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Who are the webcam leaders

01-21-2009, 05:37 AM

I havent really worked in depth with this market since having a few solo girl sites with a page that refreshed every 30 seconds way back in the day of Jennicam.

Who do you think are the top companies in the genre and why?

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01-21-2009, 05:43 AM

Hay please check us out! www.needlive.com is our product and www.moneyverse.com is our program. We have great promos right now:

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01-21-2009, 05:47 AM

Originally posted by Mr. Romance

Hay please check us out! www.needlive.com is our product and www.moneyverse.com is our program. We have great promos right now:

Please check out this thread here:

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Isnt this a new program?

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01-21-2009, 06:11 AM

We find our top converting sponsor for webcams is http://www.LiveBucks.com, they have privatefeeds.com and camsters.com that have been doing great for us!

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01-21-2009, 06:18 AM

awempire is by far the best, no other cam site convert the way they do, i been promoteing only cams now for about 3 years and tried them all. the reason they convert so well ? their webmaster tools and their models do just about anything on cam .... you can find them in my sig link
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01-21-2009, 06:19 AM

webcams.com affiliate program for sure. Loads and I mean loads of promo material, real lifetime revshare. $100 per sale if that floats your boat, or even $42 per trial, which is very good if you have special traffic(wont go deeper into that). Many girls in many niches always online. That pretty much sum's it up I'd say. My no1 choice.

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01-21-2009, 06:20 AM

Originally posted by br4sco

awempire is by far the best, no other cam site convert the way they do, i been promoteing only cams now for about 3 years and tried them all. the reason they convert so well ? their webmaster tools and their models do just about anything on cam .... you can find them in my sig link

ye awe is nice but 14 day cookie is a son of a bitch IMO.

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01-21-2009, 06:20 AM

Originally posted by GonZo

Isnt this a new program?

No. I just came on with NeedLive on January 1st 2009. The owners have been in the Cam Business since 2000. They launched this program in 2007. Hit me up on icq 330 662 299 for more info.

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01-21-2009, 06:22 AM

webcamclub.com from datinggold sells, atleast with my traffic

sup gonz, when we gonna do some lunch?

want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.
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01-21-2009, 06:22 AM

streamate , mmtree work the best for me
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01-21-2009, 06:23 AM

also!
ill buy lunch, you give me one of those realtouch jammies

if its as amazing as the reviews, ill throw it into rotation in my traffic network

dead serious

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01-21-2009, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by brand0n

also!
ill buy lunch, you give me one of those realtouch jammies

if its as amazing as the reviews, ill throw it into rotation in my traffic network

dead serious

The press on that thing has been amazing hasnt it? Shows what happens when someone that knows how to work PR gets ahold of something and runs with it.

They say theres one here in the lab with my name on it. I havent seen it yet.

Ill let you know how it is after it gets a fat boy stress test.

Oh and guys with the ref codes. Just cuz I only have a few thousand posts here doesnt indicate how long Ive been doing this.

I got this.

Thanks Kenny for some honest information. Im in research mode...new year...time to fire some sponsors.

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01-21-2009, 06:41 AM

Originally posted by Niktamer

streamate , mmtree work the best for me

Yeah streamate my ass. Already had my fun with them when they redirected my traffic to go to AFF so it could be Zangoed.

Still waiting for Sean to get back to me on what happened but hes been at lunch for several years now.

Moneytree...an old school exploiter. They swallowed enough of my traffic many years ago.

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01-21-2009, 06:42 AM

gonz check out webcamclub from dating gold man, i send them pretty much all my webcam traffic

and no bullshit on lunch dude, sup?

i mean fuck you are 25 mins from me.

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01-21-2009, 06:45 AM

u know, you should also hit my myjah, she could prob work you out what ever it is you need and is an amazing person
http://www.gfy.com/member.php?u=25192
her gfy profile.

want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.
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01-21-2009, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by brand0n

gonz check out webcamclub from dating gold man, i send them pretty much all my webcam traffic

and no bullshit on lunch dude, sup?

i mean fuck you are 25 mins from me.

We do the mens club here from time to time come check out the new digs.

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01-21-2009, 06:49 AM

im talking lunch. not strippers, u know, shoot the shit, see if there is any common grounds we can make money with that kinda thing. if i wanna go blow $ on strippers i got plenty of flacky friends i can do that with at any time.

im just gonna bumrush your office one day.

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01-21-2009, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by brand0n

im talking lunch. not strippers, u know, shoot the shit, see if there is any common grounds we can make money with that kinda thing. if i wanna go blow $ on strippers i got plenty of flacky friends i can do that with at any time.

im just gonna bumrush your office one day.

You don't talk business with a good view?

Men's Club has a pretty kickin' lunch, actually.

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01-21-2009, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by GonZo

Oh and guys with the ref codes. Just cuz I only have a few thousand posts here doesnt indicate how long Ive been doing this.

I got this.

I know who you are.... I always include ref when I reccomend a sponsor, why shouldn't I, right?

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01-21-2009, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by brand0n

im talking lunch. not strippers, u know, shoot the shit, see if there is any common grounds we can make money with that kinda thing. if i wanna go blow $ on strippers i got plenty of flacky friends i can do that with at any time.

im just gonna bumrush your office one day.

Sure. Just let me know.

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01-21-2009, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by Nicky

I know who you are.... I always include ref when I reccomend a sponsor, why shouldn't I, right?

Dont matter to me either way. Im just doing research.

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01-21-2009, 07:13 AM

GonZo,

When you say leaders what does mean? Conversion rates? Quality of models? Payouts? Affiliate tools?Support? all of the above?

Your going to get alot of people posting in here with real bias opinions and people often believe the leaders are the webcam companies are ones that buy the most advertising space.

Each webcam company has its pros and cons for example some payout less on a white label and others pay on the free join. It all depends on what works with your traffic.

The more information you give your affiliate rep the more he can help you out. The differences between webcam companies may vary slightly but can make all the difference in the world.

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01-21-2009, 07:26 AM

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GonZo,

When you say leaders what does mean? Conversion rates? Quality of models? Payouts? Affiliate tools?Support? all of the above?

Your going to get alot of people posting in here with real bias opinions and people often believe the leaders are the webcam companies are ones that buy the most advertising space.

Each webcam company has its pros and cons for example some payout less on a white label and others pay on the free join. It all depends on what works with your traffic.

The more information you give your affiliate rep the more he can help you out. The differences between webcam companies may vary slightly but can make all the difference in the world.

All of the above. Im trying to educate myself on the topic before I start my spring projects of retooling mysites to work better with specific sponsors. This is a niche I havent worked with in the past that Id like to give a solid shot.

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01-21-2009, 07:28 AM

another rock solid guy in that area Dwreck.

want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.
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01-21-2009, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by GonZo

All of the above. Im trying to educate myself on the topic before I start my spring projects of retooling mysites to work better with specific sponsors. This is a niche I havent worked with in the past that Id like to give a solid shot.

lets talk about it! Whats your icq?

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01-21-2009, 08:03 AM

I would recommend to check out www.moocash.com - they're probably not that visible, but have been around for a while.

They were constantly among our best two sponsors when we used them with our studios a couple years ago and they have something new for their members coming up pretty much all the time to keep it interesting.

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01-21-2009, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by brand0n

u know, you should also hit my myjah, she could prob work you out what ever it is you need and is an amazing person
http://www.gfy.com/member.php?u=25192
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I agree - I would be willing to talk to you about CamZ anytime.

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01-21-2009, 08:34 AM

Hi Gonzo,

Let me try to answer your question directly.

1. Who are the webcam leaders and why?

In this industry there are a number of quality run programs that have demonstrated their leadership by consistently offering an outstanding product, providing you the tools necessary to market the product, a record of on time payments and to me most importantly those that offer you personal service and are willing to take the time to help you utilize their product the best to fit your needs.

So quality of product, marketing tools, consistent payment history and personal service separate the leaders from the pack.

With all that said Gonzo I welcome you to take a look at AlmightyContent's flagship webcam product Secretfriends that has been a staple with many established programs for over six years now.

1. Secretfriends has remained one of the Top 10 webcam products in the adult industry based on Alexa Rankings for the past four years along with receiving three consecutive XBIZ Award nominations.

2. Secretfriends offers ALL first time users 200 Free chat credits equaling 20 minutes of premium chat time with our beautiful Eastern European and Latina models

3. Secretfriends continues to provide your customer with the best chat value in the industy at $.99 to $1.49 per minute.

4. Secretfriends will offer you a competitive compensation plan designed to fit your specific needs.

5. Secretfriends is Always Free for you users to view totally nude and uncensored webcam shows anytime they like leading to a paid chat session when they are ready.

6. Secretfriends will continue to strengthen the foundation of our core business by adding more studios and more hot young webcam models to keep your customers happy.

So there you have it Gonzo. Hit me up anytime to chat or discuss anything you like. Who knows maybe we can get that Atlanta webmaster gathering together sometime soon with all the locals. Have a great day!

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01-21-2009, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by GonZo

All of the above. Im trying to educate myself on the topic before I start my spring projects of retooling mysites to work better with specific sponsors. This is a niche I havent worked with in the past that Id like to give a solid shot.

Hey Gonzo, brand0n already gave us a ringing endorsement but please feel free to talk with me one-on-one about our program. I'd be happy to answer any questions and also show you a few new things we're working on.
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01-21-2009, 09:08 AM

Search button helps a lot!

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01-21-2009, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by Dwreck

lets talk about it! Whats your icq?

Should be on your list. Interested on learning about the user experience as well as from a preformers prospective and what tools are availible for affiliates.
With your system as with any of the others.

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01-21-2009, 09:22 AM

There's quite a few 'leaders' in the cam biz. It really comes down to which site converts the best on your traffic, so trying a few out and determining your own results would probably be the best idea. With that said, here's a list of some of the leaders:

Neon Dollars - $150 Signup Bonus / 30% Lifetime Revshare / $30PPS

AWE - $100 Signup Bonus / $40PPS / 30% Revshare (14 day cookie)

MoneyVerse - $100 Signup Bonus / $35PPS / 20% Lifetime Revs

Cam Dough - 30% Lifetime Revshare / 60% VIP Purchases

Moo Cash - $35-$50PPS / 30%-35% Lifetime Revs / $25PPS+20%Revs Combo

Webcam Cash - 20% Lifetime Revs / $35-$75PPS

Money Tree - $40/Free CC Signup | 30% Lifetime Revs

Dating Gold - $50 PPS / 20% Lifetime Revshare

Pussy Cash - $100 PPS / 20% Lifetime Revshare

Webcams.com - $25 or $42PPS / 25% Lifetime Revshare

Camz - 25% Lifetime RevShare

Video Secrets - 20%-35% Lifetime Revshare

ARS Smut Cams - $40/Free CC or $75PPS

CamSense - 15%-40% Lifetime Revshare

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01-21-2009, 09:36 AM

I did a search for gonzo on my icq nothing came up. Hrmm can you add me 165 976 549

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01-21-2009, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Dwreck

I did a search for gonzo on my icq nothing came up. Hrmm can you add me 165 976 549

Im in the "NOT A COOL KID" group

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01-21-2009, 09:47 AM

Some of U try us

Is New, unsaturated, Latin Niche oriented.

We pay PPC and RevShare at same time.

And is converting very well up to 1:44

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01-21-2009, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by LatinCams

Some of U try us

Is New, unsaturated, Latin Niche oriented.

We pay PPC and RevShare at same time.

And is converting very well up to 1:44

Thanks. I dont see how you do it. Time to help me out with cams and give Serge advice on investing 500K.

You are a rock star!

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01-21-2009, 10:05 AM

don't know why people keep promoting webcams..

was never able to make a single sale there.. even on blogs where i have dozens of webcams banners and in the very bottom, a paysite banner. people still join to paysite.
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01-21-2009, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Lamis

don't know why people keep promoting webcams..

was never able to make a single sale there.. even on blogs where i have dozens of webcams banners and in the very bottom, a paysite banner. people still join to paysite.

my blog at http://www.camslivenow.com which has almost no traffic (between 5 to 15 uniques a day since I haven't really done anything to get traffic to it) has made 2 sales with webcams.com which earned me like $84. back in 2001 99% of my income was cam related and cams are still a very big business today. You just have to find the one(s) that work best for you with the traffic that you have.

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01-21-2009, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Lamis

don't know why people keep promoting webcams..

was never able to make a single sale there.. even on blogs where i have dozens of webcams banners and in the very bottom, a paysite banner. people still join to paysite.

Sounds more like a combo splog / banner farm.

I used to redirect users that were trading passwords on my paysites to a page like that.
Packaging it well usually got them to sign up to a free site because they were looking to do was freeload to begin with.

Know your surfer and their level of expectation.

Sorry for your lack of success.

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01-21-2009, 10:31 AM

cam4 is a true leader
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01-21-2009, 10:33 AM

GonZo. Hit me on ICQ. I have one we can talk about.

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01-21-2009, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by GonZo

Im in the "NOT A COOL KID" group

i need to start a cool kid group problem is i would be the only one in it! lol

I can some great resources, ideas and tips to help you out. Can you please add me to icq ot give me some sorta of contact info hint to help you out.

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01-21-2009, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by Lamis

don't know why people keep promoting webcams..

was never able to make a single sale there.. even on blogs where i have dozens of webcams banners and in the very bottom, a paysite banner. people still join to paysite.

Lamis,

I can understand your frustration. Whats the url to your blog? Who have you promoted in the past? What tools have you used? Do you use any type of white label?

Whats your icq I can help you get converting.

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01-21-2009, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by GonZo

I havent really worked in depth with this market since having a few solo girl sites with a page that refreshed every 30 seconds way back in the day of Jennicam.

Who do you think are the top companies in the genre and why?

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01-21-2009, 10:52 AM

www.livejasmin.com
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01-21-2009, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by GonZo

Yeah streamate my ass. Already had my fun with them when they redirected my traffic to go to AFF so it could be Zangoed.

On streamate they offer the possibility to redirect traffic from certain countries to another affiliate / or domain you own .Also check if you are console free or not . I really like this, since not too many webcam sponsors ask you where to redirect the unwanted traffic. I prefer to send them to a SEDO parked domain, you still get few bucks .

Streamate switch me from pay per free to rev share, i don't know why, and since then i make more $ & sign-ups with just few hits / day i send. It's a good sponsor. .

Here is my complete list of sponsors:

#1. AWEmpire (Livejasmin.com, MyCams.com, CameraBoys.com etc - 30% RevShare + $100 Signup Bonus!

#2. Mtree (Streamate.com, Streamen.com - $40 per free, 20% REVS)

#3. NEON Dollars (NeonCams.com - 30% lifetime REVS, $150 Signup Bonus + HOT promo tools + best White Label solution!

#4. Money Verse (NeedLive.com - 30% lifetime, nice promo tools)

#5. Interclimax (CamsAtHome.com and other few - 25% lifetime REVS, $140 PPS)

#6. Pay Serve (SeventeenLive.com, TopCams.nl - 50% lifetime REVS, payment in euros!)

#7. Cam Sense (Camcontacts.com, AllCams.com, Striphilo + many cam sites by niche)

#8. Webcams.com (Webcams.com - 25% lifetime REVS, $20 per free, $100 PPS + HOT promo tools)

#9. Adult Revenue Service (cam.smut.com - $40 per free / 75$ per active)

#10. Adult Cam Dollars (many sites - $100 PPS, 20% lifetime REVS)

#11. Peeks Cash (Peekshows.com - $100 Signup Bonus, 20% lifetime, nice promo tools)

#12. PussyCash (Imlive.com - $100 PPS, 20% lifetime.)

#13. Wild Cam Cash (Wildorchidz.com -30% - 35% REVS or 40$ - 150$ Per member + 100$ signup bonus)

#14. Webcam Cash (CamClub.com, Spread4U.com - 20% lifetime REVS)

#15. Live Bucks (Privatefeeds.com, VipCams.com - 25% to 40% lifetime REVS)

#16. Almighty Content (SecretFriends.com, MyCamFriends.com and more - 25% to 35% lifetime REVS)

#17. Streamray (Cams.com - 130$ PPS , 20% lifetime REVS)

#18. Moo Cash (many sites - $25 per initial sale + 20% lifetime REVS)

#19. CamZ (Camz.com - 20% lifetime REVS , new $100 PPS)

#20. Carpediem (EuroLive.com - 25% lifetime REVS , great promo tools)

#21. Cupido Cash (CupidoCam.com, gay cam site - 30% to 50% lifetime REVS)

#22. Dating Gold (WebcamClub.com + many dating sites - $150 PPS , 35% lifetime REVS)

#23. Love Sexy Cash (great white labels for phone chat & webcam - 25% lifetime REVS)

#24. Pornication Cash (Pornication.com - 20% lifetime REVS)

#25. Visit X (Visit-X.net - 50 Euros signup bonus, 40% lifetime REVS, hot promo tools)
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01-21-2009, 11:20 AM

Thanks to all of you board whores that cut and paste your ref code but its not what Im looking for...

Derrick Im at 130838000

Im looking to get a feel for what tools webcam sites offer to affiliates as well as performers, I want to know what the user experience is like as well as what the preformer sees from their end.

Like I said Im doing research.

If your a cam site person that can supply me with that information then send it to [email protected] along with your contact information and Ill make an evaluation to discuss with you how I can match my traffic to the user experience on your site.

Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!
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01-21-2009, 11:42 AM

Gonzo please check out ImLive.com.

currently we have 29,000 hosts and growing more every day.
We have 1000 - 1700 hosts online in every given moment.

We have 14 main niches and over 150 sub niches, we cater to any fantasy your users will have and we have many features for the user to enjoy.

I would suggest you to take a look at what cam sites offer and make your pick, hit me up so I can give you some free credit to see how it works.

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01-21-2009, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by GonZo

Thanks to all of you board whores that cut and paste your ref code but its not what Im looking for...

Derrick Im at 130838000

Im looking to get a feel for what tools webcam sites offer to affiliates as well as performers, I want to know what the user experience is like as well as what the preformer sees from their end.

Like I said Im doing research.

If your a cam site person that can supply me with that information then send it to [email protected] along with your contact information and Ill make an evaluation to discuss with you how I can match my traffic to the user experience on your site.

Sent you an email, please let me know if you receive it and that it didn't end up in the spam box.
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01-21-2009, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by Nicky

ye awe is nice but 14 day cookie is a son of a bitch IMO.

yea but if you build your sites the right way, you can get them cookied over and over again, i make more off of people on AWE with the 14 day cookie then life time programs, so that tellls me one of 2 things, either guys dont keep spending on their girls or i am being riped off by the site owners
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