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  • slapass
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Nov 2002
    • 14625
    #1

    Big TGP's have quit growing?

    Looks like they are all flat lining? Maybe the big guys have just gotten complacent or is that model matured?

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    • CamsLord
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      • Jun 2006
      • 3663
      #2
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        • Chris
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • May 2003
          • 27880
          #3
          try that again ;)
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            • slapass
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Nov 2002
              • 14625
              #4
              shit .. now?

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              Last edited by slapass; 07-15-2006, 10:06 AM.

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                • slapass
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Nov 2002
                  • 14625
                  #5
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                    • Matt-RevShare
                      Confirmed User
                      • May 2006
                      • 298
                      #6
                      Yep, the links work. I have kept an eye on this trend for a while and its a downward trend that seems to have been going on for a while.

                      The real question is: why?

                      My theory is that the major TGP's are losing traffic to niche TGP's and the market space is continuing to grow with new TGP's every day that is doing a better job developing SE traffic.

                      Other thoughts or ideas?

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                        • slapass
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Nov 2002
                          • 14625
                          #7
                          Some of the big tgp's do great on the SE's. I think it has more to do with message boards that share stuff. You can get whole members areas.

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                            • VicD
                              ICQ: 304-611-162
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 13245
                              #8
                              there's too much free porn out there!

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                                • RawAlex
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Oct 2003
                                  • 9465
                                  #9
                                  Using Alexa to judge your traffic is like using the weather to judge the flavor of your coffee. There is very little relation.

                                  You can check out Matt Cutt's blog for more info on sampling problems.

                                  Short version is this: In order for Alexa to count traffic, the use has to have the Alexa toolbar installed. Most spyware and anti-virus programs detect that toolbar as a virus, so the active install rate isn't all that high. Basically, you are sampling more people who don't have a clue, don't run anit-virus, and don't care what is going on with their computers.

                                  Most porn surfers have been so abused by scamware, viruses, and other shit that less than honest people in our business try to jam at them that experienced surfers will have all the tools to check thier shit out. So what you get is less apparent traffic counted as per Alexa.

                                  The hottest site is MySpace. Why? It is popular, that is for sure, but it is popular with less technical people and less experience web people, and they are more likely to NOT check for viruses and spyware. So Alexa gets and keeps more installs in that sort of a group.

                                  Quite simply, Alexa doesn't report what the hardcore porn surfer does, because they aren't registering anymore, and they aren't using the Alexa toolbar.

                                  Want to see how bad it is? Find a site you own that is in the range of about 100,000 ranking on Alexa. install their toolbar onto your PC (and maybe your laptop) and surf around your own site very day for a couple of weeks with the toolbar on. You will see a huge jump in your numbers, because the same rate is so freaking small, that you (and your laptop) are enough to sway the numbers.

                                  Good luck!

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                                    • slapass
                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                      • Nov 2002
                                      • 14625
                                      #10
                                      I am not sure their toolbar was ever big. I use alexa all the time for comparison and usually it is pretty good.

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                                        • RawAlex
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Oct 2003
                                          • 9465
                                          #11
                                          slapass, I know from looking at some of my own sites that sites with similar traffic will often show vastly different alexa results. 2 extra Alexa surfers can move you from 200,000 ranking to 100,000 ranking pretty quickly.

                                          Such a small sampling make their error rate (especially outside of the top 10,000 or so websites) almost mind numbingly large, probably close to 50% error rate.

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                                            • slapass
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • Nov 2002
                                              • 14625
                                              #12
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                                                • Brad Mitchell
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                                                  • Nov 2001
                                                  • 9813
                                                  #13
                                                  I think what Alex is saying rings true, also. I would say, though, that a new trend that will continue to take away traffic is the file sharing networks, etc where users are discovering fuller video clips for free.

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                                                    • V_RocKs
                                                      Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                      • 32451
                                                      #14
                                                      So many more people now are doing SEO better... A lot of these same sites lost a LOT of placement in SE's to the little guys...

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                                                        • Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                          • Dec 2005
                                                          • 9395
                                                          #15
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                                                            • teomaxxx
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                                                              • May 2003
                                                              • 2737
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by slapass
                                                              Some of the big tgp's do great on the SE's. I think it has more to do with message boards that share stuff. You can get whole members areas.

                                                              exactly, why should i go to watch some sample pics or movies to some tgps, if i can get whole member areas on message boards?
                                                              there are better ways to get free porn then to visit some tgp/mgp for nowadays surfers.

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                                                                • Barefootsies
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                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                  • 42635
                                                                  #17
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                                                                    • pussyluver
                                                                      Clueless OleMan
                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                      • 11009
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Whatever message boards or TGP/MPG, Alexa does not do an accurate job of reporting actual traffic. All have to do is look at my own sites.

                                                                      Still I suspect there is fall off on the old school TGPs. Even with the fall off a bit in traffic, they are still reeling in the surfers. I don't think you could call them down and out. I wouldn't give up on the text model either.

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                                                                        • SomeCreep
                                                                          :glugglug
                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                          • 26118
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Although there are still plenty of TGPs which are growing and thriving, in general, I have noticed TGPs taking a downward spiral. There are some big TGPs pulling in far less traffic than they used too. This downward spiral is due to many factors, all of which I will not explain here. One factor though, is excessive use of free hosted galleries and TGPs only accepting paid partner submits. Webmasters who submit galleries know the huge impact that paid partner accounts had on the TGP industry. Paid partner accounts changed the entire infrastructure and relationship between TGP and submitter. It makes sense to conclude there would also be some kind of impact/effect on the actual TGPs and surfers.

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                                                                            • CaptainWolfy
                                                                              Playa
                                                                              • Dec 2005
                                                                              • 8439
                                                                              #20
                                                                              free porn is killing everything...

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                                                                                • Matt-RevShare
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • May 2006
                                                                                  • 298
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by SomeCreep
                                                                                  Although there are still plenty of TGPs which are growing and thriving, in general, I have noticed TGPs taking a downward spiral. There are some big TGPs pulling in far less traffic than they used too. This downward spiral is due to many factors, all of which I will not explain here. One factor though, is excessive use of free hosted galleries and TGPs only accepting paid partner submits. Webmasters who submit galleries know the huge impact that paid partner accounts had on the TGP industry. Paid partner accounts changed the entire infrastructure and relationship between TGP and submitter. It makes sense to conclude there would also be some kind of impact/effect on the actual TGPs and surfers.

                                                                                  I think you are right in that the quality of posts on the TGP's has declined because partner accounts.

                                                                                  Likewise, I am sure that surfers get pretty tired of seeing the same FHG's all over the place.

                                                                                  While Alexa may not be accurate because of sampling problems, which are well known, I think it is a good tool to show general trends as long as you consider the limitations of the data creating those trends. IMHO anway, of course I could be wrong, but we'll likely never know.

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                                                                                    • DamageX
                                                                                      Marketing & Strategy
                                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                                      • 14293
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by empty1987
                                                                                      free porn is killing everything...
                                                                                      Nope. Dumb people giving it away do that.
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                                                                                        • Dennis69
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                                                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                                                          • 1685
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by slapass
                                                                                          Some of the big tgp's do great on the SE's. I think it has more to do with message boards that share stuff. You can get whole members areas.

                                                                                          I think you hit the nail on the head... message boards are getting bigger now that surfers can upload to image revenue and rapidshare etc

                                                                                          Why go to a tgp and browse through galleries with a bunch of ads when you can see it all without blind links and be interactive with other people on message boards
                                                                                          HaHaHa

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                                                                                            • Kimo
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                                                                                              • Jan 2006
                                                                                              • 11542
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              interesting, maybe the market place is getting crowded?
                                                                                              ...

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                                                                                                • Dirty Dane
                                                                                                  Sick Fuck
                                                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                                                  • 9491
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Its hard to grow when u reached the top. But u can always build a new site

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                                                                                                    • DamageX
                                                                                                      Marketing & Strategy
                                                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                                                      • 14293
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Kimo
                                                                                                      interesting, maybe the market place is getting crowded?
                                                                                                      Noooo, you think?!?
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                                                                                                        • Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                                                          • 16502
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          i agree on the alexa deal, i got Search Status installed as an extension on my firefox, and it reports back to alexa, just like the toolbar does... and just me browsing my site while working on it, has given it a decent rank for only 1 visitor a day, lol

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                                                                                                            • jayeff
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                                                              • 2944
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by DamageX
                                                                                                              Nope. Dumb people giving it away do that.
                                                                                                              Maybe the biggest problem is "smart" people giving it away in a dumb way...

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                                                                                                                • Redbird
                                                                                                                  Registered User
                                                                                                                  • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                  • 95
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  I love alexaholic
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                                                                                                                    • $5 submissions
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                                                                                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                      • 32189
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Anyone think the rise of blogs and other content delivery models have something to do with this?

                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Matt-RevShare
                                                                                                                      Yep, the links work. I have kept an eye on this trend for a while and its a downward trend that seems to have been going on for a while.

                                                                                                                      The real question is: why?

                                                                                                                      My theory is that the major TGP's are losing traffic to niche TGP's and the market space is continuing to grow with new TGP's every day that is doing a better job developing SE traffic.

                                                                                                                      Other thoughts or ideas?

                                                                                                                      Matt

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                                                                                                                        • DamageX
                                                                                                                          Marketing & Strategy
                                                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                          • 14293
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by $5 submissions
                                                                                                                          Anyone think the rise of blogs and other content delivery models have something to do with this?
                                                                                                                          A lot. Now every newbie who's ever failed at getting a TGP off the ground is running to start a blog instead.
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                                                                                                                            • pussyluver
                                                                                                                              Clueless OleMan
                                                                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                              • 11009
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              FHGs is one thing. Getting all the content ripped on a site is another. Hope that program owners will start to kick ass on the theft issue.

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                                                                                                                                • $5 submissions
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                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                  • 32189
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by DamageX
                                                                                                                                  A lot. Now every newbie who's ever failed at getting a TGP off the ground is running to start a blog instead.
                                                                                                                                  What is the net effect of that migration? Would it lead to the same issues that faced TGP or does it reveal a whole new set of issues?

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                                                                                                                                    • jrap
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                      • 448
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      google trends

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                                                                                                                                        • Brujah
                                                                                                                                          Beer Money Baron
                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                          • 22157
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          What about the rise in Torrents?

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                                                                                                                                            • DamageX
                                                                                                                                              Marketing & Strategy
                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 14293
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by $5 submissions
                                                                                                                                              What is the net effect of that migration? Would it lead to the same issues that faced TGP or does it reveal a whole new set of issues?
                                                                                                                                              That question should be taken out and shot.

                                                                                                                                              On a more serious note though, it's kind of impossible to answer it, as no one is well enough in the know in order to create a big enough, statistically accurate, sample to analyze. As for the question about the issues that faced TGP, there's a shitload of them, got any particular ones in mind?
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                                                                                                                                                • $5 submissions
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                                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                  • 32189
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by DamageX
                                                                                                                                                  As for the question about the issues that faced TGP, there's a shitload of them, got any particular ones in mind?
                                                                                                                                                  Basically the same tired stuff that many people say about TGPs--the transition to pay to play, the low conversions (this one actually has answers but the fact that it keeps getting asked does raise the issue), saturation, so on and so forth.

                                                                                                                                                  Do you see this playing out already in blogs or is there a wide range of blogs which handle/filter traffic differently?

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                                                                                                                                                    • DamageX
                                                                                                                                                      Marketing & Strategy
                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                      • 14293
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by $5 submissions
                                                                                                                                                      Basically the same tired stuff that many people say about TGPs--the transition to pay to play, the low conversions (this one actually has answers but the fact that it keeps getting asked does raise the issue), saturation, so on and so forth.

                                                                                                                                                      Do you see this playing out already in blogs or is there a wide range of blogs which handle/filter traffic differently?
                                                                                                                                                      There are several types of adult blogs. Some of them are mainly a different layout of a TGP, focusing primarily on image content and linking out to various galleries. Some focus more on written content and kick in a few image/vid samples. And, of course, there are those inbetween.

                                                                                                                                                      Low conversions? Can't say this would be a blog thing, if it's an issue, but rather lacks of salesmanship skills with the webmaster. There surely is a saturation momentum, especially with babelogs, in terms of babes/glamour/softcore sponsors. I expect this to change and more and more "babelogs" catering to other niches to spring up.

                                                                                                                                                      However, as I can see, most abovementioned models, be they babelogs or full-text blogs, are being treated kindly by search engines, at least sporadically. I suppose the daily influx of fresh content, not only in terms of links out to other sites/galleries, but also in terms of new pages added to the site itself (posts) does add to the pile of spider food.
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                                                                                                                                                        • free4porn
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                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2005
                                                                                                                                                          • 4654
                                                                                                                                                          #39
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                                                                                                                                                            • V_RocKs
                                                                                                                                                              Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                              • 32451
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by $5 submissions
                                                                                                                                                              Basically the same tired stuff that many people say about TGPs--the transition to pay to play, the low conversions (this one actually has answers but the fact that it keeps getting asked does raise the issue), saturation, so on and so forth.

                                                                                                                                                              Do you see this playing out already in blogs or is there a wide range of blogs which handle/filter traffic differently?

                                                                                                                                                              Wow... my blogs make TGP conversions look like childs play...

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                                                                                                                                                                • jpv
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                  • 301
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Does anyone have a list of the large message boards where users are posting free stuff? We should have a list posted here and keep it updated with message boards to watch. This way it is easier for all of us to track when our content is being used and to take legal action.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • mrthumbs
                                                                                                                                                                      salad tossing sig guy
                                                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                                                      • 11702
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      weve reached what we call in marketing maturity stage for a while now.. declining stage will follow soon

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                                                                                                                                                                        • pussyluver
                                                                                                                                                                          Clueless OleMan
                                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                          • 11009
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by mrthumbs
                                                                                                                                                                          weve reached what we call in marketing maturity stage for a while now.. declining stage will follow soon
                                                                                                                                                                          Assume you are referring to TGPs. What's next for the "S" curve then? Blogs? Boards? ?

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                                                                                                                                                                            • ffmihai
                                                                                                                                                                              keep walking...
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                                                                              • 7177
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              traffic in porn will grow again !

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                                                                                                                                                                                • rotterdammer
                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 1523
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Maybe the owners of big TGP's have created more TGP's and spread their traffic???

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • slapass
                                                                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 14625
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by mrthumbs
                                                                                                                                                                                      weve reached what we call in marketing maturity stage for a while now.. declining stage will follow soon
                                                                                                                                                                                      word

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • jayeff
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 2944
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by slapass
                                                                                                                                                                                          word


                                                                                                                                                                                          Several words in fact... but none of them very relevant... the "a" made me pause for thought briefly, but that was about it...

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Agent 488
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2006
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by pussyluver
                                                                                                                                                                                              Assume you are referring to TGPs. What's next for the "S" curve then? Blogs? Boards? ?
                                                                                                                                                                                              all the new methods of porn delivery that everyone here shits upon 24-7 because they are trying to protect their turf and/or can't figure out how to monetize .........

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • slapass
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 14625
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by jayeff
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Several words in fact... but none of them very relevant... the "a" made me pause for thought briefly, but that was about it...
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I too think this is a maturing market. Lots of porn delivery systems have come and gone. Not saying we are going away but we have likely peaked.

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