DRAMA: Why the fuck would Teendreams fuck over Tastydollars like this?

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  • joy
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    • Jan 2003
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    DRAMA: Why the fuck would Teendreams fuck over Tastydollars like this?

    http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=644237

    They open up a site called Sweet Denisa 3-6 months after TastyDollars opened up opend up www.tastygina.com and you use her REAL name, Denisa?

    Im mean fuck, let a year or 2 pass before using the same fucking model for the same type solo site, for fucks sake LOL.

    Lets keep fucking eachother in the ass instead of working together...aight?
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    • Amnesic
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        • Adult Warden
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          thats whats hot!

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            • RayBonga
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              • Nov 2005
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              This could get interesting

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                • joy
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                  #5
                  Originally posted by Adult Warden
                  thats whats hot!
                  You mean fucking each other in the ass? Yes i've been seeing that allot, your right

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                    • L-Pink
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                      • Mar 2005
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                      #6
                      They don't look the same to me?

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                        • sweetcuties
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                          I've got a pregnant fetish

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                            • joy
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                              #8
                              Originally posted by L-Pink
                              They don't look the same to me?
                              Its the same model and they use her REAL name....cmon!

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                                • tranza
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                                  • Jun 2003
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                                  Uhmmmmmm....
                                  I'm just a newbie.

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                                    • madawgz
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                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Amnesic
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                                      same here

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                                        • fris
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                                            • spacedog
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                                              • Nov 2001
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                                              #12
                                              who gives a flying fuck?

                                              there's several sologirl sites of same models...

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                                                • joy
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                                                  #13
                                                  TastyDollars is owned (correct me if im wrong) by the same guy(s) who owns Submitpasses. I willing to bet that TeenDreams wont be seeing much traffic from them.

                                                  And If I know Ray and Johnny, this willl get ugly (i have had the pleasure lol) fast

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                                                    • Amnesic
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                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by spacedog
                                                      who gives a flying fuck?

                                                      there's several sologirl sites of same models...
                                                      exemple?

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                                                        • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
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                                                          I'm glad I heard about this. I didn't know that tastygina and sweetdenisa were using the same model I was going to shoot for my new site SweetTastyVagina.

                                                          I'm outraged!!!

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                                                            • joy
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                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by spacedog
                                                              who gives a flying fuck?

                                                              there's several sologirl sites of same models...
                                                              True, but not within the same year, let alone a few months apart.

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                                                                • OMG Jim
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                                                                    • spacedog
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                                                                      • Nov 2001
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Amnesic
                                                                      exemple?
                                                                      cherry potter
                                                                      heidi honey
                                                                      ashley lightspeed


                                                                      there's quite a few really..

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                                                                        • dunefield
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                                                                          I'd hit it...


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                                                                            • joy
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                                              SweetTastyVagina
                                                                              I have one and that still turns me on LOL

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                                                                                • L-Pink
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                                                                                  • Mar 2005
                                                                                  • 39151
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                                                  I'm glad I heard about this. I didn't know that tastygina and sweetdenisa were using the same model I was going to shoot for my new site SweetTastyVagina.

                                                                                  I'm outraged!!!

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                                                                                  Rename it SweetTastyAss and shoot her from behind.

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                                                                                    • spacedog
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                                                                                      • Nov 2001
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by joy
                                                                                      True, but not within the same year, let alone a few months apart.
                                                                                      & why is it dream-cash's fault? I'd say too fucking bad to TastyDollars if they didn't get the model to agree to be exclusive to them..

                                                                                      This is what happens when people use non exclusive content for a sologirls paysite too, (if the content was bought),.


                                                                                      You know, if anyone is to blame here, it's the model, not the program,

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                                                                                        • V_RocKs
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                                                                                          • Nov 2003
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Thought she looked familiar.

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                                                                                            • Ray@TastyDollars
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Lol. I can't even have dinner without my cell ringing.

                                                                                              I got yo admit, this was a very ficking stupid thing to do....peaonslly I would never do such a thing to another program, but that's me.

                                                                                              Joy is right, allot of ass ficking going on!

                                                                                              This is the first and last time I speak out on this.

                                                                                              Oh and spacedog! Do you really think our content is non exclusive? Please get a clue

                                                                                              Ray

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                                                                                                • spacedog
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                                                                                                  • Nov 2001
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Ray
                                                                                                  Lol. I can't even have dinner without my cell ringing.

                                                                                                  I got yo admit, this was a very ficking stupid thing to do....peaonslly I would never do such a thing to another program, but that's me.

                                                                                                  Joy is right, allot of ass ficking going on!

                                                                                                  This is the first and last time I speak out on this.

                                                                                                  Oh and spacedog! Do you really think our content is non exclusive? Please get a clue

                                                                                                  Ray
                                                                                                  Um, obviously the model fucking isnt. If you had the model on an exclusive contract, this wouldnt be happening now.. so get a fucking clue... No fucking shit sherlock, nobody said it wasnt exclusive content, so learn how to read...I don't give a fucking rats ass about your content, I was talking about your stupid model that obviously screwed you...
                                                                                                  Last edited by spacedog; 08-14-2006, 02:19 PM.

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                                                                                                    • Ray@TastyDollars
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                                                                                                      Ps I'm posting from my blackberry, excuse my typepin

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                                                                                                        • joy
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by spacedog
                                                                                                          Um, obviously the model fucking isnt. If you had the model on an exclusive contract, this wouldnt be happening now.. so get a fucking clue... I don't give a fucking rats ass about your content, I was talking about your stupid model that obviously screwed you...
                                                                                                          Model? LOL what the fuck deos she know, all she knows is see is getting $100 and the vid will go online....LOL

                                                                                                          TeenDreams is at fault not Tastydollars and not the model, they coulld have choosen another model..simple.

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                                                                                                            • spacedog
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                                                                                                              • Nov 2001
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by joy
                                                                                                              Model? LOL what the fuck deos she know, all she knows is see is getting $100 and the vid will go online....LOL

                                                                                                              TeenDreams is at fault not Tastydollars and not the model, they coulld have choosen another model..simple.
                                                                                                              Well, too bad isnt it.. business is business.. So, no program or paysite should use a model if another program already uses them?? Give me a break..



                                                                                                              Take a look at Jaymancash, mayors money, mobbucks, panchodog, etc.. nothing like this would happen to them, because I am certain that they have a contract with their models that the model is exclusive to them & their program only.. SO, teendreams aka dreamcash isn't to blame for this.. it is the lack of proper planning contract wise with the model.. (& I am assuming the possibility that tasty dollars did not obtain the model on exclusivity..If they did, then it's still the models fault & not dreamcash)

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                                                                                                                • Tempest
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                                                                                                                  • May 2004
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by spacedog
                                                                                                                  who gives a flying fuck?

                                                                                                                  there's several sologirl sites of same models...
                                                                                                                  And yet you come on her crying like a little baby every time someone screws you over... Fucking hypocrit...

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                                                                                                                    • joy
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by spacedog
                                                                                                                      Well, too bad isnt it.. business is business.. So, no program or paysite should use a model if another program already uses them?? Give me a break..



                                                                                                                      Take a look at Jaymancash, mayors money, mobbucks, panchodog, etc.. nothing like this would happen to them, because I am certain that they have a contract with their models that the model is exclusive to them & their program only.. SO, teendreams aka dreamcash isn't to blame for this.. it is the lack of proper planning contract wise with the model.. (& I am assuming the possibility that tasty dollars did not obtain the model on exclusivity..If they did, then it's still the models fault & not dreamcash)
                                                                                                                      Many programs use the same model, yes. But not for the same type SOLO site. Its wrong on every level in my book. Very bad biz any way you look at it.

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                                                                                                                        • JD
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                                                                                                                            • Phil
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                                                                                                                              thats not right... maybe its the model herself???
                                                                                                                              Ask Phil

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                                                                                                                                • spacedog
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                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2001
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by joy
                                                                                                                                  Many programs use the same model, yes. But not for the same type SOLO site. Its wrong on every level in my book. Very bad biz any way you look at it.
                                                                                                                                  ok, so cheesfrog shouldn't have Idreamofjana because avatarcash has janarocks...

                                                                                                                                  & what about braincash with cherrypotter.. I can't recall the name of the site, but that chick has 2 sites with 2 programs too...

                                                                                                                                  There's quite a few of them out there actually.. more than you think.

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                                                                                                                                    • MaDalton
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                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2004
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by spacedog
                                                                                                                                      Um, obviously the model fucking isnt. If you had the model on an exclusive contract, this wouldnt be happening now.. so get a fucking clue... No fucking shit sherlock, nobody said it wasnt exclusive content, so learn how to read...I don't give a fucking rats ass about your content, I was talking about your stupid model that obviously screwed you...

                                                                                                                                      just to clarify that: the content of www.tastygina.com is exclusive to that site - the model isn't. usually the girls have no idea what happens with their pics - they get paid and that's it.

                                                                                                                                      and now it's debatable whether Teendreams should have chosen another girl, or Tasty Dollars should have hired her exclusively or if the Internet is big enough for 2 sites of her.

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                                                                                                                                        • spacedog
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                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2001
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                                                                          And yet you come on her crying like a little baby every time someone screws you over... Fucking hypocrit...
                                                                                                                                          Dude, if I shot a model & made a sologirl site & then shortly after seen another program with a sologirl site with the same model, I would feel so fucking stupid for not getting the model to sign the damn contract to be exclusive.. (assuming this is the possible scenario here., if they have a contract, it's the models fault.. if they dont have one, it's thier own fault..)

                                                                                                                                          All I am saying is that dreamcash aka teendreams did not screw anyone over or do anything wrong here..

                                                                                                                                          Look at this too,, there's a very likelyhood that they never even seen tastydollars or tastygina.. what, you think they're a big program or something.
                                                                                                                                          Last edited by spacedog; 08-14-2006, 02:36 PM.

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                                                                                                                                            • Amnesic
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                                                                                                                                              I guess the model make more money this way? I can't blame her..

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                                                                                                                                                • DamageX
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Boo fucking hoo. Want a girl to stay exclusive to one site? Get her to sign a contract for it. Until then, this isn't the first and will sure as hell not be the last time this happens. If you leave money on the table, someone will pick it up, eventually. Deal with it and move on.
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                                                                                                                                                    • Tempest
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                                                                                                                                                      • May 2004
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by spacedog
                                                                                                                                                      Dude, if I shot a model & made a sologirl site & then shortly after seen another program with a sologirl site with the same model, I would feel so fucking stupid for not getting the model to sign the damn contract to be exclusive.. (assuming this is the possible scenario here., if they have a contract, it's the models fault.. if they dont have one, it's thier own fault..)

                                                                                                                                                      All I am saying is that dreamcash aka teendreams did not screw anyone over or do anything wrong here..

                                                                                                                                                      Look at this too,, there's a very likelyhood that they never even seen tastydollars or tastygina.. what, you think they're a big program or something.
                                                                                                                                                      In the majority of cases like this, it's the program that's gone after the model.. It's almost always one company fucking over another one... And there's so many girls out there that there's really no need for it.

                                                                                                                                                      Yes.. tastydollars is a small program... But they're tight with the sites that sell a SHIT LOAD of traffic in this business... Anyone that buys traffic etc. has got to know that... So it's even more idiotic business to fuck yourself like that because not only could they be blacklisted from those traffic sources but also all of their friends.

                                                                                                                                                      There are always ramifications to something like this and it's not smart business.

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                                                                                                                                                        • spacedog
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                                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2001
                                                                                                                                                          • 14149
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                                                                                          In the majority of cases like this, it's the program that's gone after the model.. It's almost always one company fucking over another one... And there's so many girls out there that there's really no need for it.

                                                                                                                                                          Yes.. tastydollars is a small program... But they're tight with the sites that sell a SHIT LOAD of traffic in this business... Anyone that buys traffic etc. has got to know that... So it's even more idiotic business to fuck yourself like that because not only could they be blacklisted from those traffic sources but also all of their friends.

                                                                                                                                                          There are always ramifications to something like this and it's not smart business.

                                                                                                                                                          Well of course the program went after the model, that's usually how it is, but I doubt they did it to screw over ray on purpose, & you're right about the traffic sources too,.. fuckit.. maybe they can cross sell each other
                                                                                                                                                          Last edited by spacedog; 08-14-2006, 02:48 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Mr. Soul
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                                                                                                                                                                      hmm, what do you expect when you make a solo girl site with a girl you don't have under exclusive contract? Everyone else should stop using the content they bought? Get real.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          not sure about all this drama,but that model is hella cute....
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • YDG
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                                                                                                                                                                                              Joy...

                                                                                                                                                                                              Firstly TeenDreams is not fucking over Tasty Dollars. We've been in business 9 years and never fucked over anyone.

                                                                                                                                                                                              We have had exclusive content of Denisa for 2 years now. Our own photography crew have shot this (very cute) girl several times, and also other photographers shoot her regularily on our behalf. She is under no exclusive contract with anyone. We therefore have the right to use our exclusive content in way we want.

                                                                                                                                                                                              It must be said, we had no idea there was another solo girl site featuring Denisa. We make business decisions to choose models for our solo girl sites which will sell memberships. We own the content, we have that right. Also, SweetDenisa has been a work in progress for 6 months. Well before TasyGina was launched.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Secondly, there are a many girls who appear in more than one solo site. This is not uncommon, so I don't really see what your problem is?

                                                                                                                                                                                              In summary. Joy is suggesting we check every damn solo girl site on the internet before launching a site of our own just in case someone happens to have beaten us to it!

                                                                                                                                                                                              Well, maybe joy has more time on his/her hands then we do.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by spacedog
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Um, obviously the model fucking isnt. If you had the model on an exclusive contract, this wouldnt be happening now.. so get a fucking clue... No fucking shit sherlock, nobody said it wasnt exclusive content, so learn how to read...I don't give a fucking rats ass about your content, I was talking about your stupid model that obviously screwed you...
                                                                                                                                                                                                  That's a great idea, got $50,000 for the model?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bottom line is it's too expensive, none of the solo girl sites can afford it. Unless they can find a girl who is not working already and willing to do a deal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Girls like Gina B. are in this business to make money and they ain't going to make it signing up to one program.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  A lot of the solo girls sites with Czech girls I've already shot, some of them I was the first and shot them when they were brand new. But not Gina.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  So if you want to promote either of these sites and not have content that's with 100 other affiliates you know where to get it from.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Next time you want a solo girl site with a girl who is not already all over the Net hit me up.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I will bet a cent to a dollar Gina B. has worked for Max Candy and already all around the Net.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Forgot to add you did a great job shooting her.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Last edited by Paul Markham; 08-15-2006, 01:18 AM.



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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by YDG
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Joy...

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Firstly TeenDreams is not fucking over Tasty Dollars. We've been in business 9 years and never fucked over anyone.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      We have had exclusive content of Denisa for 2 years now. Our own photography crew have shot this (very cute) girl several times, and also other photographers shoot her regularily on our behalf. She is under no exclusive contract with anyone. We therefore have the right to use our exclusive content in way we want.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      It must be said, we had no idea there was another solo girl site featuring Denisa. We make business decisions to choose models for our solo girl sites which will sell memberships. We own the content, we have that right. Also, SweetDenisa has been a work in progress for 6 months. Well before TasyGina was launched.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Secondly, there are a many girls who appear in more than one solo site. This is not uncommon, so I don't really see what your problem is?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      In summary. Joy is suggesting we check every damn solo girl site on the internet before launching a site of our own just in case someone happens to have beaten us to it!

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well, maybe joy has more time on his/her hands then we do.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Good reply Gordon, I think you were buying our stuff of her from the beginning. So I wonder who had her first?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      If anyone really wants to make a site with a girl who is not all over the Net they need to get her right at the beginning of her career. They need to make sure she is not with 2/3 big agents. They need to find a shooter who has long contacts and gets girls who are not in the middle of their career and working 2-3 days a week, earning $500 or more a day.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      But maybe some of those guys don't work for peanuts.



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