Likely a dumb one, but a 4472 question all the same

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  • selena
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    • Aug 2004
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    #1

    Likely a dumb one, but a 4472 question all the same

    I just skimmed the 64 page pdf on this, and I'm not seeing what it is that has people in such an uproar.

    Could someone point out the exact section to me?
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  • knightdown
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    • Jul 2006
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    #2
    Originally posted by selena
    I just skimmed the 64 page pdf on this, and I'm not seeing what it is that has people in such an uproar.

    Could someone point out the exact section to me?
    Yeah I thought the same thing last night. I took it as you had to have the Same records as the producer of the content, instead of so and so at some location. Is this what you got from this?

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    • Kimo
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      • Jan 2006
      • 11542

      #3
      this thing is an outrage!!!!!!!!! the sky is falling!!!!!!!
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      • selena
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        • Aug 2004
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        #4
        Originally posted by Kimo
        this thing is an outrage!!!!!!!!! the sky is falling!!!!!!!

        I don't think anything of the sort, but I do like to stay educated on what my responsibilites are.
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        • joshll
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          • Jul 2006
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          #5
          Originally posted by selena
          I don't think anything of the sort, but I do like to stay educated on what my responsibilites are.
          im not sure either
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          • fubar00
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            • Jan 2004
            • 61

            #6
            Originally posted by selena
            I just skimmed the 64 page pdf on this, and I'm not seeing what it is that has people in such an uproar.

            Could someone point out the exact section to me?
            Selena,
            Knightdown is correct. The major issue is that now you must have copies of the same 2257 docs that previously only primary producers needed. There is no more secondary producer protection or omission from the record keeping regulations.

            Since many, no make that most affiliate program operators along with content sales companies will never release model releases and id's for the content that is either being sold or freely given for use in tgp's and mgp's, basically said content is illegal to use for anyone but the primary producer.

            Even if a person gets a hold of the necessary 2257 docs from a content producer or affiliate operator there is still the issue of a trackable database, the fact that each and every image has to be traceable down to every web page url it is visible on and cross referenced by 5 search parameters and that the records have to be at a place of business open for inspection by authorities 20 or more hours per week, plus the NEW inclusion of "Simulated Sex acts" now being covered under the new Federal Law.

            None of this of course makes any difference if "one" doesn't care about complying or has it in their heads that so long as they have proof of age nothing else matters.

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            • Hollywood376
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              • Jul 2005
              • 1154

              #7
              Originally posted by selena
              I just skimmed the 64 page pdf on this, and I'm not seeing what it is that has people in such an uproar.

              Could someone point out the exact section to me?
              I believe the problem most are worried about is section V (or 5).

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              • selena
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                • Aug 2004
                • 7995

                #8
                Originally posted by fubar00
                Selena,
                Knightdown is correct. The major issue is that now you must have copies of the same 2257 docs that previously only primary producers needed. There is no more secondary producer protection or omission from the record keeping regulations.

                Since many, no make that most affiliate program operators along with content sales companies will never release model releases and id's for the content that is either being sold or freely given for use in tgp's and mgp's, basically said content is illegal to use for anyone but the primary producer.

                Even if a person gets a hold of the necessary 2257 docs from a content producer or affiliate operator there is still the issue of a trackable database, the fact that each and every image has to be traceable down to every web page url it is visible on and cross referenced by 5 search parameters and that the records have to be at a place of business open for inspection by authorities 20 or more hours per week, plus the NEW inclusion of "Simulated Sex acts" now being covered under the new Federal Law.

                None of this of course makes any difference if "one" doesn't care about complying or has it in their heads that so long as they have proof of age nothing else matters.
                I must be mistaken then, because I thought that was what the 2257 regs that went into effect last July had to do with....the record keeping requirements and the ID issue. Though the "Simulated Sex acts" is a new one to me.

                Thank you.

                I obviously need to read more.
                Last edited by selena; 07-29-2006, 10:47 AM.
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                • Lifer
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                  • Feb 2004
                  • 871

                  #9
                  I wonder if the DOJ was anticipating a loss in the FSC suit and even if the FSC wins, the new 4472 law still requires secondary producers to maintain records and the FSC will have to spend money yet again for the same issue.

                  Just a thought
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