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  • SmokeyTheBear
    ►SouthOfHeaven
    • Jun 2004
    • 28609
    #1

    3 yrs PRISON for nipple piercing videos (2257)

    http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=272586

    Does anyone know any more info about this site/story

    3 years for nipple piercing vids seems a bit serious. did a search for the video to see whats on it , but i cant find it anywhere. i imagine it must be some sort of s&m video or bondage or something
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    • TurboAngel
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      • Jun 2003
      • 30122
      #2
      That sucks.



      I liked you old sig better!

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        • czarina
          Webmaster Extraordinaire
          • Jul 2002
          • 10751
          #3
          3 years? ouch!

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            • DEA - banned for life
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              • Nov 2004
              • 7886
              #4
              jeesh....amred robbersget less than that

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                • czarina
                  Webmaster Extraordinaire
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 10751
                  #5
                  That is truly fucked up.

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                    • pornguy
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                        • the alchemist
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                          • Dec 2004
                          • 3271
                          #7
                          It doesn't even make sense, logic or law wise... unless the judge was too drunk to know better...

                          "Judge Sanders rejected the argument that violence is a First Amendment-protected form of speech."

                          Nipples piercing, violence? Might want to look up your dictionary there, your honor:

                          1. Physical force exerted for the purpose of violating, damaging, or abusing: crimes of violence.
                          2. The act or an instance of violent action or behavior.
                          3. Intensity or severity, as in natural phenomena; untamed force: the violence of a tornado.
                          4. Abusive or unjust exercise of power.
                          5. Abuse or injury to meaning, content, or intent: do violence to a text.
                          6. Vehemence of feeling or expression; fervor.
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                            • Dirty Dane
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                              • Feb 2004
                              • 9491
                              #8
                              3 years? Wow, what a crime

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                                • pocketkangaroo
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jan 2005
                                  • 8452
                                  #9
                                  I'm not saying they had a right to do it, but they weren't nipple piercing vids. They were selling rape/torture videos. Very extreme stuff. Site was ForbiddenVideos.com.

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                                    • darksoul
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                                      • Apr 2002
                                      • 4997
                                      #10
                                      The guy posted on gfy not long ago.
                                      I think "Convicted" was his nick
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                                        • Kimo
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                                          • Jan 2006
                                          • 11542
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by darksoul
                                          The guy posted on gfy not long ago.
                                          I think "Convicted" was his nick



                                          how ironic
                                          ...

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                                            • SmokeyTheBear
                                              ►SouthOfHeaven
                                              • Jun 2004
                                              • 28609
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
                                              I'm not saying they had a right to do it, but they weren't nipple piercing vids. They were selling rape/torture videos. Very extreme stuff. Site was ForbiddenVideos.com.
                                              thats what im wondering but if it is rape/torture videos why would AVN try to cop it off as being "nipple piercing".

                                              Im just wondering if its s&m / bondage or actual rape/torture depictions ?
                                              hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                • the alchemist
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Dec 2004
                                                  • 3271
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
                                                  I'm not saying they had a right to do it, but they weren't nipple piercing vids. They were selling rape/torture videos. Very extreme stuff. Site was ForbiddenVideos.com.
                                                  Now that is quite a different story, thanks for the truth.
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                                                    • KRL
                                                      Entrepreneur
                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 31429
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                      http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=272586

                                                      Does anyone know any more info about this site/story

                                                      3 years for nipple piercing vids seems a bit serious. did a search for the video to see whats on it , but i cant find it anywhere. i imagine it must be some sort of s&m video or bondage or something
                                                      Piercing? Try rape videos.

                                                      Those guys ran Forbidden Videos.

                                                      "After securing a conviction against the Ragsdales, federal prosecutors turned their attention to Gartman and McDowell, who operated ForbiddenVideos.com. According to prosecutors, the site was used to advertise and sell obscene content distributed via VHS cassettes, CDs and streaming video. The video in question depicted rape scenes, sexual torture and other explicit sex acts, prosecutors said."

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                                                        • darksoul
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                                                          • Apr 2002
                                                          • 4997
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Kimo


                                                          how ironic
                                                          not at all, he already knew about it.
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                                                            • superglam2006
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                                                              • Jul 2006
                                                              • 81
                                                              #16
                                                              wow.... 3 years for videos?... I wonder what lots of nipple piercing pics would cost someone?

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                                                                • RawAlex
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                  • 9465
                                                                  #17
                                                                  SMokey, here is the deal:

                                                                  Tom Gartman made his money selling videos of rapes. Pure and simple. The material on the tapes shows nothing but non consentual acts, including nipple piercing where the person getting the piercing is bound, gagged, and otherwise restrained.

                                                                  This guy is truly one of the sickest fucks you will ever meet, and 3 years is nowhere near enough for what some of these girls were subject to.

                                                                  We should all be happy that the courts are smart enough to know the difference between consentual and non-consentual sex acts.

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                                                                    • Dirty Dane
                                                                      Sick Fuck
                                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                                      • 9491
                                                                      #18
                                                                      I dont mind S/M and bondage, but rape is sick. Even if its simulated.

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                                                                        • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                          ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                          • Jun 2004
                                                                          • 28609
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by KRL
                                                                          Piercing? Try rape videos.

                                                                          Those guys ran Forbidden Videos.

                                                                          "After securing a conviction against the Ragsdales, federal prosecutors turned their attention to Gartman and McDowell, who operated ForbiddenVideos.com. According to prosecutors, the site was used to advertise and sell obscene content distributed via VHS cassettes, CDs and streaming video. The video in question depicted rape scenes, sexual torture and other explicit sex acts, prosecutors said."

                                                                          http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=16231
                                                                          i'm not familiar with the website , but im looking at it now on the waybackmachine and it looks like a "simulated" rape site.. i dont promote those type's of sites and i am kind of "on the fence" on them. We see simulated DEATH scenes on t.v. all day long , that doesnt mean we murder people, so why should it be any different from rape . Youtube has videos of people being killed in car accidents, is it any more/less sick ? infact we see simulated rape scenes on t.v. and with the invention of tv recording devices it put the ability for the consumer to capture and re-display t.v. rape scenes back to back so is it really that "sick" to have "simulated" rape/torture videos.

                                                                          but then again realistically i am thinking to myself , who would be buying these videos .. prob perv wannabe rapists, but on the other hand are people who watch car accidents sick wannabe murderers/accidenters lol
                                                                          hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                            • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                              ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                                              • 28609
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                              SMokey, here is the deal:

                                                                              Tom Gartman made his money selling videos of rapes. Pure and simple. The material on the tapes shows nothing but non consentual acts, including nipple piercing where the person getting the piercing is bound, gagged, and otherwise restrained.

                                                                              This guy is truly one of the sickest fucks you will ever meet, and 3 years is nowhere near enough for what some of these girls were subject to.

                                                                              We should all be happy that the courts are smart enough to know the difference between consentual and non-consentual sex acts.
                                                                              ok these were real rapes ? or simulated rapes ?
                                                                              hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                                • Corona
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                                  • 2185
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                  Piercing? Try rape videos.

                                                                                  "After securing a conviction against the Ragsdales, federal prosecutors turned their attention to Gartman and McDowell, who operated ForbiddenVideos.com. According to prosecutors, the site was used to advertise and sell obscene content distributed via VHS cassettes, CDs and streaming video. The video in question depicted rape scenes, sexual torture and other explicit sex acts, prosecutors said."

                                                                                  First let me say that I have a close family member that was raped and I certanly have no compasion for rapists.


                                                                                  I think you are being unfair to these guys.

                                                                                  The key phrase is "According to prosecutors" which does not mean shit.

                                                                                  What counts is the jury and they had an opportunity to find the "rape" video obscene but didn't.

                                                                                  Since they equate "nipple piercing" with "sexual torture" the "rape" video must have been pretty mild.


                                                                                  PAIR FOUND GUILTY IN OBSCENITY TRIAL

                                                                                  DALLAS, TX -- After deliberating 6 hours, a jury here has found Clarence Thomas Gartman and Brent Alan McDowell guilty of having shipped an obscene video across state lines. The jury also found Gartman guilty of a conspiracy charge.
                                                                                  The verdict highlights once again the confusing and subjective nature of obscenity law in this country. The video found obscene by the jury contained nipple piercing billed as sexual torture, but no explicit sexual acts. Another video, found not to be obscene, was a rape video which had been deemed obscene by a different jury in the conviction of Garry and Tamara Ragsdale, former business partners with Gartman, in October 2003. A third video, also not obscene in the eyes of the jury, featured urination and defecation.
                                                                                  "The obscenity law is still mired in inconsistency," said Gartman's attorney Andrew Chatham. "It simply does not give clear directions as to what is allowed to be sold or not sold to consenting adults."
                                                                                  From Tim Wyatt, The Dallas Morning News, 3/14/06
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                                                                                    • RawAlex
                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                                                      • 9465
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Smokey, their story was that they were simulated rapes, but my feeling is that there were real rapes or surprise video shootings that showed a real rape that was later "model released" when the model found out it was them.

                                                                                      I saw a couple of clips... if it wasn't real, the girls should be working in hollywood, they put the pro actors to shame.

                                                                                      Rape, sexual sadism, and abuse. Sad.

                                                                                      That a jury in Texas didn't find waterports or scat to be obscene is pretty wild.

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                                                                                        • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                          ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                          • Jun 2004
                                                                                          • 28609
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Corona
                                                                                          First let me say that I have a close family member that was raped and I certanly have no compasion for rapists.


                                                                                          I think you are being unfair to these guys.

                                                                                          The key phrase is "According to prosecutors" which does not mean shit.

                                                                                          What counts is the jury and they had an opportunity to find the "rape" video obscene but didn't.

                                                                                          Since they equate "nipple piercing" with "sexual torture" the "rape" video must have been pretty mild.


                                                                                          PAIR FOUND GUILTY IN OBSCENITY TRIAL
                                                                                          thats what i was kind of trying to say , but on looking at the waybackmachine version of this site one of the first video screen caps i see is of a dude with pantyhose on his head like a robber , boning some chick and then a forced blowjob type pic , so its obvious in some of the videos they are directly "simulating" rape. ( unless its roleplaying type thing )
                                                                                          hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                                            • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                              ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                                                              • 28609
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                              Smokey, their story was that they were simulated rapes, but my feeling is that there were real rapes or surprise video shootings that showed a real rape that was later "model released" when the model found out it was them.

                                                                                              I saw a couple of clips... if it wasn't real, the girls should be working in hollywood, they put the pro actors to shame.

                                                                                              Rape, sexual sadism, and abuse. Sad.

                                                                                              That a jury in Texas didn't find waterports or scat to be obscene is pretty wild.
                                                                                              hmm now im not sure what to think. if they were directly showing real rape videos , they should be locked up quick , but im unsure what to think if they are simulated.. i dont like it , but then again i dont like war news either but i watch it..
                                                                                              hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                                                • L0rdJuni0r
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                                                                                                  • Oct 2004
                                                                                                  • 5883
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  i think there is more than they are saying. 3 years is a bit harsh for that.
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                                                                                                    • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                      ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                      • Jun 2004
                                                                                                      • 28609
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by TurboAngel
                                                                                                      That sucks.



                                                                                                      I liked you old sig better!

                                                                                                      my old sig ? which one ?
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                                                                                                        • Corona
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                                                                                                          • Feb 2002
                                                                                                          • 2185
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                          hmm now im not sure what to think. if they were directly showing real rape videos , they should be locked up quick , but im unsure what to think if they are simulated.. i dont like it , but then again i dont like war news either but i watch it..
                                                                                                          They had to be simulated or else they would have been convicted for rape and distributing the real video which would have been found obscene and rightly so.


                                                                                                          You always hear that rape is not a sexual crime but an act of violence. Hollywood show rapes all them time without the closeups. I don't see much difference.
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                                                                                                            • Antonio
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                                                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                                                              • 14136
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Corona
                                                                                                              They had to be simulated or else they would have been convicted for rape and distributing the real video which would have been found obscene and rightly so.


                                                                                                              You always hear that rape is not a sexual crime but an act of violence. Hollywood show rapes all them time without the closeups. I don't see much difference.

                                                                                                              Hollywood has huge muscle, don't think a judge will even try his luck with them

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                                                                                                                • L-Pink
                                                                                                                  working on my tan
                                                                                                                  • Mar 2005
                                                                                                                  • 39151
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  A girlfriend has a nipple pierced. This was done at a state licensed business.

                                                                                                                  If I would've recorded and sold the procedure I could go to jail?

                                                                                                                  What about the prime time make-over show with cosmetic surgery?

                                                                                                                  I'm confused .......

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                                                                                                                    • CamsLord
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                                                                                                                      • Jun 2006
                                                                                                                      • 3663
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      thats kinda harash
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                                                                                                                        • Tom_PM
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                                                                                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                          • 16443
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          I just wanted to mention that 2257 had nothing to do with this.
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                                                                                                                            • CaptainHowdy
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                                                                                                                              • Dec 2004
                                                                                                                              • 94107
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by PR_Tom
                                                                                                                              I just wanted to mention that 2257 had nothing to do with this.
                                                                                                                              !!

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