At what point does a 'conflict' become a war?

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  • Sarah_Jayne
    Now with more Jayne
    • Dec 2002
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    #1

    At what point does a 'conflict' become a war?

    For the first time last night I heard a BBC newscaster refer to these recent troubles as a war. Every other time it is called a crisis or a conflict. Where is the line drawn? I can imagine the meetings in newsrooms deciding.
  • Yngwie
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    • May 2003
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    #2
    Well, when no one can agree on a solution it usually ends up in war. That's just my opinion though.
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    • Lazonby
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      • Feb 2006
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      #3
      It's a difficult one to call because it isn't between two states.

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      • Double L
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        • Nov 2004
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        #4
        well when you compare major wars to events now where I watch the news and hear 12 dead I think of it more of a skirmish than a real war. Still sucks and that doesnt mean its always right, but its nothing compared to past wars with thousands consistenly dying daily.

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        • carol.prime
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          • Jul 2006
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          #5
          Media often use the term 'conflict' instead of war to avoid panic. Either way, both refers to chaos.
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          • seven
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            • Apr 2002
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            #6
            fight between 2 countries = war
            fight between 2 groups = crisis/mob fight
            fight between 1 country and 1 particular group = conflict
            Last edited by seven; 08-03-2006, 08:56 AM.
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            • Sarah_Jayne
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              • Dec 2002
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              #7
              Originally posted by Lazonby
              It's a difficult one to call because it isn't between two states.
              civil wars aren't either but are still called wars

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              • seven
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                • Apr 2002
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                #8
                Originally posted by sarah_webinc
                civil wars aren't either but are still called wars
                you gotta point there maybe should they should call it civil crisis
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                • seven
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                  • Apr 2002
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by seven
                  you gotta point there maybe should they should call it civil crisis
                  or sectarian violence like Bushministration calls it
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                  • KRL
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                    • Oct 2002
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                    #10
                    Ummm, Hezbollah fired 230 missles into Israel yesterday.

                    I'd call that a fucking war.
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                    • DaddyHalbucks
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                      • Feb 2004
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by KRL
                      Ummm, Hezbollah fired 230 missles into Israel yesterday.

                      I'd call that a fucking war.

                      Yep.

                      Well put.
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                      • ServerGenius
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                        • Feb 2002
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                        #12
                        If the US gets involved
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                        • DaddyHalbucks
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                          • Feb 2004
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                          #13
                          How many trees does it take to make a forrest?

                          I'll say 1000.

                          How many deaths to make a war? I'll say 1000 --unless anyone has a better number.
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                          • reynold
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                            • Oct 2002
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                            #14
                            It's a war. As long as the international community can't find ways to stop it, then it will remain a crisis.

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                            • TheJimmy
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                              • Jan 2001
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                              #15
                              And then I start wondering...did we ever have a Crisis on Drugs or a Crisis on Terror before the War(s) set in?

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                              • Rochard
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                                • Dec 2001
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by KRL
                                Ummm, Hezbollah fired 230 missles into Israel yesterday.

                                I'd call that a fucking war.
                                Can someone explain to me how a "group" got 230 missiles?

                                That's like telling me the Montana Freeman have missiles.
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                                • Sarah_Jayne
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                                  • Dec 2002
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by TheJimmy
                                  And then I start wondering...did we ever have a Crisis on Drugs or a Crisis on Terror before the War(s) set in?

                                  .hmm
                                  yeah..somebody didn't follow the plan

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                                  • CheneyRumsfeld
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                                    • Sep 2004
                                    • 1341

                                    #18
                                    when they are shooting at the other guy it is a conflict.
                                    when they are shooting at you it is a war.

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                                    • martinsc
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                                      • Jun 2005
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                                      #19
                                      i think it's a matter of numbers....
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                                      • notabook
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                                        • Apr 2006
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                                        #20
                                        hmmm... well I guess if one side declares "war" on the other, other reciprocates back in full force... it?s war? Or maybe it's a cheese steak sandwich. I don't know, I get those two things confused.

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                                        • betabomb
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                                          #21
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                                          • Bdiddy
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                                            • Mar 2006
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                                            #22
                                            When two forces engage in open combat. Not just hurling bombs and missiles at one another. but thats me
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                                            • Antonio
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                                              • Oct 2001
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                                              #23
                                              well, lets see - 58 people die daily in Iraq - they call it a war

                                              51 people get killed by criminals every day in South Africa - they call it "shit happens", go figure

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                                              • redfalcon
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                                                • Jan 2005
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                                                #24
                                                "war being when two parties in conflict start throwing fists."
                                                Last edited by redfalcon; 08-04-2006, 03:53 AM.

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                                                • redfalcon
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                                                  • Jan 2005
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                                                  #25
                                                  correction: ""war begins when two parties in conflict start throwing fists."

                                                  Last edited by redfalcon; 08-04-2006, 03:58 AM.

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                                                  • Lazonby
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                                                    • Feb 2006
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by sarah_webinc
                                                    civil wars aren't either but are still called wars
                                                    Good point.

                                                    I'm not sure there is really a true definition of war. The grey area is rather large.

                                                    In terms of the way conflicts have changed, back in the day a war typically consisted of two vast opposing armies of men in uniforms.

                                                    Nowadays, wars are fought by civilians. For example, the 'War on Terror' (what a stupid name that is) is being fought by Muslim civilians, admittedly with the help of governments, against non-Muslim civilians.

                                                    This is a war which the West will not win if it continues to ignore what is causing this war, and that is the Islamic ideology of establishing the Caliphate and murdering all the infidels.
                                                    If we could only get rid of the ideology, we wouldn't have a problem. Unfortunately, this ideology is ingrained in the minds of half a billion people worldwide, and since the West has no stomach for bloodshed or self preservation, this war will go on and on and on and will never ever end unless a new type of leader steps up. It has been happening for the last 1400 years. It will go on for another 1400 years.

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                                                    • Lazonby
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                                                      • Feb 2006
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Antonio
                                                      well, lets see - 58 people die daily in Iraq - they call it a war

                                                      51 people get killed by criminals every day in South Africa - they call it "shit happens", go figure
                                                      But in South Africa, it's not an organised campaign of murder. There isn't some guy at the top saying, 'we must kill all white people and weaker blacks'. There just happens to be alot of independant murderous criminals.

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                                                      • BlueDesignStudios
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                                                        • Feb 2003
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                                                        #28
                                                        if firing 1000's of missiles & destroying an country isn't called a war, I dont' know what is

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                                                        • VicD
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                                                          • Feb 2005
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                                                          #29
                                                          Only if it's very, very clear they call it a war, politics...

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                                                          • Paul
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                                                            • Nov 2002
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                                                            #30
                                                            Did the Lebanese army become involved recently ? Perhaps it was called a "conflict" because it was Hezbollah Vs Israel.

                                                            Then again perhaps it changed names due to the amount of civilian casualties

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                                                            • Odin
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                                                              • Jan 2004
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Rochard
                                                              Can someone explain to me how a "group" got 230 missiles?

                                                              That's like telling me the Montana Freeman have missiles.
                                                              it isn't 1944 anymore. Katyusha rockets are pieces of shit, and Hezbollah has alot of money comming in (not just from Iran and Syria, but Lebanese in the ME and around the world). Give it another 30 years until Hezbollah or someone similar fights Israel and they have huge explosive rockets that can hit anywhere in Israel. The time will come, this is just a dress rehearsal I think.
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                                                              • Kimo
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                                                                #32
                                                                its not a war until the UN says so
                                                                ...

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                                                                • directfiesta
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                                                                  • Oct 2002
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

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                                                                  • 2HousePlague
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                                                                    • Jul 2004
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    "War" is a realm that allows for actions beyond the jurisdiction of law, unless there is such a thing as a world court.


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                                                                    • Lazonby
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                                                                      • Feb 2006
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by directfiesta
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                                                                      • Blingbaby
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                                                                        • Mar 2006
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        It's really not that difficult.

                                                                        War=

                                                                        A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties
                                                                        To wage or carry on warfare.
                                                                        To be in a state of hostility or rivalry; contend.

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                                                                        • Sarah_Jayne
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                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                          • 40077

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Blingbaby
                                                                          It's really not that difficult.

                                                                          War=

                                                                          A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties
                                                                          To wage or carry on warfare.
                                                                          To be in a state of hostility or rivalry; contend.

                                                                          and that is different from a 'conflict' how?

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