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This, plus the IANA turning into the U.N. will make any form of research and prosecution null and void.. unless there's an election somewhere. ;) -
Wonder what kind of backroom shady shit was required to get that passed.ISLAND DOLLARS
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I don't give a shit about US laws. Not that I'm breaking any of them...Comment
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you guys?
dude this isnt bout the common EU site selling furniture, I dont think the guys mentioned in that article are here.
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you have to break your owns contrys laws...not some stupid U.S law
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I doubt anyone is sweating it. They have a hard time getting accused murderers extradited.Comment
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But if you did, the US now has a right to go after you and have your country do all the investigating and prosecution.Originally posted by he-foxComment
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Not true.Originally posted by TheSwedyou have to break your owns contrys laws...not some stupid U.S law
Law enforcement officials in a particular nation would be forced under this treaty to cooperate with investigations of behavior that is illegal in another country but perfectly legal within their borders.Comment
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If it makes you feel better, feel free to think that.Comment
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One reason more to not live in only one country.Originally posted by pocketkangarooComment
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Law enforcement officials in a particular nation would be forced under this treaty to cooperate with investigations of behavior that is illegal in another country but perfectly legal within their borders.
I dont know where you Quoted that from but its f-cking bull-shit
and if you dont belive that check piratebay.org it's a swedish site and torrent files are not illegal in Sweden.Comment
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When will the US learn that it does not run the Internet ?
Same old shit...different day
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I don't know if Sweden is part of the treaty. They may not be.Originally posted by TheSwed
As for where I got that information from:
http://news.google.com/news?sourceid...22&sa=N&tab=wn
There are about 200 articles that detail what this treaty does.Comment
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Wars have been fought over much smaller things than this. Chances are good the first instance of enforcement will cause a HUGE public backlash in whatever country it occurs, further fueling anti American sentiments. It was interesting to note they set the age limit on 'child pornography' at under 16.
It's amazing that the same rhetoric that is being used to take away civil rights in the U.S. is now attempted to be applied abroad. The SAME hot button, catch-all phrases. Fighting terrorism and child pornography. But at the end of the day, this is just another press release. And a huge waste of money to divert attention from real problems. Incredible.2 For the purpose of paragraph 1 above, the term "child pornography" shall include pornographic material that visually depicts:
a a minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct;
b a person appearing to be a minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct;
c realistic images representing a minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct.
3 For the purpose of paragraph 2 above, the term "minor" shall include all persons under 18 years of age. A Party may, however, require a lower age-limit, which shall be not less than 16 years.
4 Each Party may reserve the right not to apply, in whole or in part, paragraphs 1, sub-paragraphs d. and e, and 2, sub-paragraphs b. and c.ISLAND DOLLARS
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Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
LOL, no they are not - no one appart from the US has signed this treaty..... and IMHO no EU counrty ever will
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The convention had been signed by 38 European nations plus the United States, Canada, Japan and South Africa.Originally posted by wizhardLOL, no they are not - no one appart from the US has signed this treaty..... and IMHO no EU counrty ever will
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Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...080400479.htmlComment
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You can find the full text of Council of Europe Convention on Cybercrime here.
And the section that might inspire nervousness, as it pertains to the adult internet, is Article 9.2.b.
Article 9 = "Offences related to child pornography"
and section 2 defines the term "child pornography"
2. For the purpose of paragraph 1 above, the term "child pornography" shall include pornographic material that visually depicts...
b. a person appearing to be a minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct.
(emphasis added)
That's a little vague for my taste... but the crucial question is 'how would this section of the Convention be employed and enforced?"
I have no idea what the answer to that question is, and I'm betting a lot of the world's law enforcement agencies that would have to abide by this thing don't, either.
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can I still use more then 4 fingers when I have sex with my girls friend...or will fbi come and get me
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Just one example on how this couldn't work, the new US 2257 law is illegal in EU. And if there is some law the same in both US and some other country, the people from the other country has to follow it anyway.Comment
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You sir are correct.Originally posted by andrej_NDC
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have to edit this*lol*Originally posted by TheSwedcan I still use more then 4 fingers when I have sex with my girls friend...or will fbi come and get me
my girl friend.. NOT my girls friend
if she read this
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No problem pk. US internet laws don't apply internationally.Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
Serious crimes - child abuse, money laundering blah - were always crimes where international law enforcement had cooperation. Little has changed in that respect.
The fact that the US Senate has ratified the Convention on Cybercrime does not mean US domestic laws apply to other countries (apart from cooperation on serious issues).
BTW... On the subject of ratifying treaties - the US remains the only country to have not given US children rights under the Convention on the Rights of the Child, has not ratified the Convention to Eliminate Racial Discrimination, has ratified the Convention Against Torture, but failed to comply in pratice and the spirit of the Convention - while placing obstacles to providing US citizens access to protection under almost all treaties re human rights which it has ratified.
?We talk the talk, but we don?t walk the walk? may be appropriate - same applies to the relevance and priority given to the Convention on Cybercrime.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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Originally posted by The Ghost
Backroom? In this era of uber retardedness in this country this is now a front room deal.
It's like that deaf dumb mute girl, Anne Frank, has taken over the country!
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[QUOTE=pocketkangaroo]The convention had been signed by 38 European nations plus the United States, Canada, Japan and South Africa.
What this now means is that under US law the US senate has agreed to agree that it is now constitutionaly correct to discuss with some other countries ways that variuous activities on the Internet can be better regulated.
Nothing more.
The European countries that have also agreed to agree, ( as in signed this treaty ), with other countries on how to regulate various other things that go on on the Internet, , ( that the US may or may not agree with ), may now under International law discuss with the US things that may or may not go on on the Internet that the US may or may not agree with.
The Convention on Cybercrime was first put forward in 2001 in Budapest - as yet NO EUOPEAN COUNTRIES OR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA have signed up to make this International law as it stands.
They, ( the signitories ), have mearly agreed a common Internationaly agreed framework from witch all signitory members may start discussions from
The sky has not yet fallen............by a long chalk
I bet it'll take at least 10 years to agree which color of cups to drink their water from at least
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dont fuck with america, give them respect.
i say that not as an american by the wayComment
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Originally posted by Stumps
Quite so.Laughing Out LoudComment
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the US is slowly destroying the internet.Comment
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[QUOTE=wizhard]It doesn't need to happen today or 5 years from now, it's on the books though. These little things eventually get used when we least expect it. Just think that they have been able to legally spy on us with no warrant because of some little loophole that was put in place nearly 30 years ago with the FISA court.Originally posted by pocketkangarooThe convention had been signed by 38 European nations plus the United States, Canada, Japan and South Africa.
What this now means is that under US law the US senate has agreed to agree that it is now constitutionaly correct to discuss with some other countries ways that variuous activities on the Internet can be better regulated.
Nothing more.
The European countries that have also agreed to agree, ( as in signed this treaty ), with other countries on how to regulate various other things that go on on the Internet, , ( that the US may or may not agree with ), may now under International law discuss with the US things that may or may not go on on the Internet that the US may or may not agree with.
The Convention on Cybercrime was first put forward in 2001 in Budapest - as yet NO EUOPEAN COUNTRIES OR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA have signed up to make this International law as it stands.
They, ( the signitories ), have mearly agreed a common Internationaly agreed framework from witch all signitory members may start discussions from
The sky has not yet fallen............by a long chalk
I bet it'll take at least 10 years to agree which color of cups to drink their water from at least
You'd just hate to see in 10 years this little treaty being invoked to crush more freedoms.Comment
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LOL, "they" have been spying on us ever since the advent of ISP's, - but "they" deren't use that info intill they think they can get away with it.It doesn't need to happen today or 5 years from now, it's on the books though. These little things eventually get used when we least expect it. Just think that they have been able to legally spy on us with no warrant because of some little loophole that was put in place nearly 30 years ago with the FISA court.
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the shitty part about all this is it has absolutley NOTHING to do with protection and nothing to do with other countriies
This is all about u.s.a. being able to spy on its own citizens without a warrant or probable cause, they simply ask france to ask us to check on someone, they are obliged to follow up and investigate if another country asks..
So basically before they couldnt do anything without a warrant or probable cause ( or so we are told ) now they can simply ask another country to ask them to investigate..
example hey france , ask us to investigate "insert name" and we will ask you to investigate someone you have no basis to spy on but want to spy on anywaysLast edited by SmokeyTheBear; 08-04-2006, 06:44 PM.hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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wtf the US cant go all around the fucking world and arrest people, FUCK :@TAEMDLRMSKRJIXMRLSMRJ.Comment
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Nothing is impossible Smokey, but chances of that happening are not too good.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
There have been a number of "incidents" where the US lied to other countries in order to get what they wanted. Come a court hearing - there was never any of these alleged offenses mentioned, but simple US domestic law stuff.
In one instance, - they even (after several tries) stated one target was a pedo and drug dealer. When law agencies in other countries turned up to monitor the court hearing - they were amazed and realized they had just been conned when the only subject of the case was US taxation.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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True lol.Originally posted by mikeydddddComment
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