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03-23-2003, 08:39 AM

Just came downstairs from checking on my children napping. I look at their angellic faces so peaceful and wonder what kind of world I've brought them into. I can't help but wonder what things will be like when they grow up. And my heart goes out to the little children in places like Iraq, and hell, all over the world who feel pain, suffering, hurt, hardship, because they don't understand why they are suffering. Us adults, us assholes, we know why we suffer, we are generally the authors of our own suffering. These kids, they don't understand the pain they feel. They suffer for the sins of the fathers, and although I know I can't stop it, facing it, thinking about it sure doesn't make me feel any better.

I can imagine how I, as a mother would feel, knowing I couldn't control the situation, couldn't make the suffering stop. Right now, in my cozy little "safe" home, I can reach out and keep my son from bumping his head, or my daughter from hurting her lip. Imagine not being able to protect.. the deepest and strongest instinct a mother can possibly feel. That sense of helplessness and sorrow is the reason I'm crying right now. I can't possibly imagine the despair I would feel if that was me. If those were my babies, the ones I carried under my heart, suffering, afraid, in pain.

Everyone is a mother, a father, a son,or a daughter to someone. That feeling doesn't change when your babies grow up.

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03-23-2003, 08:40 AM

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03-23-2003, 08:46 AM

Gotta agree with you on this one. I never wanted to have children because I was afraid of what the world would be like when they were growing up.

But, I ended up having 2 and that motherly instinct is so overwhelming.

I often think of what kind of world we are leaving to them and hope and pray that it will be better, not worse than it is now.

I however think that "dethrowning" saddam is a good thing towards bettering the world that we live in. Although I wish nobody innocent would have to hurt or die. Thinking about what those little kids in iraq are going through, listening to bombs, gun fire and such is so sad
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03-23-2003, 08:46 AM

Nothing flame-worthy there. Well said LM.

I'm sure the anti-US/anti-war critics will use your post as propaganda to further their side's position though.

I believe that what you said pertains to the very reason that Saddam needs to go. Once his crew is ousted, those innocents in Iraq will be able to live a more controlled and "normal" life (if there is such a thing as "normal" it ain't going to be under Saddam's rule).

But the critics will twist things to suit their own needs I'm sure. C'est la vie.

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03-23-2003, 08:48 AM

LadyMischief I understand where you're comin' from
Even in our "safe" homes we can't fully protect our kids. My son is starting school this september and I'm way excited but very scared at the same time. I know he's going to love it there and do great but I have always had the thought what if someone takes him *from a school trip if he gets lost,or from the play ground etc...* Or if some teacher is some sick fuck and takes his innocence away *better way of putting it*. It's scary being a parent....

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03-23-2003, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by pink_in_the_middle
LadyMischief I understand where you're comin' from
Even in our "safe" homes we can't fully protect our kids. My son is starting school this september and I'm way excited but very scared at the same time. I know he's going to love it there and do great but I have always had the thought what if someone takes him *from a school trip if he gets lost,or from the play ground etc...* Or if some teacher is some sick fuck and takes his innocence away *better way of putting it*. It's scary being a parent....

It's the what if's that will kill you.. Those don't go away.. I'm sure your son will have a great time at school, just try not to cry too hard when he goes off and kind of forgets about you in the excitement. That just totally broke me down.

And I want to clarify something for everyone else. I didn't post this as some anti-war sentiment.. I think my opinions on this have been pretty clear. This war is not the only reason children in the world suffer and die... TENS OF THOUSANDS of children die DAILY, due to starvation, lack of water, disease, oppressive governments, poverty, a million different reasons. My heart aches for them, no matter WHAT the reason. I am greatful I am in a position that I CAN protect my children to a certain extent, and my heart goes out to those mothers who are not in a position to do the same.

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03-23-2003, 08:55 AM

Yeh, I hear you. Felt the same looking down at my little guy.

We live in a fucked up world. Reminds me of that old bit, a guy dies on earth, goes through the long tunnel of light, pops out at the other end and sees God.

He says so Lord are you going to send me to Hell?

The Lord pauses, looks down at him and says my child where in the Hell do you think you lived your last life?

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03-23-2003, 09:18 AM

Yea I know how you feel, THough I love my kids more then life it self, I wonder what they will be going through in the upcomming years, My past will hurt them or make them stronger I have no idea, I have done stupid things to support my babies and hope they will forgive or at least accecpt what I have done. Good post ma'am
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03-23-2003, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by KRL
Yeh, I hear you. Felt the same looking down at my little guy.

We live in a fucked up world. Reminds me of that old bit, a guy dies on earth, goes through the long tunnel of light, pops out at the other end and sees God.

He says so Lord are you going to send me to Hell?

The Lord pauses, looks down at him and says my child where in the Hell do you think you lived your last life?

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03-23-2003, 09:21 AM

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03-23-2003, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by KRL
Yeh, I hear you. Felt the same looking down at my little guy.

We live in a fucked up world. Reminds me of that old bit, a guy dies on earth, goes through the long tunnel of light, pops out at the other end and sees God.

He says so Lord are you going to send me to Hell?

The Lord pauses, looks down at him and says my child where in the Hell do you think you lived your last life?

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03-23-2003, 09:23 AM

[i]These kids, they don't understand the pain they feel. They suffer for the sins of the fathers, and although I know I can't stop it[/B]

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03-23-2003, 09:25 AM

Think what i gotta go thru

I have no idea where my brother is, but everytime i hear bout some marines dying i start to cringe and worry bout getting that dreaded phone call
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03-23-2003, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by playa
Think what i gotta go thru

I have no idea where my brother is, but everytime i hear bout some marines dying i start to cringe and worry bout getting that dreaded phone call

when was the last time you heard from him? what division is he in, maybe someone has heard some news about his battalion

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03-23-2003, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by LadyMischief
It's the what if's that will kill you.. Those don't go away.. I'm sure your son will have a great time at school, just try not to cry too hard when he goes off and kind of forgets about you in the excitement. That just totally broke me down.

Tell me about it *if's* !!! They make my brain hurt
"Cry" LOL I need him to go Between the three of them I'm going to take myself to the R.O

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03-23-2003, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by LadyMischief
Just came downstairs from checking on my children napping. I look at their angellic faces so peaceful and wonder what kind of world I've brought them into. I can't help but wonder what things will be like when they grow up. And my heart goes out to the little children in places like Iraq, and hell, all over the world who feel pain, suffering, hurt, hardship, because they don't understand why they are suffering. Us adults, us assholes, we know why we suffer, we are generally the authors of our own suffering. These kids, they don't understand the pain they feel. They suffer for the sins of the fathers, and although I know I can't stop it, facing it, thinking about it sure doesn't make me feel any better.

I can imagine how I, as a mother would feel, knowing I couldn't control the situation, couldn't make the suffering stop. Right now, in my cozy little "safe" home, I can reach out and keep my son from bumping his head, or my daughter from hurting her lip. Imagine not being able to protect.. the deepest and strongest instinct a mother can possibly feel. That sense of helplessness and sorrow is the reason I'm crying right now. I can't possibly imagine the despair I would feel if that was me. If those were my babies, the ones I carried under my heart, suffering, afraid, in pain.

Everyone is a mother, a father, a son,or a daughter to someone. That feeling doesn't change when your babies grow up.

Sorry about the rant, but I needed to get that off my chest, and, no, it doesn't pertain to anything. Flame away.

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03-23-2003, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by pink_in_the_middle

Tell me about it *if's* !!! They make my brain hurt
"Cry" LOL I need him to go Between the three of them I'm going to take myself to the R.O

We teach them as best we can and hope for the best...thats all we can do.

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03-23-2003, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by LadyMischief

Laugh with them, cry with them, hope for them. Children make life worth living.

Amen
IMO living without kids isn't worth living. They just bring so many emotions into your life you never even knew you had.

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03-23-2003, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by XxXotic
when was the last time you heard from him? what division is he in, maybe someone has heard some news about his battalion

he was suppose to email me his new address,, i never asked what his batallion was, but he is a marine in living in San Diego

i never knew they be showing the war on TV like this
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03-23-2003, 10:07 AM

Isn't it always a messed up world?

I mean.... how long do you have to wait until it's a "safe" world to have children in? How many years ago was it a "safe" world? How many wars have there been in this world in the past 100 years or so?

And before that even? The Romans, the Mongolians.... just about every generation, there is something that threatens the safety of people everywhere.

And I'm afraid to say that I don't really think it'll ever stop.

Sure the world sucks and is messed up... and I agree 100% with you LadyM... but people, don't go using this as an excuse to not have children. If you do.. you'll probably never have any... and if you don't regret it... someone else will for you.

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03-23-2003, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by LadyMischief

Laugh with them, cry with them, hope for them. Children make life worth living.

Very well said...........once you've lived for them.....it's hard to think of life without them.

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03-23-2003, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Content Girl

Very well said...........once you've lived for them.....it's hard to think of life without them.

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03-23-2003, 10:31 AM

Ever see the movie 'Three Kings'?

The Iraqi interrogator was especially hard on the US troops not because he was some one-dimensional villain, but because his infant son had been killed during the bombing of Bagdad.

All ideology aside, your points about us all being someone's son or daughter are well founded.

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03-23-2003, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by Dolcett
Ever see the movie 'Three Kings'?

The Iraqi interrogator was especially hard on the US troops not because he was some one-dimensional villain, but because his infant son had been killed during the bombing of Bagdad.

All ideology aside, your points about us all being someone's son or daughter are well founded.

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03-23-2003, 10:35 AM

Uhmmm yeah, right. There's not exactly a pool of freedom loving democratic politicians waiting in the wings in Iraq once the US ousts Saddam.

More likely it will become a US protectorate under the direct control of the Chalabi brothers and other pre-Baath party reactionaries. These guys are winners--check up on your Iraqi history. No land reform. Less rights for women. etc etc.

Don't get blinded by the marketing... The US will bring as much democracy to this strife-torn region as much democracy it brought to Latin America for most of last century--namely, little to none.

There will probably be more democracy if the US ran a military style government ala post WW2 Japan but this is unpalatable to surrounding Arab states.

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Nothing flame-worthy there. Well said LM.

I'm sure the anti-US/anti-war critics will use your post as propaganda to further their side's position though.

I believe that what you said pertains to the very reason that Saddam needs to go. Once his crew is ousted, those innocents in Iraq will be able to live a more controlled and "normal" life (if there is such a thing as "normal" it ain't going to be under Saddam's rule).

But the critics will twist things to suit their own needs I'm sure. C'est la vie.

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03-23-2003, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by LadyMischief
Just came downstairs from checking on my children napping. I look at their angellic faces so peaceful and wonder what kind of world I've brought them into. I can't help but wonder what things will be like when they grow up. And my heart goes out to the little children in places like Iraq, and hell, all over the world who feel pain, suffering, hurt, hardship, because they don't understand why they are suffering. Us adults, us assholes, we know why we suffer, we are generally the authors of our own suffering. These kids, they don't understand the pain they feel. They suffer for the sins of the fathers, and although I know I can't stop it, facing it, thinking about it sure doesn't make me feel any better.

I can imagine how I, as a mother would feel, knowing I couldn't control the situation, couldn't make the suffering stop. Right now, in my cozy little "safe" home, I can reach out and keep my son from bumping his head, or my daughter from hurting her lip. Imagine not being able to protect.. the deepest and strongest instinct a mother can possibly feel. That sense of helplessness and sorrow is the reason I'm crying right now. I can't possibly imagine the despair I would feel if that was me. If those were my babies, the ones I carried under my heart, suffering, afraid, in pain.

Everyone is a mother, a father, a son,or a daughter to someone. That feeling doesn't change when your babies grow up.

Sorry about the rant, but I needed to get that off my chest, and, no, it doesn't pertain to anything. Flame away.

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03-23-2003, 10:45 AM

Playa... they don't 'call'... they send officers to your home. At least they show respect when giving the bad news.

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03-23-2003, 10:48 AM

They do call. The 'officers to the home' is nice Hollywood romance, but not always the reality.

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03-23-2003, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by playa
Think what i gotta go thru

I have no idea where my brother is, but everytime i hear bout some marines dying i start to cringe and worry bout getting that dreaded phone call

I know what you mean here. We have several very close friends in this and though I don't talk to my brother at all, was just told today by my husband's best friend that their troop was called up and they are on their way to Ft Campbell to be prepared to go over there. Now this is just the National Guard and they are cooks and so on, but no one is immune to being killed over there as we seen from that Supply group that was ambushed this morning.

So while I may not talk to my brother, I don't wish anything bad on him and quietly worry about their safetly, as well as the safety of our best friend's wife, among the other Navy boys we have that we grew up with. I think there isn't one person in this country that isn't in some way worried about someone they "know" that is over there.

LM..... as for your comments, I was just telling my husband this the other night while watching a family in California that had to flee their homes (In Iraq) because they feared for the safety of their own families..... their biggest wish is to go back home....... how sad it must be to be ripped fro everything you know just to protect your families........ I sat here while watching that, looking at the face of my youngest sleeping on the couch beside me and the horror I would feel if I wasn't in control of their happiness and safety. As their mother, my BIGGEST worry is that they will fall and hurt themselves. I wouldn't be able to stand it if my worry was whether they were going to get shot down for even the most minor infractions. So while the USA may not be the best place in the world and have our problems........ I don't worry about them getting shot down by our own government for just walking down the street.

The whole world has gone mad, but as you say, you and I can sit here in our own little safe havens, but not everyone can say that........... wouldn't it be nice if no one else had that worry either.

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