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11-07-2008, 03:05 PM

Obama plans to pay back all of those young Obama voters with 50-100 hours of required community service per year. I am starting to like this guy.

Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.

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11-07-2008, 03:09 PM

Middle school is going to be an issue, as they aren't massure enough.

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11-07-2008, 03:10 PM

EVERYONE should work towards the greater good.

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11-07-2008, 03:14 PM

That's already pushed in schools today.
Especially if you have any plans for a scholarship.

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11-07-2008, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by cykoe6

Obama plans to pay back all of those young Obama voters with 50-100 hours of required community service per year

because middle school and high school kids are the obama voters

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11-07-2008, 03:17 PM

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Middle school is going to be an issue, as they aren't massure enough.

We did community service at my middle school. Anyone can help pass out food, organize donations, go door to door, etc.

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11-07-2008, 03:17 PM

it's a fantastic idea - he should bump up the minimum hour requirement though.

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11-07-2008, 03:18 PM

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11-07-2008, 03:19 PM

whats wrong with that? I love my country and its great as long as it asks nothing of me. lol

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11-07-2008, 03:27 PM

i don't see anything wrong with this, 100 hours from each person could make a HUGE difference in america - why not?

there should also be a law that will fine parents (at the least) for allowing their kids to become morbidly obese - it is abuse straight up

how many kids are on type 2 diabetes meds these days? its nuts...

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11-07-2008, 03:31 PM

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there should also be a law that will fine parents (at the least) for allowing their kids to become morbidly obese - it is abuse straight up

how many kids are on type 2 diabetes meds these days? its nuts...

agreed 100%. Kids are kids man, they dont know any better then to stuff their face if you let them. Its a parents responsibility to make sure they understand and dont end up with disease and on meds. Its really fucked up.

I say any parent with a fat kid gets punched in the face for every day that kid is fat.

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11-07-2008, 03:33 PM

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11-07-2008, 03:35 PM

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11-07-2008, 03:36 PM

I don't see anything wrong with requiring college kids whom get govt scholarships or people whom go to community college to do some community service as part of their scholarship requirments.

I'd also like to see a alternative to joining the military for college scholarships. Give the kids the option to serve as volunteer fireman, coast guard, police.. peace corps ect,..ect.. I never really understood why the military was the only option in that regard. I also think if they do serve in the Military or one of the other options I mentioned that they should then get a free education at any community or state school.

As for middle school and high school, I think that's pushing it a bit unless they were given a credit in return for the future for their college education. IE if you do 50 or 100 hours community service you get in return 50 to 100 hours of paid tuition at your local community college once you graduate high school.

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11-07-2008, 03:41 PM

The kids in my daughters high school must perform community service or they cannot graduate. It's called their "senior project".

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11-07-2008, 03:41 PM

Whats next, free or reduced rate medical school if the future doctors/medical professionals end up doing low salary service for a few years after they graduate.

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11-07-2008, 03:47 PM

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Whats next, free or reduced rate medical school if the future doctors/medical professionals end up doing low salary service for a few years after they graduate.

if they were held up to a specific standard, would that be something you are against?

- edit, actually that doesn't look like a question now that i re-read it

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11-07-2008, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by PSSuperstars

That's already pushed in schools today.
Especially if you have any plans for a scholarship.

It's been like that for 10-15 years in canada... even in public high schools, the specialised programs (sports, computers etc) requires you to do community service.

My two brothers did it. It's a good, constructive thing if used proprely.

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11-07-2008, 03:52 PM

if the government asked me to do 50 hours a year, and gave me a job to do, no problem
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11-07-2008, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by tical

if they were held up to a specific standard, would that be something you are against?

- edit, actually that doesn't look like a question now that i re-read it

i'm sure you've visited your share of hack docs, its sad how many people just want you in and out and just want to send you to someone else

i had to visit 3 doctors & i even TOLD them what my problem was (secondary hypogonadism) and they were just like no no you're fine, take these anti depressants, viagra, anti anxiety meds & see a shrink..

i had to fly all the way to michigan to get treated by a competent doctor - now all of my problems are gone with 1 med

it sucks how many people "trust" what comes out of doctors mouths, when most docs are only influenced by the pharmaceutical companies & their new, patented products

My dad always says something like... even in medical school, not everyone gets A's. There are slackers and idiots in every profession.

I like my general doctor... but let's face it, aren't general doctors on the low end of the totem poll? The ones with passion and desire go on to specialty fields.

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11-07-2008, 03:55 PM

I do kind of think 100 hours a year for a college student could be rough though... I have a lot of friends in college that went to school full time and also worked full-time jobs just to get by. Throwing in a 100 hour community service requirement would totally wipe them out.

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11-07-2008, 03:56 PM

So is it voluntary or mandatory? That is the question.
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11-07-2008, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by stickyfingerz

So is it voluntary or mandatory? That is the question.

Required voluntary service... LOL... that isn't exactly voluntary.

I don't really like the idea of requiring people to do something. Encouraging, giving incentives... I am more on those lines. Requiring people to do things leads to resent, bad service, etc.

Tell somebody they get $500 off their taxes in exchange for doing 50 hours of community service or tell somebody they must do 50 hours of community service or... go to jail?

Urge, don't force...

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11-07-2008, 04:00 PM

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11-07-2008, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by stickyfingerz

So is it voluntary or mandatory? That is the question.

Not sure but I recall during the campaign he suggested that things like community service would be reciprocated with funds to help pay for college tuition.

If structured properly and realistically, I think this is a positive thing, both for the economy and sense of duty - both of which benefit everybody in the end.
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11-07-2008, 04:02 PM

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I do kind of think 100 hours a year for a college student could be rough though... I have a lot of friends in college that went to school full time and also worked full-time jobs just to get by. Throwing in a 100 hour community service requirement would totally wipe them out.

Couldn't they do it during vacations or during the summer?
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11-07-2008, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by crockett

I'd also like to see a alternative to joining the military for college scholarships. Give the kids the option to serve as volunteer fireman, coast guard, police.. peace corps ect,..ect.. I never really understood why the military was the only option in that regard. I also think if they do serve in the Military or one of the other options I mentioned that they should then get a free education at any community or state school.

Since when is it required to join the military for a scholarship, or ever been required?

Sure, the military has excellant education benefits but its never been a requirement to serve, to get education benefits such as scholarships.
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11-07-2008, 04:03 PM

I like the idea of having people work for their "free money"... but realistically, it just sounds like room for more bureaucratic fuck-ups.

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11-07-2008, 04:05 PM

Of course people will bitch about community service... people bitch about jury duty as well. Our citizens are too lazy and self centered.
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11-07-2008, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by tical

if they were held up to a specific standard, would that be something you are against?

- edit, actually that doesn't look like a question now that i re-read it

i'm sure you've visited your share of hack docs, its sad how many people just want you in and out and just want to send you to someone else

i had to visit 3 doctors & i even TOLD them what my problem was (secondary hypogonadism) and they were just like no no you're fine, take these anti depressants, viagra, anti anxiety meds & see a shrink..

i had to fly all the way to michigan to get treated by a competent doctor - now all of my problems are gone with 1 med

it sucks how many people "trust" what comes out of doctors mouths, when most docs are only influenced by the pharmaceutical companies & their new, patented products

I was being a little bit of a smart ass. It just would be one of many ways to get something done.

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11-07-2008, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by Mr Pheer

Of course people will bitch about community service... people bitch about jury duty as well. Our citizens are too lazy and self centered.

Good point... every week there is a thread right here about somebody trying to get out of jury duty. We all want a fair judicial system but everybody wants out of jury duty, which is what... the mere possibility of serving once every couple years?

Like I said earlier, I just really do not like the idea of requiring anything. Incentivize and you will get better results.

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11-07-2008, 04:07 PM

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Required voluntary service... LOL... that isn't exactly voluntary.

I don't really like the idea of requiring people to do something. Encouraging, giving incentives... I am more on those lines. Requiring people to do things leads to resent, bad service, etc.

Tell somebody they get $500 off their taxes in exchange for doing 50 hours of community service or tell somebody they must do 50 hours of community service or... go to jail?

Urge, don't force...

Agreed. If it's going to be mandatory it should somehow be made part of the curriculum because if this is required atop regular schooling, it could prove to be too burdensome for many students.

Many highschool and college students already work jobs to try to get through school. I did, and it would be very hard to do more than that. Your school work begins to suffer when too much is on your plate.
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11-07-2008, 04:11 PM

forcing people to work regardless of how the economy is or isnt is slavery in my book

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11-07-2008, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by Mr Pheer

Since when is it required to join the military for a scholarship, or ever been required?

Sure, the military has excellant education benefits but its never been a requirement to serve, to get education benefits such as scholarships.

I'm talking about that as the option.. not meaning it's a requirement. why not open up that same kind of scholarship program for them to serve in other areas besides just the military.

I mean why not let them serve as volunteer firemen, citizen police ect..ect.. to get the same benefit for their college education. They would then be serving their local communities or states vs having only the military as a option for that kind of scolarship program.

For many kids in this country, the military really is the only option so why not give them a few others?

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11-07-2008, 04:11 PM

I like that he's being consistent thus far with his campaign and post-campaign message. It's my hope that he will be practical in approaching this and there is reason to be optimistic. He's been there, as has Joe Biden. These were both regular guys growing up and they must understand the struggles of ordinary students.
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11-07-2008, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by crockett

I'm talking about that as the option.. not meaning it's a requirement. why not open up that same kind of scholarship program for them to serve in other areas besides just the military.

I mean why not let them serve as volunteer firemen, citizen police ect..ect.. to get the same benefit for their college education. They would then be serving their local communities or states vs having only the military as a option for that kind of scolarship program.

For many kids in this country, the military really is the only option so why not give them a few others?

I hear what you are saying... though on another note, I am interested in how many people actually join the military simply for scholarships and whatnot. Seems like a pretty shitty deal if you ask me... state schools are dirt cheap. If you really want to go to college and have no interest in the military, work real hard for a year or two saving up money and then go... or do what so many others do, work full time while in school.

My bet is more people join the military because they are "lost" then do because they want college money...

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11-07-2008, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by crockett

As for middle school and high school, I think that's pushing it a bit unless they were given a credit in return for the future for their college education. IE if you do 50 or 100 hours community service you get in return 50 to 100 hours of paid tuition at your local community college once you graduate high school.

Sounds like you are missing the point of this. The concept is not a forced job with a guaranteed reward. It's actually to use no-cost labor to improve communities.

Everyone has their hand out nowadays. I know a woman who offered any kid on her street $20 an hour to help her landscape one weekend. Nobody wanted to do it.
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11-07-2008, 04:20 PM

i think that all males should have to go to the military for 2 years after high school.

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11-07-2008, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by Matt 26z

Sounds like you are missing the point of this. The concept is not a forced job with a guaranteed reward. It's actually to use no-cost labor to improve communities.

Everyone has their hand out nowadays. I know a woman who offered any kid on her street $20 an hour to help her landscape one weekend. Nobody wanted to do it.

Finding kids that want to work anymore is impossible... most of them get whatever money they want from their parents. It's a terrible lesson if you ask me...

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11-07-2008, 04:27 PM

It is slavery period. No ifs ands or buts. It is the idea that the government OWNS you and/or your child.

At first its 50 hours a year, then 55, then 75, then 100, then...

Adults already work half the year for the government now they want more
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11-07-2008, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by EscortBiz

forcing people to work regardless of how the economy is or isnt is slavery in my book

Asking people to help is a different story

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11-07-2008, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Matt 26z

Sounds like you are missing the point of this. The concept is not a forced job with a guaranteed reward. It's actually to use no-cost labor to improve communities.

Everyone has their hand out nowadays. I know a woman who offered any kid on her street $20 an hour to help her landscape one weekend. Nobody wanted to do it.

No I'm not missing it, I understand what he's saying. I'm just saying I'd only support something like that if the kids got something back out of it. I don't agree with forcing them to do it, unless it's part of the curriculm and they get some sort of credit for it.

I was just posting my opinion of what I thought a acceptable alternative should be.

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11-07-2008, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by crockett

No I'm not missing it, I understand what he's saying. I'm just saying I'd only support something like that if the kids got something back out of it. I don't agree with forcing them to do it, unless it's part of the curriculm and they get some sort of credit for it.

I was just posting my opinion of what I thought a acceptable alternative should be.

I dont think they should forced to do it at all. They/the parents should have the CHOICE to do it and if you do do it you get credits for it.
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11-07-2008, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls

It is slavery period. No ifs ands or buts. It is the idea that the government OWNS you and/or your child.

At first its 50 hours a year, then 55, then 75, then 100, then...

Adults already work half the year for the government now they want more

Unfortunately most people here believe the government does own you. That is why they just eagerly elected a socialist demagogue. That is why there will be mandatory national service and wealth redistribution. People no longer believe in individual rights. To these modern day national socialists the supposed good of the overall society outweighs individual freedom. We have Harvard and Yale educated elites who will tell us what is in the best interests of society and then we will all pitch in to make it happen. We are entering a brave new world.

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11-07-2008, 04:58 PM

yay! just like the USSR. Gooooo Obama!

once we can get compulsory community service, we can then move on to teaching kids how to assemble and disassemble assault rifles and teach them songs about killing capitalist pigs.
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11-07-2008, 05:01 PM

I read this was in Rahm Emanuel's book. Is Rahm Emanuel, the Shadow President?!!

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11-07-2008, 05:02 PM

ITS NOT MANDATORY

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11-07-2008, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by chadknowslaw

ITS NOT MANDATORY

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11-07-2008, 05:12 PM

Where does it say any of that is mandatory? The guy is looking to expand community service in this country. He gives some incentives to do so.

I personally believe every high school and college in this country should require a form of it to graduate. My university required it and it was a good experience. It's time everyone started pitching in a bit and making this place better.
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11-07-2008, 05:12 PM

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They have now changed the language on the site. What it said originally was "required."

Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.

Now it has been changed to:

Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free.

I guess they are responding to the criticism which is nice. Obviously if the plan is only voluntary then it just represents another wasteful big government boondoggle as opposed to a fundamental violation of individual rights. I guess that is progress.

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