How come webmasters don't form groups like hackers do?

They do, except in the legitimate business world they call these "companies" and "partnerships".

Count me in, I want a nice looking logo though.

Greed...

lets start a crew

They do, they are called "Bros"

What's BP4L... a tea group?

i am l33t h4x0r

umm, we have several. It's what most people refer to as "networking"

I'm in two danish and one European group. Most of the time you need to find the groups yourself and explain why you would be a valuable addition.

Group with people around you own level of expertise

Maybe they are out there, I just don't hear about them too often.

Companies and partnerships operate on a bit of a different level than groups though.

Most of the larger sized "independent" webmasters are getting sucked up into program partnerships, even I myself have extreme loyalty to a specific sponsor.

and yes.. common sense would dictate that a new recruit would have at least the same stature and capabilities that you yourself maintain.

But I'm fairly certain groups could make the individual more money in the end, even if just for the consistency.

If their are groups out there, let's hear some names.

partnerships are powerful

wanna be in my group?

Please don't preach to me about legitimacy and networking people,

I do more than fine for myself, thanks though.

Meant to be a fun little question, nothing more.. so take your sarcasm and shove it up your tight ass and go preach in another thread you awful.. awful little cunts.

and that last statement applies to no one in particular

I want to be in your groupie

Thats what I was thinking when I was reading his first post.




Also, funny story... the whole hack and slash IRC kiddie days is what got me into the porn biz also.


I have an IRC server up, go buy yourself some shells and eggies and lets go make a group haha...

daft cunts

blind cunts

There are groups,but it seems they are mostly formed localy and offline.It would be cool to see international webmaster group.

I'm the guy they hire to make sure certain groups don't get ahead, if you catch my drift.

Corporate sabotage is my bread and butter.

Come on, your only example was your AOL software... What kind of answer were you looking for?

Are there any girls in your newly formed group?
If so count me in
If not well i go on living my associal webmasterlive and my social partying and dating live

Anyways much luck finding and forming your group

Exactly,

extreme seller's, able to pool volume for higher payouts and benefits.

Totally taking each market approach and owning it, different traffic sources, variable selling points, etc.

In a sense yes programs do similar things, but they aren't vicious enough in their attack, because for the most point they are restricted by having something to loose.

Not the same hunger as before, and not able to take risks that would generate larger rewards... a bit of complacency.. so much so that I see programs now that have lost all common sense in general.. incredibly out of touch. So unsure of themselves, they leech of other people's innovation and ideas.. usually smaller webmasters.

Would seem only logical that groups would form, and if they already existed be more blatant about it.. but then again as mentioned, GREED is a big problem, as well as ignorance.

I never understand how certain people get these sweet ass salary fluff jobs at larger programs, when they contribute almost nothing.

Naturally it's an attribute to be an empty vessel as well, and carry out orders to the "t" only being told one time, but still doesn't mean you can't be a little creative and try a few extra tactics.

Programs now are missing out on surfer psychology bigtime, I mean just look how cartoonish the porn sites still are.

Anyways, I would love to see an active group, with a webpage, doing a good job of "flexing" the resources they have and the sales volume they can do when they aim their guns at any particular area, this is where the benefits are at.

I would revel taking part in something like that, just as I used to.. Leave the dummies out the door and get twerking.

Real funny thing is, I would imagine that a group even of lesser morals.. would have a more padded approach to how they treat the customer than most affiliate programs today.. which just shows you just how greedy people can get.. burning viable resources without planting any new ones

Bottom line, if you were part of a group you would make a bigger impact and have to be taken a lot more seriously.. you also wouldn't get rolled over in the slightest.. or used up I should say.. and this I have experienced many times operating alone.

My only example was AOL?

No.. AOL and ICQ took up a fucking HUGE portion of the adult market as per webmasters are considered back in those days, I don't give a damn what you say.

Also the groups were only started on aol and icq, they had no limitations after that.

MANY adult webmasters were forged from aol and icq ventures buddy, I assure you.

I started off hacking, which led to cracking, which led to spamming for programs.. and I honestly don't care where you from, if you underestimate the value of AOL spam back in the day your a fucking nutter, it was king.. the #1 online service out there.

So yeah, when I mention aol or icq how is it not totally relevant perfect example again?

Nor do I, I like your style.

I am sure like minded individuals would agree.

Time to start a group, take the initiative?

This cant be handled like the average web project, by running out and getting a domain then trying to attach people to that ideal set. Rather, this must be constructed from the root as a collaboration. Like Obama's campaign.

Groups in warez is fine, cause your fucking the scene already. So a bunch of retards on a chatroom is fun, everyone is stupid and doing illegal stuff, it is what makes them family. Just like Maffia....

But groups with adult webmasters? Nah men, this scene is to exclusive. When you have a skill, you keep it for yourself, and make money, bring bread on the table.

EXCLUSIVE WORK.... Not ripping or leeching someones his uploads and whoring it out on a KATZ warez site.

PS Tube site owners are not exclusive, those are the previous warez webmasters feeling themselves to good for our work.

hehe i used to write mirc scripts when i was 15 & bomb kids w/ winnuke... ahh the good ol days

That's a fairly relative point, but at the same rate I find that most individual webmasters are skilled in a certain "area" of traffic or sales.

Take a pie chart for an example, divided into 10ths.

If each webmaster has a particular area or niche mastered, or even a particular traffic source, basically any methodology. They could all contribute their form of profit to a larger scheme, and I guarantee you the benefits of all of their contributions pooled together would far outweigh what they accomplish individually.. I mean just look what program owners do with backends, by pooling webmaster sales.. that's just one simple aspect. Things like consistency, security, and a much easier ability to adapt and stay with the times would be one of my other benefits.

So I see your point, but nah.. incorrect in my opinion.

I guess it all depends on who's a dumb fucking idiot and who isn't, as a group of dumb fucking idiots would always fail vs. a group of intelligent innovative peoples who have one singular goal in mind, to pool resources together and make more money for each other.

there's plenty of joint ventures out there to take part in. they're rarely open membership type of deals though. it's all in getting to know the right peoples.

Oh and.. this scene is totally not exclusive, anyone with an intelligent brain who can practice empathy for the surfer can always survive in this industry as long as they have a small chunk of money to invest.. naturally it's hard to make money from free resources these days like submitting galleries by hand back in the day, but still a lot of wiggle room.

Not only is there a sucker born every minute, debit cards in america alone are enough to subsidize any venture necessary.. and those are increasing with the population. No longer do you need an "exclusive" credit card.

Perhaps I take my skills for granted, when you mention the word exclusive, but ANYONE who has common sense, can read and take direction, can still make a little bit of profit in this industry.

Maybe common sense is exclusive?

This is already being done for ages. On many ways.
But you know what the real bitch is here? I don't like to make money for YOU. ( dont take it personal ) And if you say, Hee i like to make money for you... I get a itch in the back of my head, and starting to wonder how i will get fucked this time.

Having a good and profitable idea is exclusive
Commen sense is part of instinctive skills a webmaster gets after being in this industry for long time.

That sounds about right,

and you have to kiss ass too.. I'm always surprised how people on the top don't like to hear criticism, but rather the familiar responses from their yes men.

I respect people who call a spade a spade, I'm all for the good guys getting ahead.

yes men add no value to any organization

If you don't have a good idea on how your going to generate your profit, then you wouldn't be in any business at all would you.. it's a given.

Plus if in doubt about an idea, why not just see what other people are doing and improve upon their idea? That's always an option.

I think common sense and good taste would get you further than a profitable idea personally, it's all about execution and setting yourself apart.

haha words outta my mouth

there are groups out there like this, they stay relatively tight though & are not appealing if you're an outsider because they are cocky fuck wads

they try to act like god with their leetphish2.0 vb6 winsock apps when in reality only 1 or 2 of them code & the rest are just barnacles

as far as what you're describing, i know these aren't the only types of groups out there... but when you gave the comparison of hacker groups -> webmaster groups these were the only close transitions that i've noticed


$ changes everything, that is why there aren't as many as a warez group, mp3 group, whatever... greed

They do, except they are called 'companies' and its treated more like a business.

If you know hex and glaze you would probably know me. Hex is actually a good friend of mine and I speak to him everyday. Oh the I'm spam days.