Why are we so sure "secondary producers" means affiliates?

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  • luv$
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    • Dec 2004
    • 6158
    #1

    Why are we so sure "secondary producers" means affiliates?

    I mean, logically speaking, the primary producer would be the shooter of the content, and if you purchased the content, (as in a non-exsclusive paysite or purchased content for your own promotion) which would be compliant as you get copies of all docs when you purchase -- then wouldn't "secondary producer" stop there?

    Why do we assume "secondary producer" is an affiliate? If you're using the content from the "secondary producer" (affiliate program), doesn't that make you a distributor, or something along those lines and not accountable?
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    • crockett
      in a van by the river
      • May 2003
      • 76818
      #2
      I believe it's because when you then use that content to build a new web page. They consider that as a new published work.
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        • Mutt
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Sep 2002
          • 34431
          #3
          Originally posted by luv$
          I mean, logically speaking, the primary producer would be the shooter of the content, and if you purchased the content, (as in a non-exsclusive paysite or purchased content for your own promotion) which would be compliant as you get copies of all docs when you purchase -- then wouldn't "secondary producer" stop there?

          Why do we assume "secondary producer" is an affiliate? If you're using the content from the "secondary producer" (affiliate program), doesn't that make you a distributor, or something along those lines and not accountable?
          you're working for a top notch outfit like Sapphic Erotica and you haven't even read 2257?
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            • FreeHugeMovies
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Dec 2001
              • 14142
              #4
              Originally posted by Mutt
              you're working for a top notch outfit like Sapphic Erotica and you haven't even read 2257?
              LOL So true

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                • Lycanthrope
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 4517
                  #5
                  sec·ond·ar·y
                  adj.

                  Of a lower rank; not primary.
                  Inferior.
                  Minor; lesser.

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                    • JD
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 22651
                      #6
                      Originally posted by luv$
                      I mean, logically speaking, the primary producer would be the shooter of the content, and if you purchased the content, (as in a non-exsclusive paysite or purchased content for your own promotion) which would be compliant as you get copies of all docs when you purchase -- then wouldn't "secondary producer" stop there?

                      Why do we assume "secondary producer" is an affiliate? If you're using the content from the "secondary producer" (affiliate program), doesn't that make you a distributor, or something along those lines and not accountable?
                      good point, but I think it's yet another "gray area" that the man can choose to enforce or not at will

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                        • Matt 26z
                          So Fucking Banned
                          • Apr 2002
                          • 18481
                          #7
                          I don't see why affiliates presenting content as belonging to a paysite is any different than a brick and mortar XXX movie theater.

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                            • luv$
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                              • Dec 2004
                              • 6158
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Mutt
                              you're working for a top notch outfit like Sapphic Erotica and you haven't even read 2257?
                              While this law has been in effect for years, recently the Department of Justice (DOJ) issued new regulations that expand the definition of a "secondary producer" of sexually explicit material. As of June 23, 2005, new federal regulations apply the record-keeping requirement to these secondary producers, and defines them as anyone "who inserts on a computer site or service a digital image of, or otherwise manages the sexually explicit content of a computer site or service that contains a visual depiction" of sexually explicit conduct.

                              The regulations imply that the record-keeping requirement is restricted to commercial operations.
                              http://www.eff.org/bloggers/lg/faq-adult.php

                              Mutt, I haven't had much time to look into this, as I am very busy. While I agree it is a priority, I was under the impression that the industry was assuming secondary producers were affiliates (which, according to that link, still is pretty unclear).

                              Sapphic doesn't have anything to do with my personal research, and has their own legal counsel, which frankly, is not anything I am privy to unless I'm specifically told something.

                              Of course, after your comment, I did do a google search to find out why I would sound so stupid and stumbled on that link above, irregardless, the point of this thread was to debate something that I think everyone is not 100% clear on in the first place.





                              And FreeHugeMovies, when are you going to lose that hardon you have for me? I think it's funny that you never say a damn thing but are pretty swift to come in when someone else does. I know it's easier to jump on a bandwagon but personally I would prefer it if you just hit me up in ICQ so we could sort things out like adults. If this is about that conversation SEVERAL months ago about an issue I don't even give a shit about, I already explained my reasons to you and I'm not going to do it again.

                              You appeased my curiosity but took it WAY too personally. In my mind it's a non-issue and it should be for you as well.
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                                • Kimo
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                                  • Jan 2006
                                  • 11542
                                  #9
                                  secondary producer is the affiliate, your fucked, im fucked, we're all fucked, im just going to sell all my sites and go mainstream
                                  ...

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                                    • JD
                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                      • Sep 2003
                                      • 22651
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Kimo
                                      secondary producer is the affiliate, your fucked, im fucked, we're all fucked, im just going to sell all my sites and go mainstream
                                      i've got a couple hundred in epass. What'cha got for sale

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