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What's the fucking point of buying a Harddrive?

07-29-2006, 03:38 PM

If they all fucking suck and will eventually fail on you?

I am so sick if this shit. Does anyone even give a fuck when they build these colossal pieces of shit or do they just slap em together and ship em out?

Anyone here have a RAID setup? is it worth the extra money? How exactly does RAID work?

I figure the time and money lost from every Harddrive I've lost in the past it might add up to a RAID system.
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07-29-2006, 03:44 PM

i have raid 0, it is actually more likely to fuck my system now than with just two separate drives!

however i backup once or twice a week, and buy good drives.
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07-29-2006, 03:45 PM

i've never really had an HD fail :-/

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07-29-2006, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Chris

i've never really had an HD fail :-/

You are a lucky man, I've gone thru 3, and it fucking sucks.
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07-29-2006, 03:48 PM

I have a dell server sitting on a self in my office storage room that has Raid 5 ... I should use it for something but I'd have to add another processor and some more Ram .. it holds 4 processors or some shit like that ... it's a waste to just let it sit ..

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07-29-2006, 03:49 PM

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I have a dell server sitting on a self in my office storage room that has Raid 5 ... I should use it for something but I'd have to add another processor and some more Ram .. it holds 4 processors or some shit like that ... it's a waste to just let it sit ..

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07-29-2006, 03:51 PM

I learned my lesson and backup every other day. and then I backup the backup. I used to dropoff one of my revolving external HDs to my safe-deposit box at my bank (but that became ridiculous) so I'm thinking I might ALSO backup everything to a secure server online (not really want I want, but I'll appreciate it later). my life would be reset to ZERO if something happened to my office (flood, fire, theft) - and that would SUCK... but maybe that's what I truly need. to start over. LOL.

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07-29-2006, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by Chris

i've never really had an HD fail :-/

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07-29-2006, 03:52 PM

Raid 1 = mirroring of two disks. So two 160gb disks makes one failsafe 160gb dist. Slower (little) diskaccess time since it have to do it all twice and check for errors. But one disk can fail, and you still have all your data

Raid 0 = striping of two disks, making one big disk out of one. So two 160gb diske become 320gb. Fast diskaccess since its spanned data placement. One disk fails, all data is lost

Raid 0 + 1 = Combination, where you use 4 disks, and first make two separat diskset where you mirror two disks, then span the two sets. That way four 160gb disks, make one large 320gb disk. Benefit is fast acces, and one disk on each set can die before you have dataloss.

Raid 5 = parity, you dont want that as a consumer

1 - buy good disks
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3 - make sure its installed correct (get proff. help, not your sisters friend that once had his own C64)
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07-29-2006, 04:07 PM

i got 6 Buffalo Terastation NAS Tower with Raid 5 - they're not fast, but secure through Raid 5 and i can access everything i need what i had just on DVD before

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07-29-2006, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by aico

What's the fucking point of buying a Harddrive?
If they all fucking suck and will eventually fail on you?

Got the bottom drawer of a filing cabnet with about... dunno 40 or 50 crapped drives - you need some more??

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07-29-2006, 04:11 PM

The newer Hitatchi (2k3+) drives perform the best in longevity imo, anything Maxtor is a piece of shit for long-term use. I just recently pruned through all my old hard drives (sub 4gb drives), six out of the twenty were dead. ALL SIX DEAD DRIVES were the Maxtor?s. The other 14 drives were fine, majority of which were Seagate.
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07-29-2006, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by aico

You trying to make me feel better? lol

I told you i know it's just a waste sitting there ... you kinda made me feel like an ass for not using it I think it was like $2k or more when i bought it a few years back.

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07-29-2006, 04:12 PM

i go through atleast 3 hard drives a year from having them burn out

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07-29-2006, 04:17 PM

Only had two fail in the last 8 years. I must be lucky.
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07-29-2006, 04:19 PM

I've got a 340MB seagate drive here that I've had since like 1995 and it runs like a champ. MTBF on a harddrive these days is 100,000 hours which is like 11 years. I've had 1 drive die in the last 10 years, and it was an 10GB seagate IDE, and it was under warranty and they replaced it within a week. I have 4x400GB seagates in my main system now. They'll probably outlive me.

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07-29-2006, 04:22 PM

I keep my important files on a server that is backed up nightly.

I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

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07-29-2006, 04:24 PM

had one fail it was a month old gateway
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07-29-2006, 04:30 PM

I've lost a couple; I lost a couple of days reinstalling software each time but keep the vital stuff backed up.

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07-29-2006, 06:25 PM

RAID won't give you previous revisions of a file if you accidentally delete something. It may be worth considering a backup strategy if you could see yourself needing that feature.

On the flipside, recovery from a failed drive in a mirrored raid is instant, backup restoration can take a while and you'll lose everything that has changed since the last backup.

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07-29-2006, 06:26 PM

if you are losing more than a couple drives a year its probably not the drive, but your power supply!

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07-29-2006, 06:30 PM

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07-29-2006, 07:00 PM

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07-29-2006, 07:04 PM

I havent had a hard drive fail since the early 90's when my first full height 10 megabyte drive failed because I didnt have room in the computer for it. I ran the ribbon cable outside of the case, and extended the power cable about 10 inches, lmao. Dont do that

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07-29-2006, 08:01 PM

never had a drive die on me either try die on me either
as mentioned above if you have drives that die on you all the time i would be looking at your power supply , best to get a new one of decent quality
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07-29-2006, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by aico

If they all fucking suck and will eventually fail on you?

I am so sick if this shit. Does anyone even give a fuck when they build these colossal pieces of shit or do they just slap em together and ship em out?

Anyone here have a RAID setup? is it worth the extra money? How exactly does RAID work?

I figure the time and money lost from every Harddrive I've lost in the past it might add up to a RAID system.

This may not be the best way to do things but I have a raid 1 (mirror) 250gb array with svn and eachnight when im done working or whenever i change something, i commit my work to my svn server. this way, i can always go back and do a diff on my changes over time or go back to a point where i changed a certain piece of code all together. whenever i need to deploy it to to say a customers computer or make a backup, i just export it. simple enough for me. it also gets you in the practice of being able to easily work with others so if you have a project that requires svn or cvs you'll know what to do just my

also with the raid incase one drive fails the other still has all my data on it so svn + raid is very nice and has been a life saver. I do also agree that if someones drive is failing that it's probably the PSU. I'd recommend anything tagen psu... they are about $100 or so but they are excellent

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07-29-2006, 10:20 PM

I go through a few hard drives every year... I have setup my network so that my 'work' folders are automatically copied to another machine on my network every night, and I also backup everything to dvd's weekly..

In the past, I have lost months of work because I was too lazy to make proper backups.. that's one mistake I definately learnt from.

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07-29-2006, 10:27 PM

I have had several fail ..... every time they first started to make noise. Backed them up, replaced without a problem.

Have you noticed noise?
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07-29-2006, 10:37 PM

hard disks only have a life expectency of 3-5 years, so be sure to backup all your stuff once a year or so on cd's

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07-29-2006, 10:39 PM

I have had quite a few fail on me so I know the feeling.

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07-29-2006, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by FiReC

if you are losing more than a couple drives a year its probably not the drive, but your power supply!

Hmmm... and why is that. Cuz my shit is lucky to last a year.
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07-29-2006, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by bizarredollars

I go through a few hard drives every year... I have setup my network so that my 'work' folders are automatically copied to another machine on my network every night, and I also backup everything to dvd's weekly..

In the past, I have lost months of work because I was too lazy to make proper backups.. that's one mistake I definately learnt from.

This sounds very similar to my routine. After my first western digital failed after 3 months I have never ever trusted harddrives solely.

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07-29-2006, 11:05 PM

Western Digitals used to have a good rep. Now I stay away from them. Same with Maxtor.

Only one I trust is Seagate. I read an article the other day where the head of IT for Microsoft said they use Seagates, and only Seagates for their most critical corporate systems. So that says a lot.

Figure every 3 years toss them just to be safe.

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07-30-2006, 03:25 AM

hard drives are essential to store pr0n on

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07-30-2006, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by KRL

Western Digitals used to have a good rep. Now I stay away from them. Same with Maxtor.

Only one I trust is Seagate. I read an article the other day where the head of IT for Microsoft said they use Seagates, and only Seagates for their most critical corporate systems. So that says a lot.

Figure every 3 years toss them just to be safe.

hehe... all my old maxtor drives are dead lol, none of the seagates are. Honestly seagate's quality has fallen some in recent years, my drive of choice these days is a Hitachi. Before Hitachi took over, they were the shitty IBM Deskstar drives which failed about the same as Maxtor, but after Hitachi started they have been top notch ever since. Grade A+ all the way in performance and longevity.
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07-30-2006, 03:54 AM

here's a real tip that is not mentioned often..

never turn off your computer..... never... and I'll repeat that again
never... if you have a good drive it will like to run and they don't like to change temperatures... of course cooling is nice, they don't like to be hot either, so buy a real case...

Everyone I ever talk to that had a hard drive fail, I ask them if they turn their coputer off when not using them.. all of them replied yes..

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07-30-2006, 05:23 AM

Originally posted by flashbang

here's a real tip that is not mentioned often..

never turn off your computer..... never... and I'll repeat that again
never... if you have a good drive it will like to run and they don't like to change temperatures... of course cooling is nice, they don't like to be hot either, so buy a real case...

Everyone I ever talk to that had a hard drive fail, I ask them if they turn their coputer off when not using them.. all of them replied yes..

the never turning off due to the temp changes is a bullshit myth , nothing cools down that fast , its a gradual temp change over a period of time , so it would have fuck all to do with the drives dying

however there is the myth that the constant surge of power to the drive could kill it over time , wear and tear on the componets

but with the statement of proper cooling yes i do agree with that , drives need a good airflow
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07-30-2006, 05:46 AM

just do regular backups and you'll be fine...

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07-30-2006, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by aico

You are a lucky man, I've gone thru 3, and it fucking sucks.

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07-30-2006, 08:02 AM

I have a RAID 1+0 setup (4 drives, 600Gb, redundant) as my main storage, then a RAID 0 (2 drives, 640Gb, non redundant) for backups and expendable data like browser caches and swap files. All 6 drives are internal.

I did have some initial problems with Seagate SATA drives. One was DOA and the other was reporting a S.M.A.R.T. error within 24 hours. Both were exchanged without fuss and the 4 I have now have not skipped a beat.

In the RAID 1+0 array, I'm using Seagate drives, manufactured in 3 different countries/batches (to avoid the chances of a bad batch resulting in near simultaneous failure of more than one drive). In the RAID 0 array I'm using Western Digital as further redundancy against any nasty bugs the Seagate SATA firmware may have.

Anyway, before considering redundancy you should also look at environment. Are your drives sufficiently cooled? My case has a large fan at the front of each stack of 3-4 drives which keeps them "metal cool" rather than warm or even hot.
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07-31-2006, 12:09 AM

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07-31-2006, 12:13 AM

i've had 2 failed drives in the last 11 years. Let's just hope that trend continues!
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12-27-2006, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by fastfun

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Raid 5 = parity, you dont want that as a consumer

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12-27-2006, 06:24 AM

Only 1 hard drive fail on me in pry 10 years that I've been using computers.
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12-27-2006, 12:54 PM

Always do back ups

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12-27-2006, 01:02 PM

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Only had two fail in the last 8 years. I must be lucky.

Very. I've had more than that in the past 6 months.

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12-27-2006, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by aico

If they all fucking suck and will eventually fail on you?

I am so sick if this shit. Does anyone even give a fuck when they build these colossal pieces of shit or do they just slap em together and ship em out?

Anyone here have a RAID setup? is it worth the extra money? How exactly does RAID work?

I figure the time and money lost from every Harddrive I've lost in the past it might add up to a RAID system.

First off, Google/Wiki are your friends, or do you want us to go get the info for you then cut and paste? Secondly, if you don't look after the HD (like defrag, maintain it well, etc) it will become a pile of shit in no time, if you look after it it will be good for a few years. Back up onto dvd or onto another hd, it's not complex, we are all in the same boat.
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12-27-2006, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by notabook

The newer Hitatchi (2k3+) drives perform the best in longevity imo, anything Maxtor is a piece of shit for long-term use. I just recently pruned through all my old hard drives (sub 4gb drives), six out of the twenty were dead. ALL SIX DEAD DRIVES were the Maxtor?s. The other 14 drives were fine, majority of which were Seagate.

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12-27-2006, 01:25 PM

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I just burn a dvd once a week and I put every thing I've spent any significant time wroking on or downloading ... it's easier that way.

raids can be a pain in teh ass

thats what I do, find it works better for me.
sometimes I do it more often if needed.
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