Potential Fix for AdWords Keyword Pricing

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  • woj
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    • Jul 2002
    • 47880

    #51
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    • Theo
      HAL 9000
      • May 2001
      • 34515

      #52
      Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
      what's the purpose of cloaking a landing page here? Isn't it possible to deliver the same data to googlebot without having to alter the look of your initial page?

      hello hello

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      • darksoul
        Confirmed User
        • Apr 2002
        • 4997

        #53
        so what do you guarantee ?
        I've already got my bids pretty low, what could I use your cloaking for ?
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        • studiocritic
          Confirmed User
          • Jun 2005
          • 2442

          #54
          Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
          what's the purpose of cloaking a landing page here? Isn't it possible to deliver the same data to googlebot without having to alter the look of your initial page?
          google recently implemented some changes to the adwords program, which is their pay-per-click system (sorry, don't mean to act like you're ignorant.. i'll just explain this in lay terms so everyone can get it. don't want there to be any misunderstandings about what this does/doesn't do)

          basically, when you make a new ad.. a landing page bot comes out and checks the "quality" of your landing page.

          well, they evaluate it by the relevancy to your ad text, keywords, and regular SEO strengths.

          which is very lame.. what if your landing page is just a big image splash? sucks for you, is basically google's response.
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          • darksoul
            Confirmed User
            • Apr 2002
            • 4997

            #55
            Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
            hello hello
            ofcourse it is, but you got all this clueless dudes that
            got their min bids bumped to $10 a click because of shitty landing
            pages and I guess they rather do some cloaking instead of fixing
            their landing pages.
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            • joshll
              Confirmed User
              • Jul 2006
              • 1534

              #56
              refering to gatorB's sig;
              i clicked it!!!
              Just save the seal!!!
              also, intresting thread.
              Bump@ C'est Genial Thread
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              • Theo
                HAL 9000
                • May 2001
                • 34515

                #57
                thanks studiocritic.

                darksoul, got my point. In most cases it's better imho to play safe and just work on your initial landing page. I don't see why you won't achieve equally good results. We both know if google wants to see which advertisers cloak the landing pages they can do it within few minutes by adding an extra IP appearing as browser and compare results.
                Last edited by Theo; 07-17-2006, 03:13 AM.

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                • studiocritic
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jun 2005
                  • 2442

                  #58
                  Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                  thanks studiocritic.

                  darksoul, got my point. In most cases it's better imho to play safe and just work on your initial landing page. I don't see why you won't achieve equally good results. We both know if google wants to see which advertisers cloak the landing pages they can do it within few minutes by adding an extra IP appearing as browser and compare results.
                  soul rebel.. i cant/wont get into the details of how i detect google's bots and their employees, but suffice to say its proprietary and i've built it off a few years of data gathering.

                  i addressed way above in the 1st page why it wouldnt be realistic for them to figure it out even if they knew you were using it.

                  basically, they have no way of knowing what googlebot saw.. noarchive prevents googlebot from storing it, and the landing page bot discards its results anyway, only storing aggregate scoring data. (got this info from adwords team)
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                  • studiocritic
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jun 2005
                    • 2442

                    #59
                    some people have tweaked their landing pages for the highest conversions possible, and that doesnt match what google's landing page bot wants to see.

                    there are threads upon threads of this over at tabke's mainstream forum beginning with a W.

                    like i said before, what if your landing page is heavily reliant on images.. or its flash?
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                    • studiocritic
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jun 2005
                      • 2442

                      #60
                      bump for the interested people, go ahead and icq me now to get started
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                      • rayzor
                        Confirmed User
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 245

                        #61
                        what's so special about your cloaker? it isn't hard show a different page if the googlebot goes to crawl...
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