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  • psili
    Confirmed User
    • Apr 2003
    • 5526
    #101
    Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
    So now the government is GOOD that Bush is going out of office?

    So how long before you think your Obama god will pull troops out of Iraq? Or how long before your Obama god repeals the Patriot Act? Or how long will it be before your Obama god repeals the bailouts? Or how long before your Obama god repeals fisa?
    You went a BIT off-topic, didn't you?
    Your post count means nothing.

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      • IllTestYourGirls
        Ah My Balls
        • Feb 2007
        • 14311
        #102
        Originally posted by psili
        You went a BIT off-topic, didn't you?
        Nope it shows a pattern of Obama supporting illegal and unconstitutional laws. Much like this new mandate he wants to implement.

        The government cant even teach our children to read and write. For 30 years our education system has been declining. What started 30 years ago? The department of education. If we are really serious about fixing our education problem we need to bring it back to the state and local levels.

        Obama just wants to waste more money on failed policies.
        Last edited by IllTestYourGirls; 11-08-2008, 03:15 PM.

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          • psili
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            • Apr 2003
            • 5526
            #103
            Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
            Nope it shows a pattern of Obama supporting illegal and unconstitutional laws. Much like this new mandate he wants to implement.

            The government cant even teach our children to read and write. For 30 years our education system has been declining. What started 30 years ago? The department of education. If we are really serious about fixing our education problem we need to bring it back to the state and local levels.

            Obama just wants to waste more money on failed policies.
            What's illegal and unconstitutional about asking people of the USA to help the country they live in? Is it so wrong to ask this of a nation's citizens? Demanding it's a different story.

            Personally, I think the entitlement everyone seems to think they have in the USA has gone way overboard. Much like assumptions people make.
            Your post count means nothing.

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              • Brujah
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                • Jan 2001
                • 22157
                #104
                People are living longer today than 30 years ago too! OMG, Literacy Kills!

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                  • IllTestYourGirls
                    Ah My Balls
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 14311
                    #105
                    Originally posted by psili
                    What's illegal and unconstitutional about asking people of the USA to help the country they live in? Is it so wrong to ask this of a nation's citizens? Demanding it's a different story.

                    Personally, I think the entitlement everyone seems to think they have in the USA has gone way overboard. Much like assumptions people make.
                    To ask is one thing to mandate is another. Mandating people who have not committed a crime to work is slavery.

                    I see the sense of entitlement is also coming from people who think they should tell others how to live their lives.

                    Do I believe people should help their community? Damn straight! Do I think it should be mandated? No way in hell.

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                      • baddog
                        So Fucking Banned
                        • Apr 2001
                        • 107089
                        #106
                        Originally posted by Brujah
                        Community service is a great idea. Some states or even colleges have it as a requirement for graduation. Were you protesting it before when it happened?
                        Because it wasn't my state, and choice of college is voluntary.

                        Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                        Key word in the statement. STATE


                        Originally posted by Brujah
                        If it should always be left up to the states, why are you raiding California over it's medical marijuana?
                        I thought Obama said that will stop.

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                          • Brujah
                            Beer Money Baron
                            • Jan 2001
                            • 22157
                            #107
                            Obama isn't in charge yet, so of course he isn't the one doing the raiding of medical marijuana spots in California. Why didn't your favorite republican administration respect the STATE? Doesn't that bother you?

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                              • AmigoPorn
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 21583
                                #108
                                Originally posted by cykoe6
                                Obama plans to pay back all of those young Obama voters with 50-100 hours of required community service per year. I am starting to like this guy.



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                                  • IllTestYourGirls
                                    Ah My Balls
                                    • Feb 2007
                                    • 14311
                                    #109
                                    Originally posted by Brujah
                                    Obama isn't in charge yet, so of course he isn't the one doing the raiding of medical marijuana spots in California. Why didn't your favorite republican administration respect the STATE? Doesn't that bother you?
                                    Bush is a neo-con he is for big federal government and all you democrats should be thanking him for making the fed gov as big as he has.

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                                      • BlackCrayon
                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                        • Jun 2003
                                        • 19634
                                        #110
                                        Originally posted by baddog
                                        I love how people from other countries seem to think we should care what their opinion is.
                                        I couldn't care less if you care what my opinion is. I didn't notice "Americans only" anywhere in the post.
                                        you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                          • tony299
                                            lurker
                                            • Aug 2002
                                            • 57021
                                            #111
                                            Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                            Nope it shows a pattern of Obama supporting illegal and unconstitutional laws. Much like this new mandate he wants to implement.

                                            The government cant even teach our children to read and write. For 30 years our education system has been declining. What started 30 years ago? The department of education. If we are really serious about fixing our education problem we need to bring it back to the state and local levels.

                                            Obama just wants to waste more money on failed policies.
                                            you should learn more really. he said the government cant shut the tv or the xbox off and get the kids to do their school work its the parents responsibility.

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                                              • psili
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Apr 2003
                                                • 5526
                                                #112
                                                Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                Bush is a neo-con he is for big federal government and all you democrats should be thanking him for making the fed gov as big as he has.
                                                You dig big government? I could have sworn a couple of posts earlier you were advocating that states' should make the decisions?

                                                Or do you have a sig and just dig the conflict for sig impressions (I have sigs turned off, so am curious)?
                                                Your post count means nothing.

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                                                  • tony299
                                                    lurker
                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                    • 57021
                                                    #113
                                                    like i said people think we live in the greatest country as long as they can sit in their ass and do nothing.

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                                                      • Barefootsies
                                                        Choice is an Illusion
                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                        • 42635
                                                        #114
                                                        Originally posted by tony404
                                                        you should learn more really. he said the government cant shut the tv or the xbox off and get the kids to do their school work its the parents responsibility.
                                                        Exactly right.

                                                        What's next? You want the government to hold your wittle hand when you cross the road?

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                                                          • DWB
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                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                            • 31779
                                                            #115
                                                            Originally posted by tical
                                                            i don't see anything wrong with this, 100 hours from each person could make a HUGE difference in america - why not?

                                                            there should also be a law that will fine parents (at the least) for allowing their kids to become morbidly obese - it is abuse straight up

                                                            how many kids are on type 2 diabetes meds these days? its nuts...
                                                            I co-sign this.

                                                            It wouldn't kill people to get out and do their part.

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                                                              • mrkris
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                                                                • May 2005
                                                                • 2737
                                                                #116
                                                                Originally posted by PurrrsianPussyKat
                                                                Couldn't they do it during vacations or during the summer?
                                                                100 sounds like a lot, but 2-3 hrs a week and you're golden.
                                                                So 100 is a lot, but 104~ is good?

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                                                                  • Snake Doctor
                                                                    I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                    • Mar 2001
                                                                    • 13449
                                                                    #117
                                                                    Originally posted by psili
                                                                    You dig big government? I could have sworn a couple of posts earlier you were advocating that states' should make the decisions?

                                                                    Or do you have a sig and just dig the conflict for sig impressions (I have sigs turned off, so am curious)?
                                                                    Not only that, but if it's the State or Federal government mandating something, it's still a government mandate.
                                                                    Why federal = bad and state = good makes no sense to me.
                                                                    More power to the states doesn't equal smaller government, it equals different government.
                                                                    sig too big

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                                                                      • SilentKnight
                                                                        Megan Fox's fluffer
                                                                        • Oct 2005
                                                                        • 24812
                                                                        #118
                                                                        Originally posted by PurrrsianPussyKat
                                                                        The kids in my daughters high school must perform community service or they cannot graduate. It's called their "senior project".
                                                                        Same thing here. They can either participate in community work or co-op at a local business. Either way it gives them both experience and the opportunity to network with others.

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                                                                          • baddog
                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                            • Apr 2001
                                                                            • 107089
                                                                            #119
                                                                            Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                            Obama isn't in charge yet, so of course he isn't the one doing the raiding of medical marijuana spots in California. Why didn't your favorite republican administration respect the STATE? Doesn't that bother you?
                                                                            My favorite what? When did I ever say I was pro-Bush?

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                                                                              • psili
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Apr 2003
                                                                                • 5526
                                                                                #120
                                                                                Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                                                                                Not only that, but if it's the State or Federal government mandating something, it's still a government mandate.
                                                                                Why federal = bad and state = good makes no sense to me.
                                                                                More power to the states doesn't equal smaller government, it equals different government.
                                                                                I've retarded posted before and I'll probably do it again. Hell, I probably went retarded in one of your threads. Regardless, I'm frightened by people who write straight-up, contradictory posts.

                                                                                I'm also frightened by a lot of other things, but that's neither here nor there.
                                                                                Your post count means nothing.

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                                                                                  • dalt
                                                                                    Registered User
                                                                                    • Apr 2007
                                                                                    • 48
                                                                                    #121
                                                                                    Sounds like slave labor to me.

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                                                                                      • Super Negro
                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                        • Aug 2006
                                                                                        • 215
                                                                                        #122
                                                                                        jesus, this board blows shit SO far out of proportion it is hilarious

                                                                                        quick, someone start a new 2257 rumor

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                                                                                          • After Shock Media
                                                                                            It's coming look busy
                                                                                            • Mar 2001
                                                                                            • 35299
                                                                                            #123
                                                                                            Originally posted by dalt
                                                                                            Sounds like slave labor to me.
                                                                                            That is it. Community service = slave labor.
                                                                                            So glad that we put a stop to all of that shit after WWI and WWII. If we have proved anything, we have proved that community service does not help and it indeed is not only unamerican it is slave labor.

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                                                                                              • media
                                                                                                Confirmed Moneymaker
                                                                                                • Apr 2002
                                                                                                • 9853
                                                                                                #124
                                                                                                Great Idea IMO.. 100 hours a year for 4 years, and you get the first $4000 of your college free?? That is $10.00 an hour for community service..

                                                                                                What is wrong with that? Its a great deal... Help out people who need it and get a break on your first year of school.
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                                                                                                  • Super Negro
                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                    • Aug 2006
                                                                                                    • 215
                                                                                                    #125
                                                                                                    Originally posted by media
                                                                                                    Great Idea IMO.. 100 hours a year for 4 years, and you get the first $4000 of your college free?? That is $10.00 an hour for community service..

                                                                                                    What is wrong with that? Its a great deal... Help out people who need it and get a break on your first year of school.
                                                                                                    shit, for some people that is their ENTIRE college tuition...not a great college, but still school

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                                                                                                      • After Shock Media
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                                                                                                        • Mar 2001
                                                                                                        • 35299
                                                                                                        #126
                                                                                                        Originally posted by media
                                                                                                        Great Idea IMO.. 100 hours a year for 4 years, and you get the first $4000 of your college free?? That is $10.00 an hour for community service..

                                                                                                        What is wrong with that? Its a great deal... Help out people who need it and get a break on your first year of school.
                                                                                                        Like I touched on before.

                                                                                                        What would happen if say those who qualified could get free medical school, or say free nursing, medical specialty, etc. In return when they graduate they put in same amount of time school took working at a hospital for minimal pay (survivable but minimal). Would that not help to get closer to affordable healthcare plus get more people into healthcare.

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                                                                                                          • media
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                                                                                                            • Apr 2002
                                                                                                            • 9853
                                                                                                            #127
                                                                                                            Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                                                                            Like I touched on before.

                                                                                                            What would happen if say those who qualified could get free medical school, or say free nursing, medical specialty, etc. In return when they graduate they put in same amount of time school took working at a hospital for minimal pay (survivable but minimal). Would that not help to get closer to affordable healthcare plus get more people into healthcare.
                                                                                                            Too many variables on this one, cost of living based on state/region/city, cost of gas for going to work, inflation rates etc..

                                                                                                            If they pro-rated evertying based on expense reports and such you would need to file and prove, why the fuck not do this? It could work if it was done right.. 8 years of school, 8 years of working getting by.. That would put you on the same income level as your profits after paying the student loan cost in the first place once they start racking up interest..

                                                                                                            It would be a plausible alternative to loans.. but you would have to calculate inflation and all those other factors per year or per 6 months in some areas.
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                                                                                                              • After Shock Media
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                                                                                                                • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                • 35299
                                                                                                                #128
                                                                                                                Originally posted by media
                                                                                                                It would be a plausible alternative to loans.. but you would have to calculate inflation and all those other factors per year or per 6 months in some areas.
                                                                                                                They sort of already do this with interns and shit. ER's are already full of people just out of medical school.

                                                                                                                It also does not have to be equal time either, just reasonable.

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                                                                                                                  • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                    • 52942
                                                                                                                    #129
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by robfantasy
                                                                                                                    great idea, but unrealistic, just like every other idea from the left.
                                                                                                                    Yes totally stupid idea.

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                                                                                                                      • hypedough
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                                                                                                                        • Sep 2007
                                                                                                                        • 3743
                                                                                                                        #130
                                                                                                                        FYI its mandatory out here in Cali for kids in high school. (at least in Magnet schools, I was class of '03 and it was a requirement)
                                                                                                                        Last edited by hypedough; 11-08-2008, 10:37 PM.

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                                                                                                                          • Big John
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                                                                                                                            • May 2006
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                                                                                                                            #131
                                                                                                                            It's probably been said by now but did any of the idiots 'against' this actually read the details? $10+ an hour for a college student sounds like pretty good pay to me - places they usually end up in pay FAR less. And hey - don't want the $4k... then don't do it.

                                                                                                                            Even the middle school when you look into it, would be more a part of their lessons and probably a lot more valuable as a lesson than some stuff they do now.
                                                                                                                            Last edited by Big John; 11-09-2008, 07:34 AM.

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                                                                                                                              • Adultnet
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                                                                                                                                • Sep 2003
                                                                                                                                • 8713
                                                                                                                                #132
                                                                                                                                this is a good concept but must be well planed and organized to be effective so most impotent is the implementation of the program.


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                                                                                                                                  • Snake Doctor
                                                                                                                                    I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                                    • 13449
                                                                                                                                    #133
                                                                                                                                    Hey guys it's not $10 an hour, it's $40 an hour.

                                                                                                                                    You get a $4000 per year tuition tax credit.

                                                                                                                                    And again, even if there weren't financial incentives...you could make something like this part of the curriculum in public high school and colleges that receive any type of public funding.....and that would cover 90% of all kids in high school and college.

                                                                                                                                    Teaching kids how to be good citizens is one of the missions of our public schools, this is just an extension of that.
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                                                                                                                                      • IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                                                        Ah My Balls
                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2007
                                                                                                                                        • 14311
                                                                                                                                        #134
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by psili
                                                                                                                                        You dig big government? I could have sworn a couple of posts earlier you were advocating that states' should make the decisions?

                                                                                                                                        Or do you have a sig and just dig the conflict for sig impressions (I have sigs turned off, so am curious)?
                                                                                                                                        I hate bush and I hate big government.

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                                                                                                                                          • IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                                                            Ah My Balls
                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2007
                                                                                                                                            • 14311
                                                                                                                                            #135
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Big John
                                                                                                                                            It's probably been said by now but did any of the idiots 'against' this actually read the details? $10+ an hour for a college student sounds like pretty good pay to me - places they usually end up in pay FAR less. And hey - don't want the $4k... then don't do it.

                                                                                                                                            Even the middle school when you look into it, would be more a part of their lessons and probably a lot more valuable as a lesson than some stuff they do now.
                                                                                                                                            How about the kids that dont go to college? And this is not about if its a "good idea" or not. Yes community service is a great idea until its mandated. The government has no right to make anyone work without pay.

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                                                                                                                                              • nation-x
                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                • 5370
                                                                                                                                                #136
                                                                                                                                                I think you idiots need to learn how to read... nice try editing what the thing actually says... FAIL

                                                                                                                                                Here is what it actually says...
                                                                                                                                                Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free.

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                                                                                                                                                  • IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                                                                    Ah My Balls
                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2007
                                                                                                                                                    • 14311
                                                                                                                                                    #137
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by nation-x
                                                                                                                                                    I think you idiots need to learn how to read... nice try editing what the thing actually says... FAIL

                                                                                                                                                    Here is what it actually says...
                                                                                                                                                    Obama changed the wording after this thread was started. It said REQUIRE before.

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                                                                                                                                                      • Sly
                                                                                                                                                        Let's do some business!
                                                                                                                                                        • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                                        • 31378
                                                                                                                                                        #138
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                                                                        Obama changed the wording after this thread was started. It said REQUIRE before.
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                                                                                                                                                          • IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                                                                            Ah My Balls
                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2007
                                                                                                                                                            • 14311
                                                                                                                                                            #139
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                                                                                            Wow, GFY has amazing power!
                                                                                                                                                            Thats not what I meant

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                                                                                                                                                              • baddog
                                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                                • 107089
                                                                                                                                                                #140
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by nation-x
                                                                                                                                                                I think you idiots need to learn how to read... nice try editing what the thing actually says... FAIL

                                                                                                                                                                Here is what it actually says...
                                                                                                                                                                Try reading the thread.

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