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  • Webby
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    • Oct 2002
    • 14956
    #101
    Originally posted by dcortez
    Exactly.

    Hezbolla exists *because* of Israel's past actions - in early eighties, Israel invaded and occupied Lebanon for 20 years applying their usual 'anything goes when we apply our might (ie. death to innocent children, the elderly, and other civillians)'. Israel's 20 year reign of terror on Lebabon created the resistance called Hezbolla.

    Let's not forget, this latest war brought on by Israel, was not by chance - Israel decided to bomb the shit out of the Pallestinean civillian infrastructure (killing many civillians) looking for their lone lost soldier (usually these guys are called POW's, but somehow, when an Israeli terrorist is captured it is called kidnapping and serves as enough justification the virtually decimate a nation).

    Meanwhile, the US actively supports Israel and refuses to suggest a cease fire unless there is a 'new middle east' as a result.

    Now that Israel is decimating Lebanon, the attrocities against Palestine are going unnoticed - after all, how much baby killing can you take in the media.

    Why is the US permitting Israel to peform terrorist acts on organizations defending their own lands - because this is not really about Israel or Palestine, or Lebanon - it is about Iran.

    By encouraging Israel to flood the Lebanese and Pallestinean people with bombs, they are flushing out the remaining (huge) arsenal of missiles held by the defendors, who will inevitably turn to Iran for serious help and support.

    When this US/Israel bullying forces their victims to turn to Iran and Iran engages in a massive manner, the US/Israel will have succeeded in their mission.

    Then it will be 'game on' with Iran and there will be tons of arms and blood with Iranian roots to justify further escalation of the 'war on (US manufactured) terror'.

    Sadly, this is just the beginning.

    With respect to the US enabling of this global terror - I don't believe that the average american is a bad person - just misinformed and a bit too plyable by the Bush media machine.

    Time for all of us to get off our asses and call bullshit!

    Canada is facing the same shameful accusations of negligence in stopping what was very preventable slaughter of human life.
    You just hit the nail on the head Dino - without any bullshit.

    Well done
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      • SmokeyTheBear
        ►SouthOfHeaven
        • Jun 2004
        • 28609
        #102
        Originally posted by 12clicks
        hide your anti-semitism however you'd like. Israel wouldn't be bombing anyone if they had not been attacked. The end.
        The same could be said for hezbollah..


        but that would be a silly argument for either side " he hit me first, so i killed his babies "

        they both should be ashamed .. israel for sponsoring murder (gaza), and lebanon for not cleaning up what it knew was a problem.. neither justifies kidnapping/murder
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          • Bladewire
            StraightBro
            • Aug 2003
            • 56220
            #103
            This has been going on for hundreds of years in that region it wont stop anytime soon


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              • 12clicks
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Jan 2001
                • 19814
                #104
                Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                The same could be said for hezbollah..


                but that would be a silly argument for either side " he hit me first, so i killed his babies "

                they both should be ashamed .. israel for sponsoring murder (gaza), and lebanon for not cleaning up what it knew was a problem.. neither justifies kidnapping/murder
                nope, you're wrong. israel only has so many cheeks to turn.
                the muslim scum will never be happy until they are dead. The muslim scum have never made any lasting peace overtures. Israel pulled out of lebanon, pulled out of gaza, and what do they get?
                acts of war in return. After a while, you just have to kill your enemies because you can't reason with them.
                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                  • SmokeyTheBear
                    ►SouthOfHeaven
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 28609
                    #105
                    Originally posted by 12clicks
                    After a while, you just have to kill your enemies because you can't reason with them.
                    sounds a lot like what hitler thought

                    if you think muslims are scum theres obviously no arguing with you, i think everyone can choose their own destiny if given the chance (regardless of race or religion ), but some are given more chances than others.

                    I certainly empathize with the israeli action and cant help but agree they needed to do something , but i think they are just creating a whole lot more hatred..
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                      • CDSmith
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                        • May 2001
                        • 51460
                        #106
                        All I know is, in war you can't take the first swing, hide yourself and your fellow aggressors among innocent families, and then cry to the world when your kids become collateral damage.

                        And I believe there are dead children on both sides of the conflict.
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                          • SmokeyTheBear
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                            • Jun 2004
                            • 28609
                            #107
                            Originally posted by CDSmith
                            All I know is, in war you can't take the first swing, hide yourself and your fellow aggressors among innocent families, and then cry to the world when your kids become collateral damage.

                            And I believe there are dead children on both sides of the conflict.
                            the problem is it isnt "their" kids and the numbers of dead arent anything close to "equal" the number of lebanese children killed so far in 1 week is more than all the israeli children killed in 10 years of conflict

                            the israeli children's parents belong to the idf the lebanese children killed werent all or even mostly hezbollah
                            Last edited by SmokeyTheBear; 07-30-2006, 06:35 PM.
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                              • Webby
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                                • Oct 2002
                                • 14956
                                #108
                                Originally posted by 12clicks
                                nope, you're wrong. israel only has so many cheeks to turn.
                                the muslim scum will never be happy until they are dead. The muslim scum have never made any lasting peace overtures. Israel pulled out of lebanon, pulled out of gaza, and what do they get?
                                acts of war in return. After a while, you just have to kill your enemies because you can't reason with them.
                                What's the point when you cannot even describe both paties on equal terms and without the bias? Lebanese are "muslim scum" and Israeli's are what? Just Israel? Neither are scum or any different to any of us - that is simply a learned hatred.

                                Since 1968 Israel has never complied with Resolution 242, neither in spirit or in practice. Israel has never removed all troops from occupied territories as defined in 242.

                                Hezbollah would have no reason to exist if that were the case.
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                                  • 12clicks
                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                    • Jan 2001
                                    • 19814
                                    #109
                                    Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                    sounds a lot like what hitler thought
                                    perhaps you should read up on your histroy then.
                                    Please go find where hitler kept turning the other cheek to reach peace only to have it slapped by his enemies over and over.
                                    I'll wait while you run out and find that.



                                    Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                    if you think muslims are scum theres obviously no arguing with you, i think everyone can choose their own destiny if given the chance (regardless of race or religion ), but some are given more chances than others.
                                    Thre's never any arguing with me. the muslim scum who support terrorism have been given enough chances time for them to die.
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                                      • CDSmith
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                                        • May 2001
                                        • 51460
                                        #110
                                        Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                        sounds a lot like what hitler thought
                                        Smokey, Hitler tried to reason with no one. I see you've brought the Hitler thing up before in this thread, and my previous post applies to the WWII situation too. Hitler took the first swing at the world, and later watched as his country got bombed to ashes, just as his planes and rockets also relentlessly bombed London and other UK cities. And he had females on the airwaves spreading propoganda about the atrocities being commited on German civilians, and again I say....

                                        You can not take the first swing in a war or conflict (as in start it) and then cry about the resulting damage. Newsflash: Don't want your kids being hurt? Then either A) move them out of harm's way before you start shooting, or B) don't shoot in the first place.
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                                          • dcortez
                                            DINO CORTEZ™
                                            • Jun 2003
                                            • 2145
                                            #111
                                            Originally posted by 12clicks
                                            hide your anti-semitism however you'd like. Israel wouldn't be bombing anyone if they had not been attacked. The end.
                                            But is does and it did.

                                            Over a single prisoner of war (what it calls kidnapped soldier), it decimated most of the Pallestinean infrastructure - to the degree that one could make an argument for genicide because they have destroyed so much of the life essential ammenities and infrastructures of the Pallestineans during their missing soldier hunt.

                                            And thanks for reminding me:

                                            p.s. Along with entitling itself to any act of terror on innocents when it deems itself justified, Israel (and its supporters) enjoys the insulation from criticism by declaring any critics of its attrocities as anti-semitic.

                                            Case-in-point.

                                            Thanks.

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                                              • Alex
                                                So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
                                                • Jun 2004
                                                • 10963
                                                #112
                                                Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                the problem is it isnt "their" kids and the numbers of dead arent anything close to "equal" the number of lebanese children killed so far in 1 week is more than all the israeli children killed in 10 years of conflict

                                                the israeli children's parents belong to the idf the lebanese children killed werent all or even mostly hezbollah
                                                You are in denail.

                                                It has already been mentioned to you:

                                                Israel has evaccuated the cities in range of Hezballah.

                                                Hezballah and Lebanon are choosing not to evacute.
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                                                  • 12clicks
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                    • 19814
                                                    #113
                                                    Originally posted by Webby
                                                    What's the point when you cannot even describe both paties on equal terms and without the bias? Lebanese are "muslim scum" and Israeli's are what? Just Israel? Neither are scum or any different to any of us - that is simply a learned hatred.
                                                    both parties are not equal. One is a country who wants to live in peace, another is a group of people who want to wipe them off the face of the earth. Now, the anti-semites and ignorant might think they're equal but no one else.

                                                    Originally posted by Webby
                                                    Since 1968 Israel has never complied with Resolution 242, neither in spirit or in practice. Israel has never removed all troops from occupied territories as defined in 242.

                                                    Hezbollah would have no reason to exist if that were the case.
                                                    hahahaha, that sure is some reasoning.
                                                    after attacking israel, the arab scum lost teritory. The UN can prattle all it wants. Israel will do what's best to protect itself against countries who want to attack them.

                                                    If the UN is not going to protect israel's right to exist (the israel the UN created) then why does their opinion matter going forward?
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                                                      • SmokeyTheBear
                                                        ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                        • Jun 2004
                                                        • 28609
                                                        #114
                                                        Originally posted by Alex
                                                        You are in denail.

                                                        It has already been mentioned to you:

                                                        Israel has evaccuated the cities in range of Hezballah.

                                                        Hezballah and Lebanon are choosing not to evacute.
                                                        so you have no problem with israeli kids being hit by rockets be hezbollah because they should have evacuated out of range right ?
                                                        hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                          • SmokeyTheBear
                                                            ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                            • 28609
                                                            #115
                                                            Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                            Smokey, Hitler tried to reason with no one. I see you've brought the Hitler thing up before in this thread, and my previous post applies to the WWII situation too..
                                                            i didnt quote that part as an example of what i thought sounded like what hitler would have said , and the previous example was of the same ilk.

                                                            hitler and isreal is not an exmple of any sort , but what i quoted was
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                                                              • 12clicks
                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                • 19814
                                                                #116
                                                                Originally posted by dcortez
                                                                But is does and it did.

                                                                Over a single prisoner of war (what it calls kidnapped soldier), it decimated most of the Pallestinean infrastructure - to the degree that one could make an argument for genicide because they have destroyed so much of the life essential ammenities and infrastructures of the Pallestineans during their missing soldier hunt.

                                                                And thanks for reminding me:

                                                                p.s. Along with entitling itself to any act of terror on innocents when it deems itself justified, Israel (and its supporters) enjoys the insulation from criticism by declaring any critics of its attrocities as anti-semitic.

                                                                Case-in-point.

                                                                Thanks.
                                                                dear anti-semite, when one country perpetrates an act of war on another country, there is a price to pay. The attacked country will decide what the price is.
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                                                                  • CDSmith
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                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                    • 51460
                                                                    #117
                                                                    You know, I think one thing we can ALL agree on is that we'd all like to see peace in the Middle East. Not 5 minutes of peace but a real, long-lasting peace, like decades of it.

                                                                    I love looking for common ground. :D


                                                                    And the funny thing is.... when no one is attacking Israel a strange thing happens. Nothing.

                                                                    I'm 43 now and I can't recall a time in all of my years when one bullshit conflict or aother wasn't taking place in damned Middle East. If you live there you must realize that a lot of the world is just sick to death of hearing about your constant killing and complate lack of any ability to worth things out peaceably.

                                                                    One of the biggest shames on the planet is right there in the fucking "holy land".

                                                                    Thank Christ, Allah and and the fat guy that I don't live there.
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                                                                      • yota71
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                                                                        • Jan 2006
                                                                        • 822
                                                                        #118
                                                                        It's nice to see that people are taking sides. Now lets all start shooting eachother. (WAR) Unbelievable
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                                                                          • Alex
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                                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                                            • 10963
                                                                            #119
                                                                            Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                            so you have no problem with israeli kids being hit by rockets be hezbollah because they should have evacuated out of range right ?
                                                                            I already mentioned before.

                                                                            Its tragic that ANY innocent civilians must die. From any side of the war.

                                                                            The thing that makes you seem like an idiot is calling it "murder" which by definition is "kill intentionally and with premeditation"


                                                                            You have to be the biggest tool in the world if you think IDF is intentionally plotting and targeting babies.
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                                                                              • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                • Jun 2004
                                                                                • 28609
                                                                                #120
                                                                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                Newsflash: Don't want your kids being hurt? Then either A) move them out of harm's way before you start shooting, or B) don't shoot in the first place.
                                                                                does this newsflash also qualify for israeli's ? so every israeli civlian killed since the war started should have simply "moved away"
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                                                                                  • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                    ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                    • Jun 2004
                                                                                    • 28609
                                                                                    #121
                                                                                    Originally posted by Alex
                                                                                    I already mentioned before.

                                                                                    Its tragic that ANY innocent civilians must die. From any side of the war.
                                                                                    .
                                                                                    Thats what this thread was about i didnt mention who's fault it was.. its a whole lotta people's faults , certainly not trying to pin it all on israel
                                                                                    Originally posted by Alex

                                                                                    The thing that makes you seem like an idiot is calling it "murder" which by definition is "kill intentionally and with premeditation"


                                                                                    You have to be the biggest tool in the world if you think IDF is intentionally plotting and targeting babies.
                                                                                    if you know there to be children where your shooting , its intentional.. you have to be the biggest moron in the world not to realise that , if you think the idf doesnt KNOW there are children where they are shooting your even a bigger moron than previously mentioned
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                                                                                      • CDSmith
                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                        • May 2001
                                                                                        • 51460
                                                                                        #122
                                                                                        Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                        does this newsflash also qualify for israeli's ? so every israeli civlian killed since the war started should have simply "moved away"
                                                                                        Israel has largely if not always been of a more reactionary side in the conflict. Like I said, when their neighbors aren't attacking them there is peace.

                                                                                        I can't recall ever hearing or reading a news item where Isreal took the first swing.

                                                                                        Can you?
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                                                                                          • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                            ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                                                            • 28609
                                                                                            #123
                                                                                            Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                            And the funny thing is.... when no one is attacking Israel a strange thing happens. Nothing.
                                                                                            .
                                                                                            thats never happened , israel is always killing people , and people are always attacking israel , if your looking for common ground the " he hit me first " argument will never wash. you have to say "we both fucked up , who cares who started it , if we both stop it now we wont care who started it anymore"
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                                                                                              • Alex
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                                                                                                • Jun 2004
                                                                                                • 10963
                                                                                                #124
                                                                                                Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                Thats what this thread was about i didnt mention who's fault it was.. its a whole lotta people's faults , certainly not trying to pin it all on israel


                                                                                                if you know there to be children where your shooting , its intentional.. you have to be the biggest moron in the world not to realise that , if you think the idf doesnt KNOW there are children where they are shooting your even a bigger moron than previously mentioned
                                                                                                Obviously there are children where they are shooting, when Hezbollah scum hide rockets in day cares and apartment buildings.

                                                                                                It is not murder, if it was murder and Israel was murding babies you know damn well every country in the world would have intervened (sp?) by now. You cannot hold a normal arguement when you use words that you dont understand.

                                                                                                Go look up murder and come back. Tell me if what Israel is doing constitues as murder.
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                                                                                                  • directfiesta
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                    • 30188
                                                                                                    #125
                                                                                                    Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                    dear anti-semite, when one country perpetrates an act of war on another country, there is a price to pay. The attacked country will decide what the price is.
                                                                                                    If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
                                                                                                    So Iraq will get the USA to pay the price ...

                                                                                                    ( smileys to help you understand the post )
                                                                                                    I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                    But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                      • directfiesta
                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                                        • 30188
                                                                                                        #126
                                                                                                        Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                        I can't recall ever hearing or reading a news item where Isreal took the first swing.

                                                                                                        Can you?
                                                                                                        Iran

                                                                                                        654321
                                                                                                        I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                        But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                          • xxxdesign-net
                                                                                                            My hips don't lie
                                                                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                                                                            • 10129
                                                                                                            #127
                                                                                                            Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                            Dear deluded, when the people elect a government that then commits an act of war, the electorate are no longer innocent.
                                                                                                            You've been following the situation closely I notice... lol Btw.. which government would that be?

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                                                                                                              • dcortez
                                                                                                                DINO CORTEZ™
                                                                                                                • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                • 2145
                                                                                                                #128
                                                                                                                Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                (racial slur), when one country perpetrates an act of war on another country, there is a price to pay. The attacked country will decide what the price is.
                                                                                                                If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
                                                                                                                Not when the world is impacted and watching.

                                                                                                                Measured and appropriate response is the global norm - unless Israel has decided to do without the rest of the world economy (including the handouts it gets from the US).

                                                                                                                The *only* reason Israel has carte blanche to get away with this excessive response (condemned by most of the world) is that the US has not reigned in the Israeli leash (because of its own agenda to engage Iran) - however, at the rate Israel is killing innocents (regardless of its excuses/reasons), even Ms. Rice is going to have to speed up the kaybosh on the current Israeli killing spree.

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                                                                                                                  • CDSmith
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                                                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                                                    • 51460
                                                                                                                    #129
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                    thats never happened , israel is always killing people , and people are always attacking israel , if your looking for common ground the " he hit me first " argument will never wash. you have to say "we both fucked up , who cares who started it , if we both stop it now we wont care who started it anymore"
                                                                                                                    You don't think it matters who takes the first swing in a fight? I'll tell you this much... almost 100% of the time if that first swing had not been taken in the first place there would be no fight, no killing.

                                                                                                                    Think about it.
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                                                                                                                      • SmokeyTheBear
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                                                                                                                        • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                        • 28609
                                                                                                                        #130
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                        .

                                                                                                                        I can't recall ever hearing or reading a news item where Isreal took the first swing.

                                                                                                                        Can you?
                                                                                                                        i can name a few but of course nobody will agree on any of them lol.

                                                                                                                        lets start with the freshest in our memory . israel attacked the lebanese army in lebanon, the lebanese army never attacked israeli's in israel.
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                                                                                                                          • Damian_Maxcash
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                                                                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                            • 12745
                                                                                                                            #131
                                                                                                                            I knew this thread would be here - I havnt got the time to read the whole thing, but it dosnt take a genius (or even an idiot like me) to work out what has been said the last 3 pages.

                                                                                                                            As far as todays horrid incident is concerned - Its vile and I hate it. I am pleased to see Israel are sorry and have made steps to see it dosnt happen again - including a major backdown - a 48 hour cease fire.

                                                                                                                            Hezbolah on the other hand have aimed 2000+ rockets at Israeli civilians in the last few weeks. If they hit an Israeli building and killed women and children what do you think their reaction would be?

                                                                                                                            They would dance on the streets, the way they did after 9/11.

                                                                                                                            We are too quick to think that Iran and Syria are a little stupid. They have turned Lebanon into the battle ground. Its like America going to war and then fighting it in Canada.

                                                                                                                            The only way for this to end is for the whole world to realise that Israel isnt going anywhere - move on!

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                                                                                                                              • CDSmith
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                                                                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                                                                • 51460
                                                                                                                                #132
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                                                                                                Iran

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                                                                                                                                What about it?

                                                                                                                                I don't recall a time when Isael just outright took a shot at Iran out of the blue in order to start something.

                                                                                                                                Link please.
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                                                                                                                                  • Webby
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                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                    • 14956
                                                                                                                                    #133
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                    both parties are not equal. One is a country who wants to live in peace, another is a group of people who want to wipe them off the face of the earth. Now, the anti-semites and ignorant might think they're equal but no one else.
                                                                                                                                    There never was anyone who was not equal. Who exactly does not want peace? Lebanon? Hezbollah? Israel? Hezbollah and others currently have the framework of a peace proposal on the table. Both Israel and the US prefer not to have a ceasefire. (Tho the relevance is to the US is beyond a joke and well-known)


                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                    hahahaha, that sure is some reasoning.
                                                                                                                                    after attacking israel, the arab scum lost teritory. The UN can prattle all it wants. Israel will do what's best to protect itself against countries who want to attack them.
                                                                                                                                    The loose words are irrelevant. Obviously the bias over "arab scum" can cause blindness. The fact that Israel has not complied with the agreement (242) and is consistantly quibbling over words - ie because the use of the word "all" was not included in 242 which stated that "Israel will remove troops from occupied territories". Because it was not defined as "all occupied terrirories" does not mean a free for all for lawyers.

                                                                                                                                    The existance of Hezbollah since the early 80's was a result of constant Israel action and oppression in Gaza and other areas.

                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                    If the UN is not going to protect israel's right to exist (the israel the UN created) then why does their opinion matter going forward?
                                                                                                                                    The UN does recognise Israel's right to exist - that is not in question. The international community, of which you are a part, does have an opinion. That opinion briefly is that a ceasefire be observed - and ultimately Israel adopt the terms of 242. We are waiting....
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                                                                                                                                      • 12clicks
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                                                                                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                        • 19814
                                                                                                                                        #134
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Webby
                                                                                                                                        There never was anyone who was not equal. Who exactly does not want peace? Lebanon? Hezbollah? Israel?
                                                                                                                                        Hezbollah supports the destruction of the state of Israel.
                                                                                                                                        there's the answer to your question. the rest of your post is meaninless prattle.
                                                                                                                                        I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                          • CDSmith
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                                                                                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                                                                                            • 51460
                                                                                                                                            #135
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                                            ..., the lebanese army never attacked israeli's in israel.
                                                                                                                                            You don't call suicide bombings and kidnappings acts of aggression?

                                                                                                                                            I do.


                                                                                                                                            Look, all blame aside, all justification aside, most people I know would just like this shit over there to stop. continuing to argue over blame just fuels it. I don't like the kids (or any innocent civilians of ANY age) being killed any more than you do, but I do understand that Israel does have a duty to protect it's people and I do realize that those attacking Israel are hiding amongst kids and other civilians.

                                                                                                                                            The only solution possible is for a lot of people on both sides to get over the past and just stop. I mean just fucking STOP already. Just go home, cook dinner, take a nap, get a job, start a business, dig a well, WHATEVER.

                                                                                                                                            Since that's not likely to happen... because in order for it to work everyone has to abide by it..... I am almost willing to predict that at some point that entire region will be reduced to one big smoking radioactive bowl of glass.

                                                                                                                                            Then there will finally be peace there.
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                                                                                                                                              • jayeff
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                                                                                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                • 2944
                                                                                                                                                #136
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                                                And the funny thing is.... when no one is attacking Israel a strange thing happens. Nothing.
                                                                                                                                                Nothing except 8 million people without a country, who the world would forget about in the blink of an eye. And the irony of that reality is that the justification for the existence of Israel is that a people should have a home.

                                                                                                                                                After 70 years of violence, blame is irrelevant. Which is just as well because you would have to blame the British who decided to partition Palestine without apparently any concept of or concern about the potential consequences. And what point could it serve to blame someone who is no longer a player in this particular game?

                                                                                                                                                Whichever side we take here on GFY is also irrelevant. But it's sad to see so much barely disguised racism (on both sides) and as bad, the number of clowns who seem incapable of posting without getting into personal abuse, even when the topic is such a serious one.

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                                                                                                                                                  • directfiesta
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                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                    • 30188
                                                                                                                                                    #137
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                                                    What about it?

                                                                                                                                                    I don't recall a time when Isael just outright took a shot at Iran out of the blue in order to start something.

                                                                                                                                                    Link please.
                                                                                                                                                    Nuclear ....

                                                                                                                                                    I don't supply links anymore ... makes it more " even "
                                                                                                                                                    I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                                                    But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                                                      • Webby
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                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                        • 14956
                                                                                                                                                        #138
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                        Hezbollah supports the destruction of the state of Israel.
                                                                                                                                                        there's the answer to your question. the rest of your post is meaninless prattle.
                                                                                                                                                        You obviously have full access to all Hezbollah policy documents - congrats.

                                                                                                                                                        On "meaningless prattle" - it is fact and reality. Contest if you must.
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                                                                                                                                                          • Webby
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                                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2002
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                                                                                                                                                            #139
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by jayeff
                                                                                                                                                            Whichever side we take here on GFY is also irrelevant. But it's sad to see so much barely disguised racism (on both sides) and as bad, the number of clowns who seem incapable of posting without getting into personal abuse, even when the topic is such a serious one.
                                                                                                                                                            Well said
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                                                                                                                                                              • CDSmith
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                                                                                                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                • 51460
                                                                                                                                                                #140
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                                                                                                                                Nuclear ....

                                                                                                                                                                I don't supply links anymore ... makes it more " even "
                                                                                                                                                                Nuclear what?

                                                                                                                                                                You are a one word circus pony tonight, I'll give you that.

                                                                                                                                                                You're saying Israel fired a nuke at Iran in the past? News to me.
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                                                                                                                                                                  • SmokeyTheBear
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                                                                                                                                                                    #141
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                                                                    You don't call suicide bombings and kidnappings acts of aggression?

                                                                                                                                                                    I do..
                                                                                                                                                                    i do too , but i cant recall the lebanese army supporting or taking part in either of the 2. perhaps you can point out an instance the lebanese army attacked israeli's in israael.. we all certainly know by now the idf has targetted lebanese army posts and killed lebanese army personelle
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                                                                                                                                                                      • CDSmith
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                                                                                                                                                                        • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                        • 51460
                                                                                                                                                                        #142
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by jayeff
                                                                                                                                                                        Nothing except 8 million people without a country, who the world would forget about in the blink of an eye. And the irony of that reality is that the justification for the existence of Israel is that a people should have a home.
                                                                                                                                                                        AGreed, but the part of the issue you left out is that now that Israel has been where they are (Since circa 1948 I believe) they are simply not going anywhere, so either someone in the regioun finds a way to adapt and move on with their lives or they continue to fight. Forever.

                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by jayeff
                                                                                                                                                                        After 70 years of violence, blame is irrelevant. Which is just as well because you would have to blame the British who decided to partition Palestine without apparently any concept of or concern about the potential consequences. And what point could it serve to blame someone who is no longer a player in this particular game?

                                                                                                                                                                        Whichever side we take here on GFY is also irrelevant. But it's sad to see so much barely disguised racism (on both sides) and as bad, the number of clowns who seem incapable of posting without getting into personal abuse, even when the topic is such a serious one.
                                                                                                                                                                        Agreed in full, all points, but a thick slathering of racism is a given in any discussion on this subject. I try to work around it, that is when I bother to chime in with an opinion at all.
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                                                                                                                                                                          • directfiesta
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                                                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                            • 30188
                                                                                                                                                                            #143
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                                                                            Nuclear what?

                                                                                                                                                                            You are a one word circus pony tonight, I'll give you that.

                                                                                                                                                                            You're saying Israel fired a nuke at Iran in the past? News to me.
                                                                                                                                                                            Why what I say is not as true as others here, that NEVER post any backup ...

                                                                                                                                                                            Becomes pretty annoying ...

                                                                                                                                                                            So as an exception to my new rules:

                                                                                                                                                                            it appears that some in Israel are seriously considering a preemptive attack similar to the June 1981 attack on Osirak that destroyed Iraq's nuclear reactor
                                                                                                                                                                            http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/040812.htm

                                                                                                                                                                            Now, worse, ISRAEL is considering NOW another " preemptive strike " against IRAN ...

                                                                                                                                                                            One of the more persistent rumors in the Middle East is that Israel may bomb Iran?s nuclear power facility. And that the United States would give Israel a wink and a nod.

                                                                                                                                                                            Israel?s invasion of Lebanon has moved the rumors from the back burner to the front.

                                                                                                                                                                            One theory of Israel?s motive in Lebanon is that it wants to provoke Iran into action that would provide a pretext for going after Iran?s nuclear facility.
                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...n/15154524.htm

                                                                                                                                                                            and since somebody will probably laugh at the source of the news ( maybe the journalist has an extensive collection of tin foil hats, Ynetnews doesn't ),
                                                                                                                                                                            Here is a full google page:

                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.google.ca/search?q=israel...en-US:official

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                                                                                                                                                                            Last edited by directfiesta; 07-30-2006, 07:33 PM.
                                                                                                                                                                            I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                                                                            But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                                                                              • CDSmith
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                                                                                                                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                • 51460
                                                                                                                                                                                #144
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                                                                                i do too , but i cant recall the lebanese army supporting or taking part in either of the 2. perhaps you can point out an instance the lebanese army attacked israeli's in israael.. we all certainly know by now the idf has targetted lebanese army posts and killed lebanese army personelle
                                                                                                                                                                                Maybe you can show proof that shows that without a shadow of a doubt there are no Hezbollah personel at those locations or that they aren't being funded or supplied from those people.

                                                                                                                                                                                Unless I see hard evidence to the contrary I simply refuse to believe Israel is just indescriminately targeting without cause or care.

                                                                                                                                                                                And like others (like Jayeff) are starting to point out here, none of it matters. If Israelis are monsters for their missiles killed innocents, so too are those in Lebanon for doing what they've done and then hiding amongst those innocents.


                                                                                                                                                                                It's one of those things where all of us yapping on this thread are outraged about the situation and are powerless to do anything about it. Thus we sit and argue over blame.
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • directfiesta
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 30188
                                                                                                                                                                                    #145
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                                                                                    that now that Israel has been where they are (Since circa 1948 I believe) they are simply not going anywhere,
                                                                                                                                                                                    You are so wrong .. They sure are going somewhere, in fact somewheres ....
                                                                                                                                                                                    I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                                                                                    But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • directfiesta
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 30188
                                                                                                                                                                                        #146
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                                                                                        Maybe you can show proof that shows that without a shadow of a doubt there are no Hezbollah personel at those locations or that they aren't being funded or supplied from those people.

                                                                                                                                                                                        .
                                                                                                                                                                                        Fuck, that sounds so familiar .....

                                                                                                                                                                                        Hummmm, I think I know when I heard something like that ...

                                                                                                                                                                                        I remember vaguely that it was about WMD, and a terrorist country, and a declaration of not having WMD..

                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes, that is it:

                                                                                                                                                                                        Saddam hasn't proven that he doesn't possess WMD...
                                                                                                                                                                                        I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                                                                                        But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • CDSmith
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 51460
                                                                                                                                                                                            #147
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                                                                                                                                                            Why what I say is not as true as others here, that NEVER post any backup ...

                                                                                                                                                                                            Becomes pretty annoying ...

                                                                                                                                                                                            So as an exception to my new rules:



                                                                                                                                                                                            http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/040812.htm

                                                                                                                                                                                            Now, worse, ISRAEL is considering NOW another " preemptive strike " against IRAN ...



                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...n/15154524.htm

                                                                                                                                                                                            and since somebody will probably laugh at the source of the news ( maybe the journalist has an extensive collection of tin foil hats, Ynetnews doesn't ),
                                                                                                                                                                                            Here is a full google page:

                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.google.ca/search?q=israel...en-US:official

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                                                                                                                                                                                            Fiesta boy I honestly doen't get how with your mindset on these issues you can come from the same country I do.

                                                                                                                                                                                            That doesn't qualify for what I asked of for an example, Why7... because the building of that nuclear facility in Iran in and of itself constitutes a first act of aggression. It wasn't destroyed out of the blue, they were asked several times to stop going the way of developing a nuclear technology.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Personally I just don't believe a country like Iran is responsible or trustwrorthy enough to possess nuclear capability. I base that on all my years of reading and listening and learning about the matter, which is I'll wager at least as extensive as your wealth of non-brainwashed knowledge.
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • CDSmith
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 51460
                                                                                                                                                                                                #148
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                                                                                                                                                                You are so wrong .. They sure are going somewhere, in fact somewheres ....
                                                                                                                                                                                                Okay, where?

                                                                                                                                                                                                If It were me I'd move to Tahitii.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • CDSmith
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 51460
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #149
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Fuck, that sounds so familiar .....

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hummmm, I think I know when I heard something like that ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I remember vaguely that it was about WMD, and a terrorist country, and a declaration of not having WMD..

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, that is it:

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Saddam hasn't proven that he doesn't possess WMD...
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh goody, childish side-arguments, my favorite!


                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh wait... no it isn't. :D
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • directfiesta
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 30188
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #150
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Fiesta boy I honestly doen't get how with your mindset on these issues you can come from the same country I do.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        That doesn't qualify for what I asked of for an example, Why7... because the building of that nuclear facility in Iran in and of itself constitutes a first act of aggression. It wasn't destroyed out of the blue, they were asked several times to stop going the way of developing a nuclear technology.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Personally I just don't believe a country like Iran is responsible or trustwrorthy enough to possess nuclear capability. I base that on all my years of reading and listening and learning about the matter, which is I'll wager at least as extensive as your wealth of non-brainwashed knowledge.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        It answered exactly your question ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Now, if there was measures to be taken, the UN at the time had the power, as it did in the first gulf war ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                        You can spin as much as you want, the event then and the new upcoming possible agression, it still was an agression, so an answer to your question.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                                                                                                        But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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