Bin Laden Tape? released right before the 2k4 elections).
                                                                                                                                      Ah right, thanks

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                                                                                                                                        • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Naja-ram
                                                                                                                                          oh ok, now let me comment on that edit.
                                                                                                                                          doesn't america have responsibility on their weapons ? they are that ones the choose to use it in spite of what they knew would be the outcome: children dying.
                                                                                                                                          why can't they try a different way? what harm will come to the world if they let Iran evolve ? is it worse then killing children with bombs? oh wait: killing children with bombs and then blaming the enemy for using those children as human shields ?
                                                                                                                                          you can only try to turn attention away from suicide bombers because there is no rational argument that puts "50,000 suicide bombers ready" and "we just want peace" in the same sentence.

                                                                                                                                          the fact that you can't see the difference between military hardward designed to destroy other military hardware and/or military fighting units and a woman walking into a cafe to kill innocent men, women and children is exactly why people think you're an animal.

                                                                                                                                          intentionally killing innocent people and ONLY innocent people and innocent people who happen to get killed in conflict are very different things.

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                                                                                                                                            • Dollarmansteve
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                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Coatsy
                                                                                                                                              TWe created the problem!!
                                                                                                                                              that is a great topic for a research paper, but ignores reality.

                                                                                                                                              The source of the 'problem' is irrelevant to a solution. That is, we can whine and cry and point fingers and say "well it's everyone else's fault that there's terrorists", but what does how does that address a real, current issue? It doesnt.

                                                                                                                                              There are two kinds of people - those who look to lay the blame for a problem and those who look to fix it.
                                                                                                                                              I died.

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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
                                                                                                                                                  that is a great topic for a research paper, but ignores reality.

                                                                                                                                                  The source of the 'problem' is irrelevant to a solution. That is, we can whine and cry and point fingers and say "well it's everyone else's fault that there's terrorists", but what does how does that address a real, current issue? It doesnt.

                                                                                                                                                  There are two kinds of people - those who look to lay the blame for a problem and those who look to fix it.
                                                                                                                                                  thats also a point no one seems to get. arguments about "why" are far less important than "what needs to be done right now". handing out flowers and hugs is not going to stop terror organizations who rely solely on conflict as a source of power, to suddenly dismiss the very reason for their being and change their minds.

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                                                                                                                                                    • Dagwolf
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                                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2003
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Dollarmansteve

                                                                                                                                                      The source of the 'problem' is irrelevant to a solution.
                                                                                                                                                      If your frying pan catches on fire, its a good idea to turn off the burner before putting it out.
                                                                                                                                                      Sleep well, and dream of large women.

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                                                                                                                                                        • DaddyHalbucks
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                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2004
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by lushy
                                                                                                                                                          there are so many hidden forces at play that are hard to figure out...But I am betting the west is going to be forced into war with them

                                                                                                                                                          That's correct.

                                                                                                                                                          The Iranians want war.

                                                                                                                                                          Saddam played similar games with the US.
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                                                                                                                                                            • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Dagwolf
                                                                                                                                                              If your frying pan catches on fire, its a good idea to turn off the burner before putting it out.
                                                                                                                                                              thats a one sided analogy that assumes full blame rests on the part of one party. is north korea being threatened? no. does anyone threaten them? no. are they actively pursuing the development of nuclear weapons adn threatening others? yes. has all the US aid and western aid stopped them from a constant campaign for 50 years of convincing their population that they are still at war and under direct threat of attack?

                                                                                                                                                              no.

                                                                                                                                                              turn off the fire? how? by giving them oil, food and medicine for 10 years while they broke every agreement anyway? did it change their behaviors? no.


                                                                                                                                                              the world is not black and white. the causes are not black and white. the reasons are not black and white and the solutions are not black and white.

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                                                                                                                                                                • Paul
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
                                                                                                                                                                  that is a great topic for a research paper, but ignores reality.
                                                                                                                                                                  Ignores reality, how do you figure ? My point is the reality of the situation

                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
                                                                                                                                                                  The source of the 'problem' is irrelevant to a solution.
                                                                                                                                                                  Oh I beg to differ If you are the cause of a problem then the logical solution is to stop causing the problem.

                                                                                                                                                                  If you cause a fire, it doesn't help throwing gasoline all over it !

                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
                                                                                                                                                                  There are two kinds of people - those who look to lay the blame for a problem and those who look to fix it.
                                                                                                                                                                  Nah there are 2 types of people, those who believe everything that they are told by their media and there are those who question what they are told who try and seek out the truth.

                                                                                                                                                                  There are also those who see things in black and white or right and wrong and then there are those who see past the bullshit, who realize that everything works in different shades of gray

                                                                                                                                                                  Propaganda is to democracy what violence is to dictatorship

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Thrawn$
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      anyway Iran attacked 0 countries in the last 200 years and america attacked every country except canada and uk in the last century
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                                                                                                                                                                        • Paul
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                                                          thats a one sided analogy that assumes full blame rests on the part of one party. is north korea being threatened? no. does anyone threaten them? no. are they actively pursuing the development of nuclear weapons adn threatening others? yes. has all the US aid and western aid stopped them from a constant campaign for 50 years of convincing their population that they are still at war and under direct threat of attack?
                                                                                                                                                                          NK have developed Nukes, too late to do anything now. Ever thought that maybe thats the reason Iran wants Nukes ? To defend itself from invasion

                                                                                                                                                                          If you have sticks and stones and the person threatening you has guns, would you not seek out guns yourself to protect yourself ? Nukes have been proven to be a great deterent against countries trying to invade a country.

                                                                                                                                                                          If Iran had no oil then I would certainly understand America and Britain wanting to disarm Iran but Iran happens to have one of the largest oil reserves on the planet.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Paul
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              To China and Russia, Washington's "democratic reform program" is a thinly disguised method for the US to militarily dispose of unfriendly regimes in order to ensure the country's primacy as the world's sole superpower. The China-Iran-Russia alliance can be considered as Beijing's and Moscow's counterpunch to Washington's global ambitions. From this perspective, Iran is integral to thwarting the Bush administration's foreign policy goals. This is precisely why Beijing and Moscow have strengthened their economic and diplomatic ties with Tehran. It is also why Beijing and Moscow are providing Tehran with increasingly sophisticated weapons.
                                                                                                                                                                              Pleasurepays read this article its very interesting

                                                                                                                                                                              http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/GF04Ad07.html

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                                                                                                                                                                                • topshelfdesign
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  i reckon its gonna kick off big time!!

                                                                                                                                                                                  Im surpsied it didnt with north korea!

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • directfiesta
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Pleasurepays


                                                                                                                                                                                      wanting peace does not mean preparing for war, telling the international community to fuck off, alienating themselves from the world, encouraging people to scream "death to the USA" at every public event etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                      wanting peace means reaching out and saying "hey man, lets talk" -
                                                                                                                                                                                      What can you do .. They took the Bush Doctrine:

                                                                                                                                                                                      " Fuck you, I do as I want, I am right , God told me to, etc ..."
                                                                                                                                                                                      I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                                                                                      But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Rochard
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Iran has said that it will not rest until Isreal is wiped off the planet. Sounds like an act of war to me.
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • directfiesta
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Dollarmansteve

                                                                                                                                                                                              The source of the 'problem' is irrelevant to a solution.
                                                                                                                                                                                              If you are sick from food poisining, good idea to first stop eating, then replace the food .....
                                                                                                                                                                                              No use to takeanti-biotica to cure it, if you continue ingurgiting the poison ...

                                                                                                                                                                                              More terrorists today ( and way more motivated ) than in 2003 ....
                                                                                                                                                                                              I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                                                                                              But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • directfiesta
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Iran has said that it will not rest until Isreal is wiped off the planet. Sounds like an act of war to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Words are not acts of war ...
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                                                                                                  But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Dollarmansteve
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • May 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Coatsy
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Oh I beg to differ If you are the cause of a problem then the logical solution is to stop causing the problem.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      No, the problem is generationally seperated from the source. There is no way to remove the 'cause' if you are arguing that the cause is American/British/French middle-east policy for the past 100 years.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      What would the solution be, then? Precisely, you dont have a solution because you're more interested in trying to blame someone.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Coatsy
                                                                                                                                                                                                      If you cause a fire, it doesn't help throwing gasoline all over it !
                                                                                                                                                                                                      ugh, over-simplified grade-school analogies are on my top 10 list of most annoying things.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Coatsy
                                                                                                                                                                                                      There are also those who see things in black and white or right and wrong and then there are those who see past the bullshit, who realize that everything works in different shades of gray

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Propaganda is to democracy what violence is to dictatorship
                                                                                                                                                                                                      You are very talented in using alot of words to say absolutely nothing.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I died.

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