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  • scottybuzz
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    • May 2006
    • 14799

    #1

    english people help me out with 2257

    Help please guys what does it mean for an average joe like me

    I promote american sites, I use american hosting. wtf do i need to do?
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  • scottybuzz
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    • May 2006
    • 14799

    #2
    I already have a text link to the 2257 info that the my sponer holds but with the new rules what does it mean?
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    • xanx
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      • Apr 2002
      • 3711

      #3
      sell all your sites, donate all your money to charity, and maybe, just maybe the Bush machine will let you slide

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      • TheSwed
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        • Feb 2004
        • 3483

        #4
        just move to a host outside U.S, then you can sleep well

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        • Gawdy
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          • May 2005
          • 397

          #5
          Originally posted by scottybuzz
          Help please guys what does it mean for an average joe like me

          I promote american sites, I use american hosting. wtf do i need to do?
          Do you anticipate the US cops, comming over to England then and checking to see if you have the correct documentation? Unless they do and get a warrant, how will they know your not compliant.

          If they do come over, get a search warrant for a law that isnt even a British law and infact against the EU laws of privacy, they then check your record keeping, do you anticipate that they will get an extradition order?

          Is it only American laws you want to comply with, or do you plan to comply with laws in every other country in the world?

          hello

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          • Kimo
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            • Jan 2006
            • 11542

            #6
            change your hosting and dns info to say george w bush
            ...

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            • stickyfingerz
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              • Oct 2005
              • 24984

              #7
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              • Kimo
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                • Jan 2006
                • 11542

                #8
                Originally posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
                The best thing to do is take a bath in acid. This will insulate you from the sky falling.

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                • s9ann0
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                  • Sep 2001
                  • 4873

                  #9
                  i wouldn't do anything jsut wait if they do start shitting on people move your servers to canada or Amsterdam and make more $$$'s than ever!

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                  • Dirty Dane
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                    • Feb 2004
                    • 9491

                    #10
                    They will invade Britain and place all webmasters at Guantanamo, because sexual pretadors are the same as terrorists now.

                    No, follow your own laws and comply the policy of those companies you use in you business portfolio.

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                    • Zester
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                      • Jul 2003
                      • 5344

                      #11
                      did something new happned lately with this 2257 shit? I see a lot of threads but no info
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                      • tony299
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                        • Aug 2002
                        • 57021

                        #12
                        if you live in the uk even though your promoting us sites.You really dont have to worry, they are not going to send the FBI all the way to the UK to examine your records.

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                        • fitzmulti
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                          • Jan 2003
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Zester
                          did something new happned lately with this 2257 shit? I see a lot of threads but no info
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                          • gooddomains
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                            • Jul 2003
                            • 10127

                            #14
                            I would be very cautios, the US just arrested the CEO of a british stock exchange noted company when he entered the US. Be prepared to never visit the US if you don't follow their laws.

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                            • gooddomains
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                              • Jul 2003
                              • 10127

                              #15
                              violate US laws and get arrested when visiting the US

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                                • KrisKross
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                                  • Jan 2006
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by gooddomains
                                  I would be very cautios, the US just arrested the CEO of a british stock exchange noted company when he entered the US. Be prepared to never visit the US if you don't follow their laws.
                                  Uh... there's a huge difference between the CEO of one of the largest online gambling companies and Joe Schmo webmaster who run a 10K TGP from mommy's basement in the UK.

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                                  • Dirty Dane
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                                    • Feb 2004
                                    • 9491

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by KrisKross
                                    Uh... there's a huge difference between the CEO of one of the largest online gambling companies and Joe Schmo webmaster who run a 10K TGP from mommy's basement in the UK.
                                    http://fbi.gov/mostwantedforeign2257violators/

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                                    • gooddomains
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                                      • Jul 2003
                                      • 10127

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by KrisKross
                                      Uh... there's a huge difference between the CEO of one of the largest online gambling companies and Joe Schmo webmaster who run a 10K TGP from mommy's basement in the UK.
                                      once you get arrested it makes no difference

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                                      • scottybuzz
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                                        • May 2006
                                        • 14799

                                        #20
                                        guys you may well joke about this shit, but if an englishman breaks an american law. by english law the americans are allowed to come in and arrest us and then stand in a u.s. court of law. they do infact have juristiction in the uk.

                                        it however does not hold the other way round which some say is unfair, but lets not bullshit about politics.

                                        I hear what you all say though and I will move hosting after I use up my free months.

                                        but I absolutley find it totally BOLLOCKS that there are scum out there that do promote child porn and these rules are being brought in coz of them, they are absolute fucking scum, and they are just not ruining children. FUCK THEM. I am usually neutral towards crime but these sick fuckers are affecting a huge industry. sorry for the rant.
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                                        • Yngwie
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                                          • May 2003
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                                          #21
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                                          • he-fox
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                                            • Jun 2006
                                            • 2884

                                            #22
                                            Run for your life!!!!

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                                            • scottybuzz
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                                              • May 2006
                                              • 14799

                                              #23
                                              edit- or maybe these rules are part of a larger initiative, i think mr soul said something about internet2 - the plan to make the internet like tv and no small timers involved. could be,,, could be slowly but surely
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                                              • joshll
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                                                • Jul 2006
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
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                                                • pornguy
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                                                  • Mar 2003
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                                                  #25
                                                  If you host in the US, then yes legally you do have to worry.
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                                                  • Gawdy
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                                                    • May 2005
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by gooddomains
                                                    violate US laws and get arrested when visiting the US

                                                    How would they know you are not complying you idiot
                                                    hello

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                                                    • Gawdy
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                                                      • May 2005
                                                      • 397

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                      guys you may well joke about this shit, but if an englishman breaks an american law. by english law the americans are allowed to come in and arrest us and then stand in a u.s. court of law. they do infact have juristiction in the uk.

                                                      it however does not hold the other way round which some say is unfair, but lets not bullshit about politics.

                                                      I hear what you all say though and I will move hosting after I use up my free months.

                                                      but I absolutley find it totally BOLLOCKS that there are scum out there that do promote child porn and these rules are being brought in coz of them, they are absolute fucking scum, and they are just not ruining children. FUCK THEM. I am usually neutral towards crime but these sick fuckers are affecting a huge industry. sorry for the rant.
                                                      Your to stupid to run a website you should give up. Im not joking thats serious. How on earth would they know you are not keeping the records how they want and what makes you think any UK court would give them access to look when the law is against EU laws.

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                                                      • scottybuzz
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • May 2006
                                                        • 14799

                                                        #28
                                                        I just worry about the influence america has on the world especially on england. tony blairs nose is seriously brown at the moment.

                                                        and dont listen to what goodomains has to say...


                                                        hes an idiot
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                                                        • Gawdy
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                                                          • May 2005
                                                          • 397

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                          I just worry about the influence america has on the world especially on england. tony blairs nose is seriously brown at the moment.

                                                          and dont listen to what goodomains has to say...


                                                          hes an idiot
                                                          So you think the US police are going to try and inforce an American law that is against EU laws, in England and come to you place of business in the UK and try and make sure you are keeping docs in the way they want?

                                                          Seriously get a grip. If you are worried in any way, put up a 2257 page showing your address in England and let them send some police men.

                                                          hello

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                                                          • Gawdy
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                                                            • May 2005
                                                            • 397

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by gooddomains
                                                            once you get arrested it makes no difference
                                                            Arrested for what? Not keeping docs in the way they want? How would they know? Unless they invade the UK

                                                            Im glad of 2257, might stop some of you idiots working online. Get a clue, seriously
                                                            hello

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                                                            • messiah1
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                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                              • 549

                                                              #31
                                                              And still there is no answer to weather or not the Fbi are just going after content producers and or affiliates (average Joe) that advertises that content?????????????????.

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                                                              • Lee
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                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                • 2977

                                                                #32
                                                                Scottybuzz, our laws have to take precedence and the data protection act which was revised to include data stored electronically would prohibit you ever divulging that info. If the FBI ever in their wisdom decided to send a taskforce over to East Anglia to check out your info they would need to go through the courts etc. Most unlikely.

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                                                                • frank7799
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                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                  • 1974

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Gawdy
                                                                  (...)
                                                                  Is it only American laws you want to comply with, or do you plan to comply with laws in every other country in the world?

                                                                  I think Iran has pretty cool laws for porn...

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                                                                  • scottybuzz
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • May 2006
                                                                    • 14799

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Lee
                                                                    Scottybuzz, our laws have to take precedence and the data protection act which was revised to include data stored electronically would prohibit you ever divulging that info. If the FBI ever in their wisdom decided to send a taskforce over to East Anglia to check out your info they would need to go through the courts etc. Most unlikely.
                                                                    thanks lee

                                                                    also thanks gawdy
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                                                                    • Webby
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                                                                      • Oct 2002
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Lee
                                                                      Scottybuzz, our laws have to take precedence and the data protection act which was revised to include data stored electronically would prohibit you ever divulging that info.
                                                                      Correct
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                                                                        • Webby
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                                                                          • Oct 2002
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                          Help please guys what does it mean for an average joe like me

                                                                          I promote american sites, I use american hosting. wtf do i need to do?
                                                                          BTW... I'd move hosting out of the US. If you are not complying with US laws - that's kinda reasonable.

                                                                          Other than that - fire ahead Scotty and earn.
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                                                                          • Spunky
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Blame Canada

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                                                                            • Webby
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                                                                              • Oct 2002
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Spunky
                                                                              Blame Canada

                                                                              You started all the bullshit didn't you Spunky? Damned Canadians with religous agendas

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                                                                              • scottybuzz
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                                                                                • May 2006
                                                                                • 14799

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Webby
                                                                                BTW... I'd move hosting out of the US. If you are not complying with US laws - that's kinda reasonable.

                                                                                Other than that - fire ahead Scotty and earn.
                                                                                yeh im not here to piss of america on purpose. hell if it takes me half an hour to be 2257 responsilbe why the hell not. even if im not american, but getting all the paperwork sorted out? not a fucking chance. does anyone know if webair hosts abroad in europe, i think they do. but can someone confirm it
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                                                                                • Gawdy
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                                                                                  • May 2005
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                                  yeh im not here to piss of america on purpose. hell if it takes me half an hour to be 2257 responsilbe why the hell not. even if im not american, but getting all the paperwork sorted out? not a fucking chance. does anyone know if webair hosts abroad in europe, i think they do. but can someone confirm it


                                                                                  They do, they have data centres in Amsterdam to I believe
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                                                                                  • wizhard
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                                                                                    • Jul 2006
                                                                                    • 579

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Help please guys what does it mean for an average joe like me

                                                                                    I promote american sites, I use american hosting. wtf do i need to do?
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                                                                                    If your based in the UK then your primary concern is the UK's Obscene Publications Act of 1959

                                                                                    No matter where in the world your sites are hosted, if you publish, ( as in upload ), files from a location inside the UK then the affore mentioned act does apply to you

                                                                                    If you publish, ( upload ), any adult material from within the UK then I strongly recommend you spend some time digesting it.
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                                                                                    • Pandemos
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                                                                                      • Jun 2005
                                                                                      • 956

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                                      guys you may well joke about this shit, but if an englishman breaks an american law. by english law the americans are allowed to come in and arrest us and then stand in a u.s. court of law. they do infact have juristiction in the uk.
                                                                                      You are misinformed. Technically, Americans can arrest people here in England but this only happens when the English courts have agreed to extradite an individual to the US. The person will be legally arrested by an American law enforcement officer when the English authorities hand over custody, which usually happens in a prison, at a police station or at the airport prior to departure.

                                                                                      In your case these technicalities are irrelevant. An individual can only be extradited for a charge which has an equivalent in English law. Obvious examples would be murder, rape, theft etc. England has no equivalent law to 2257, so nobody could be extradited for non-compliance.

                                                                                      However, I personally would never risk travelling to or through the US. I think it's just a matter of time before some poor bastard webmaster gets himself arrested getting off a plane in the US.
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                                                                                      • chris01282
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                                                                                        • Feb 2005
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Scottybuzz,

                                                                                        I also line in the UK, and to be on the safe side, I changed my host to an Amsterdam data centre.

                                                                                        Job done, can't be touched.

                                                                                        I live outside the US and I host outside the US.

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                                                                                        • JoeA
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                                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                                          • 568

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Look out everyone outside the US.. The sky is falling...

                                                                                          I haven't seen so much shit here, but at Least Lee and one or two others have explained that we live in the UK.. We follow UK laws not US... Well not yet .. LOL
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                                                                                          • wizhard
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                                                                                            • Jul 2006
                                                                                            • 579

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by chris01282
                                                                                            Scottybuzz,

                                                                                            I also line in the UK, and to be on the safe side, I changed my host to an Amsterdam data centre.

                                                                                            Job done, can't be touched.

                                                                                            I live outside the US and I host outside the US.

                                                                                            Sorry to say you could'nt be more wrong.

                                                                                            So to repeat myself;

                                                                                            If your based in the UK then your primary concern is the UK's Obscene Publications Act of 1959

                                                                                            No matter where in the world your sites are hosted, if you publish, ( as in upload ), files from a location inside the UK then the affore mentioned act does apply to you

                                                                                            If you publish, ( upload ), any adult material from within the UK then I strongly recommend you spend some time digesting it.
                                                                                            Laughing Out Loud

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                                                                                            • Marshal
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                                                                                              • Jun 2005
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Dirty Dane
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                                                                                              • andrej_NDC
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                                                                                                • May 2004
                                                                                                • 7760

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Gawdy, I feel your pain, even though you explained it well tons of times, there are still new posts with the same stupid questions.

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                                                                                                • Stumps
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                                                                                                  • Jul 2006
                                                                                                  • 363

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by wizhard
                                                                                                  Sorry to say you could'nt be more wrong.

                                                                                                  So to repeat myself;

                                                                                                  If your based in the UK then your primary concern is the UK's Obscene Publications Act of 1959

                                                                                                  No matter where in the world your sites are hosted, if you publish, ( as in upload ), files from a location inside the UK then the affore mentioned act does apply to you

                                                                                                  If you publish, ( upload ), any adult material from within the UK then I strongly recommend you spend some time digesting it.
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                                                                                                  • scottybuzz
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                                                                                                    • May 2006
                                                                                                    • 14799

                                                                                                    #50
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