is it time for a civil war?

*cough*

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. ? That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ? That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

I suppose you have a point to make, but I am not sure what it is

http://www.youtube.com/v/3TW_WGANgA4&hl=en&fs=1

dude, we get that you don't care..
Why not stick your videos in another thread?

Revolution is NEVER a constitutional debate. Go up 1 dir level.

If you still don't understand, its not my job to pry your head out of your ass.

k thanks

fuck.. it's sad that you people don't give a shit.

There is not a need for revoulution as we had a revolution and estabished our independence, a constitution, three braches of government with built in checks and balances, and we still have the same independence, constitution, and three branches of government with built in checks and balances that we have always had. The very same system of governance we have always had.

If you have a thought about how we can replace our system of governance with a better system of governance then you of course are entitled to have that thought.

k thanks

fuck.. it's sad that you people don't give a shit.

People must focus on in their daily lives.

They do not have time to sit around wondering about the government. It is sad, but it is not that they don't give a shit.

There is no "YOU PEOPLE". There is only us.

Which could lead to a revolt, no?

I thought there was a right to bare arms to protect the people from a tyranous goverment?

The right to bare arms was established so that the average citizen would be armed to help beat back the British invaders. That was the one and only reason it was put into the constitution. Without it we would still be subjects of the crown.

You can see what it has done to our society in modern times.

All this talk that has been occupying the board lately about the economic crisis, nafta, or any other government conspiracy accomplishes nothing other than to occupy your time while things fall apart around you.

Now I am all for a good debate, but what is the point of debating and bickering and cringing behind your keyboards and waiting for the world to end?

If you see something wrong in the world around you, YOUR world, then I don't think sniveling on a board is going to change anything. It is almost as bad as ignoring the problems altogether. If you see something in the world around you and you don't lift a finger to actually try to change it, then what is the point of even complaining about it or worrying about it because as you point out, it is here and it is happening.

And I know some will say, but I AM doing something, I am spreading the word... Well, you're not. All you are doing is trying to get more people to see things the way you do, but fail to give them the tools required to do anything with that info other than to do what you just did. Paint more scary pictures to try and scare the shit out of people.

Fear mongering comes in many forms, but the dibilitating effects always amount to the same. And that is inaction or outright disbelief.

Everyone already knows the world is a scary place and if it is as bad as you think it is, and you only offer prognostic fear instead of real solutions for change you are simply rushing the process of decay.

The worst of these offenders is the "Conspiracy Theorist" who heaps up large doses of fear with no real solutions. In a thesis, I proposed that their efforts might actually be self defeating. Here is an excerpt:

"What if conspiracy theories are actually planted information, using the theorist as a tool for dissemination and disaccreditation? The conspiracy, while inherently true, is presented in such a manner as to allow the average citizen to dismiss it out of hand by the absurdity of its nature and the people who claim it to be true.

Most conspiracy theorists have only the short sighted focus of the problem at hand, or the end result of the conspiracy. Just as a doctor merely treats the symptom rather than the cause, a conspiracy theorist only draws a conclusion, never a solution...."

If you don't like the picture before you, don't bitch about, simply change it.