I would never sell a $60k/month site for $1M.
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with 1$ million dollars you dont have to work and its enought money to live for 100 years.Originally posted by Jer:
I would never sell a $60k/month site for $1M.Comment
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something called taxes. depending where you live (I'm in Canada) the tax is 46.9% once you get over 100K
we'll miss you our friend. RIPComment
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Here in Brazil max tax is 27,5% (good if you make lots of money, if you don't it sucks).
Making just US$ 800 you have to pay 27,5%.
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But working for more 1,5 year you would make $1M and you still have a good income after that. (And if you're young, no work for years sucks).Originally posted by sasush:
with 1$ million dollars you dont have to work and its enought money to live for 100 years.
I love my job. It is my challenge. If my projects works well, it's a victory and a fantastic feeling. I would think for a long long time about selling my business. It's part of my life. Did I say I love this job?
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But for $3M ...
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Hello realed, Could you tell me please, how much you pay the big tpgs for your ads, does it returns the investment and is it cheaper than paying per signups.
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I'm with lens on valuation - I'd go as far as 6 months profit. I'm also with a few of these other guys that say that the management team adds character/personality that in many cases can't be replicated....and they also add expierence (2 years is a long time) that CAN NOT easily be passed on.
and just so I agree with (and add little of my own original thought to this thread) everybody on this board... I'm with the last few people that posted... WHY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH WOULD YOU CONSIDER SELLING? Assuming you got the net present value of the next 6 month's profit (plus a premium for brand name recognition & a second premium for work expierence & a final premium for selling your management/staff to the future owner)...Could you invest that money in another project that would bring you a better return over the next 10 years...than if you were to continue to own your sites.
I love mine...their current returns and future potential is too great to consider selling for what price somebody would give me...and they provide me too much happiness.
Maybe you just need a vacation! =)
~Brett
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I'm with lens on valuation - I'd go as far as 6 months profit. I'm also with a few of these other guys that say that the management team adds character/personality that in many cases can't be replicated....and they also add expierence (2 years is a long time) that CAN NOT easily be passed on.
and just so I agree with (and add little of my own original thought to this thread) everybody on this board... I'm with the last few people that posted... WHY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH WOULD YOU CONSIDER SELLING? Assuming you got the net present value of the next 6 month's profit (plus a premium for brand name recognition & a second premium for work expierence & a final premium for selling your management/staff to the future owner)...Could you invest that money in another project that would bring you a better return over the next 10 years...than if you were to continue to own your sites.
I love mine...their current returns and future potential is too great to consider selling for what price somebody would give me...and they provide me too much happiness.
Maybe you just need a vacation! =)
~Brett
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I've heard 3 months from many people... I think it was either Shap or TheDoc that was telling me how they had sold some really large sites and I think the numbers were over the million $ mark... Maybe ask those guys.
Personally I'd never buy another site, but if I was I'd probably want to know how much of the site depends on your own personal unique skills, and also where your traffic is coming from...
Like someone else said though -- you could sell a site -- and start over and still kick ass... in fact I could sell a site, but all the traffic would follow me *grin*
I've thought of selling a site before -- but all my sites seem to involve custom cgi or java code that only I know how to operate... so if I sold the site -- I would also be selling some kind of software training along with it -- which seems like a pain in the ass. I think selling a large TGP site would be a lot easier because you are basically working off of bookmarker loyalty -- which is easy to keep -- no offense, but a TGP is pretty much a no brainer once you have the bookmarker traffic output -- so selling a no brainer site is a lot easier.
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thanks for the info mate.... How do I contact those guys?...
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Look at the counter at Free Project Voyeur...
Ahhh count to 10 and do a refresh.
Gets an average of 1 hit a sec.
Just think of those signups.Comment
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hehehehe....
I just got 5 hits.... maybe I count to slow!
lol
www.projectvoyeur.com/pvmain.htm
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Lensman I read your 3-6 months profits what a porn biz is worth.
Man I would never sell my company for that.
I assume that is for TGP sites or something like that.
I mean would you sell Amateur pages for 3-6 months profits? I think not.
either would I :-p
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I like to see that !!!Originally posted by TheRealEd:
I have a tracker script installed on my domain that tells me who refers my paying members..... I will post some stats later if you guys are interested....
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Thanks Kenjin, I will look at that resource now :-)
Cheers
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Set up a corporation. Don't claim anything as personal income unless you have to. Business taxes are only 18%, and those are ONLY on what the business makes as PROFIT. The business spends its money BEFORE it pays taxes. People pay taxes on their income up to 50%, and then spend what remains.Originally posted by quiet:
something called taxes. depending where you live (I'm in Canada) the tax is 46.9% once you get over 100K
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Ed, you have a profitable business and are very succesful, Lots of webmasters would love to see those numbers. Like you said it would have to be a great offer for youn to sell. You have lot that comes with the site that not all is being accounted for believe me I know.Comment
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TheRealEd,
I have seen your posts over time. You are very generous with the information you provide which is a rarity. I don't know about the others, but I would definitely be interested in learning how you started, the various promos you did, milestones, amount of capital started with, etc. It takes a lot of effort to get as large as you have.
I hope that I am not asking too much!
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Only problem with selling an adult web business is the fact that no one knows what may happen with the gov't in regards to legistating or litigating.
Terry if you are seriously looking to sell, let me know, I've got someone who is seriously considering buying decent, well run businesses, which I know yours is.Comment
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KimmyKim, like most in this business I would sell if the price was right. I think everything has a price....
email me at [email protected]
or ICQ me @ 132882614
I look forward to hearing from you :-)
Terry
P.S - InTheBlue, I will post more tips on how to get started very soon :-)Comment
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KimmyKim, hit me up on ICQ when you get a chance please. I need to speak o you :-)
Thanks
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I really liked this tread. Are there any more thoughts on it? 25 - 27 times Net Monthly profits sounds like a reasonable price for a solid adult business.Comment
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you guys have no understanding of this topic.Originally posted by OnTime:
I really liked this tread. Are there any more thoughts on it? 25 - 27 times Net Monthly profits sounds like a reasonable price for a solid adult business.
I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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TheRealEd,
Is voymaster your site as well? I see he is on both on projectvoyeur's and thetruevoyeurs's links pages..
BigPimpin,
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hello Ed?
and Voymaster.com, he sure has got some "primo placed" tgp spots on your tgp site you mentioned in your first post. Who is he? the same right?
BVComment
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Nope, voymaster is just a friend/advertiser
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Oh Yah?
Hmmm. So you are friends and do business with a fucking THIEF?Comment
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I smell ill gotten gains.Comment
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the term 'fucking thief' has become very popular here.we'll miss you our friend. RIPComment
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Then please, fill us in. Many people would like info on this sort of thing I would Think.Originally posted by 12clicks:
you guys have no understanding of this topic.
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How is he a theif?...
Please backup your allegations. I have traded with this guy for about 1 year and I believe his business practices to be fair.... If you can prove otherwise then I would love to hear it....
Regards
Terry
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Because he's got my Mother Fucking Pictures in his members area! That's Why! and If you are not one of the same, where the fuck is he at and why isn't he here defending himself if I'm lying?
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smart money wouldn't pay more than 6 months for an up and running paysite. They'll pay nothing for a tgp or "other" type of site.Originally posted by OnTime:
Then please, fill us in. Many people would like info on this sort of thing I would Think.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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BV, email me and I will try and help you out... I have contact details for him...
Terry
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bv called me a fucking thief and he was right we did have some of his stuff, since we have all that behind us and we worked out a deal together everything is cool
stealing stuff is bad
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Great thread here, lots of good info.
It's damn annoying what the cheaters get away with these days, stealing content, spamming, etc.. I would contribute to a centralized fund to hire mercenaries and "neutralize" cheaters the proper way. ;>
Cheers,
Backov
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Hmm... In most cases I'd agree -- unless you were buying a TGP that was rooted deep in search engines. Then again a TGP is a lot of work -- and works sucks -- so I guess I'll agree w/ 12Clicks ;)Originally posted by 12clicks:
They'll pay nothing for a tgp or "other" type of site.
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One again 12click talks out of his ass. Traffic is worth money, not just because it's a paysite. It's easy to have a few customers lined up for a paysite showing revenue that all leave the second a site is bought. Much harder to fake traffic flow. (can be done though)Originally posted by 12clicks:
smart money wouldn't pay more than 6 months for an up and running paysite. They'll pay nothing for a tgp or "other" type of site.
The market value on TGPs and similar free sites is the bookmarks. Currently sites go for about $1/bookmark. And some BIG ones sold in this price range recently. Anything bought less than that is a STEAL, and smart money buys TGP sites at 50cents on the dollar or less without hesitation. The trades above the bookmarks have no real value, so third party stats become important to verify, as well as if traffic is being fed into a site from other urls on a meta refresh or the like. Saying a TGP is worthless is as dumb a statement as saying a community newspaper with a 1,000,000/day circulation is worthless. Advertising revenue is not something to be ignored. Some are worthless, but many have REAL value.
This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
Now read without the word dog.Comment
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Son, you're clueless.Originally posted by SleazyDream:
It's easy to have a few customers lined up for a paysite showing revenue that all leave the second a site is bought. Much harder to fake traffic flow. (can be done though)
go sell your mighty tgp for what you think its worth. let me know when you have a buyer.
Traffic disappears far faster than revenue.
traffic is cheap.
Signups talk, your bullshit walks.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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With my VISA card I can make revenue disappear faster than the speed of light :pOriginally posted by 12clicks:
Traffic disappears far faster than revenue.
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like your card is still accepted online.Originally posted by TheFLY:
With my VISA card I can make revenue disappear faster than the speed of light
I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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How did you find out?! Hehe...Originally posted by 12clicks:
like your card is still accepted online.
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Maybe traffic only disappears when YOU buy a site...................Originally posted by 12clicks:
Traffic disappears far faster than revenue.
traffic is cheap.
Signups talk, your bullshit walks.
This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
Now read without the word dog.Comment
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[quote]Originally posted by SleazyDream:
you're pretty good with your comeback lines.Maybe traffic only disappears when YOU buy a site...................
I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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