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07-14-2006, 12:55 AM

Regardless of whether we want to admit it or not we are in fact on the verge of WW3. And the great savior of mankind or world police or the strongest mafia organization in the world whichever you want to call it lacks LEADERSHIP to diffuse the situation.

Throughout history our country has been able to diffuse situations and manipulate conflicts throughout the world based on the fact we have always had a strong LEADER with a smart and cunning administration behind it

Not today??not since bush took over the white house?. And all bets were off once he lost Colin Powell

At this point I think the only person in the world who can save us all and stop all of this shit is a truly respected leader and the only person who has the ability, trust and respect of the world to do this is Colin Powell

So what do you think? You think the US should offer him a huge sum of cash to take over as temporary president (figuratively speaking ) and diffuse the situation in the mid east?? Or should we pretend that bush and his gang are not really out of their league and have bitten off more then they can chew??

Cowboy / Redneck style politics has bought us to this point and now the car needs to be put in reverse before the rest of it goes over the edge.

We have failed the world by allowing this man to run our country and its pretty obvious that isreal and other countries involved in current conflicts have no respect for the man

Isreal would not be bombing Lebanon right now if we had a strong leader. But they cannot count on us for solutions right now so what can they do

Exactly what they are doing?..they really don?t have a choice
And the rabs don?t have a choice either; they have always counted on strong American leadership as well

So what do you think?? Who do you think can get all this crap under control??

I say Colin
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07-14-2006, 01:07 AM

i agree, powell is the man!

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07-14-2006, 05:21 AM

well hopefully he or someone eqaul steps up soon its gettin messy out there
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07-14-2006, 05:29 AM

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07-14-2006, 05:30 AM

Why Colin Powell? If I remember correctly he was the one convincing the UN that Iraq has WMD. We all know now that was a lie to get us into Iraq.

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07-14-2006, 05:31 AM

That would be cool... Colin Powell taking the reins...

Who knows though he's a slut - worked with every administration since Jimmy Carter without raising an eyebrow... hm.

The problem with politics in my opinion is that they're all sluts.

In Canada for example the entire liberal cabinet is made up of ex-PC people...

To explain, the liberals here are like the democrats in the US and the PC or progressive conservatives are like the republicans.

Our populace had the unfortunate inclination to vote PC in the last election, so our actual Prime Minister Stephen Harper would "crawl through a mile of shit to suck the cock" of Ronald Reagan... I mean, George Bush Jr.

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07-14-2006, 05:37 AM

understand your point as far as politics go

but really we are in desprate need of a real strong leader right now

I just dont see anyone else capable of stepping up to a task of this magnitude and being able to get something done

BTW I think our inteligence people told us there were WMD over there not Colin
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07-14-2006, 05:47 AM

Imagining that the actions of muslims around the world are caused by Bush and that they would be flower children otherwise is silly.
We're headed towards a war with islam. it will not be a world war because muslims have no allies. They *might* lure china but otherwise, thats it and china is not going to go to war with Russia, US, and EU to help muslims.

This will be another police action of cleaning up iran, then when pakistan becomes unstable, cleaning them up. This might take 20 years to finish but there will be no peace in the world until muslims are crushed.

Calling our leadership the problem when the 4,000lb elephant is in the room blowing civilians up is kinda silly.

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07-14-2006, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by pussyserver

Throughout history our country has been able to diffuse situations and manipulate conflicts throughout the world based on the fact we have always had a strong LEADER with a smart and cunning administration behind it

I don't see that as true. More than 150 million people died in the conflicts and atrocities of the past century. For the most part, the US sat on the sidelines of most events- such as when Soviet tanks rolled into eastern europe and stayed there until the end of the Cold War.

The US does what is perceived as its best interest at the time.

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07-14-2006, 06:01 AM

Originally posted by pussyserver

BTW I think our inteligence people told us there were WMD over there not Colin

uh, why does this work for a guy you like but not for a guy you don't?

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07-14-2006, 06:07 AM

I want Wesley Clark to go for it. I think he has the balls to make some changes. lmao.. yeah right, fuck him, I want Zidane for the job. Fuck the rules, get Zidane in NOW!
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07-14-2006, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks

Imagining that the actions of muslims around the world are caused by Bush and that they would be flower children otherwise is silly.
We're headed towards a war with islam. it will not be a world war because muslims have no allies. They *might* lure china but otherwise, thats it and china is not going to go to war with Russia, US, and EU to help muslims.

This will be another police action of cleaning up iran, then when pakistan becomes unstable, cleaning them up. This might take 20 years to finish but there will be no peace in the world until muslims are crushed.

Calling our leadership the problem when the 4,000lb elephant is in the room blowing civilians up is kinda silly.

1 never said actions were caused by bush
2 we are not head toward a war with islam
3 the muslim states have plenty of allies ( including russia and china )
4 China can and will do whatever is in the best intrest of china

and on your other post I never blaimed the bush for the false data he was given the whole cabinet got duped by cowboy generals totin 50 gallon hats and ready to shoot up the saloon
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07-14-2006, 06:21 AM

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we are not head toward a war with islam

New York, Washington, London, Haifa, Bali and Mumbai are burning.

Afghanistan and Iraq are occupied. Lebanon might be in the coming days.

It's already war.

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07-14-2006, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by pussyserver

1 never said actions were caused by bush

yes you did:
"""Cowboy / Redneck style politics has bought us to this point and now the car needs to be put in reverse before the rest of it goes over the edge."""

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2 we are not head toward a war with islam

then we have nothing to worry about and we don't have to buy us a Colin, do we?

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3 the muslim states have plenty of allies ( including russia and china )

really? what religious group is Russia busy killing right now?
anyone? anyone? beuler?
please name a muslim country and its non muslim ally.

Originally posted by pussyserver

4 China can and will do whatever is in the best intrest of china

right, and when push comes to shove, it will be in their best interests to keep muslims at arms length.

Originally posted by pussyserver

and on your other post I never blaimed the bush for the false data he was given the whole cabinet got duped by cowboy generals totin 50 gallon hats and ready to shoot up the saloon

you mean he was duped by Colin's buddies? and Colin was duped too?
yet you think Colin is the hero?
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07-14-2006, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by ADL Colin

New York, Washington, London, Haifa, Bali and Mumbai are burning.

Afghanistan and Iraq are occupied. Lebanon might be in the coming days.

If it ain't war, what is it?

we are at war with extremist terrorist and idealist

not with the religion of islam
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07-14-2006, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by pussyserver

we are at war with extremist terrorist and idealist

not with the religion of islam

really?
so then if we go to war with Iran, we can expect the muslims to ally with us?

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07-14-2006, 06:30 AM

russia may in fact be killing memers of the islamic faith right now but the bottom line is

russia and china make a great deal of money selling arms to Iran and others arab countries............MONEY

The oil is in the mideast..................Money

what motivation does russia have to side with the US?? what can they gain

now on the other hand

what will they gain on the other side??? have you noticed the change in attitude toward US leadership from the russians over the past couple of months

The recent changes in russian government and politics moving away from democracy??

its no secret that the russians dont like america and still have a bone to pick for losing the cold war
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07-14-2006, 06:32 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks

really?
so then if we go to war with Iran, we can expect the muslims to ally with us?

is that a serious question??

you tell the many american soilders who are of the islamic faith that our war is against a religion
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07-14-2006, 06:36 AM

12clicks your position on this is clear

however war against any group of people based on faith is idiotic

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07-14-2006, 06:45 AM

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however war against any group of people based on faith is idiotic

Doesn't matter if it is idiotic or not. Islam is at war with us.

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07-14-2006, 06:46 AM

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Doesn't matter if it is idiotic or not. Islam is at war with us.

islam is not at war with us

terrorist are at war with us
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07-14-2006, 06:50 AM

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islam is not at war with us

terrorist are at war with us

sadly, there is no difference between islam and terrorism.

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07-14-2006, 06:52 AM

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sadly, there is no difference between islam and terrorism.

If this is the case, what's the solution?

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07-14-2006, 06:58 AM

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sadly, there is no difference between islam and terrorism.

there is a difference I think the terrorist have hijacked the name islam as far as news media goes but people should know that you can have extremist in any group demographic that dont really represent the thoughts and or ideals of the group as a whole

islam is a victim of some of its members at this point

I just hope all this crap gets settled soon before gas hit 5 bucks a gallon and kill our economy
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07-14-2006, 07:04 AM

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islam is not at war with us

terrorist are at war with us

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07-14-2006, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by pussyserver

there is a difference I think the terrorist have hijacked the name islam as far as news media goes but people should know that you can have extremist in any group demographic that dont really represent the thoughts and or ideals of the group as a whole

islam is a victim of some of its members at this point

I just think that argument has bbeen proven wrong at this point.
Not when you have terrorist bombings in so many different countries and opinion polls explaining how muslims really feel about the terrorism.
you start asking about if its right and they say, "oh no, its wrong............well, except when its against jews or the people have no other choice, or its for the protection of isdlam, or, or, or.

Then you have whole countries ruled by radicals. I think we're seeing islam for exactly what it is.

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07-14-2006, 05:02 PM

you what im wondering though, if we were to put together a team of muslim clergy mixed with jewish clergy to go over and difuse this situation would they accept it

would it work

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07-14-2006, 06:41 PM

nope. no muslim clerics have any power whatsoever except the radical ones.
very telling.

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07-14-2006, 08:14 PM

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07-14-2006, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by 12clicks

sadly, there is no difference between islam and terrorism.

Thats a racist, fucked up thing to say.

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07-15-2006, 05:42 PM

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Thats a racist, fucked up thing to say.

Police of the world my ass

no, sadly its the truth.
with milions upon millions of muslims agreeing that terrorism is acceptable, it has to make you wonder how many more millions are smart enough to not say what they think.
you should be embarrassed by your uneducated opinion of what goes on in the world.

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07-15-2006, 06:11 PM

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Thats a racist, fucked up thing to say.

Police of the world my ass

so desperartley misled.

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07-15-2006, 06:11 PM

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07-15-2006, 06:12 PM

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07-15-2006, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by scottybuzz

so desperartley misled.

I await anything except tinfoil transmissions to back that up

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07-15-2006, 06:18 PM

http://people-press.org/reports/dis...p3?ReportID=206
"""Osama bin Laden, however, is viewed favorably by large percentages in Pakistan (65%), Jordan (55%) and Morocco (45%). Even in Turkey, where bin Laden is highly unpopular, as many as 31% say that suicide attacks against Americans and other Westerners in Iraq are justifiable""""

population of Morocco: 32,725,847
population of Pakistan: 162,419,94
population of Jordan: 5,759,732
population of Turkey: 69,660,559
shall we pretend that in all other muslim countries, the numbers are different?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/tx/july7_survey.shtml
"""Some 13% of British Muslims see the July 7 bombers as martyrs according to an ITV survey. What do you think?
While they thought the attacks, which killed 56 people, were wrong 16% felt the bombers' cause was just."""

thats about 234,000 people in the UK thinking terrorist bombings are justified.

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07-15-2006, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by 12clicks

http://people-press.org/reports/dis...p3?ReportID=206
"""Osama bin Laden, however, is viewed favorably by large percentages in Pakistan (65%), Jordan (55%) and Morocco (45%). Even in Turkey, where bin Laden is highly unpopular, as many as 31% say that suicide attacks against Americans and other Westerners in Iraq are justifiable""""

population of Morocco: 32,725,847
population of Pakistan: 162,419,94
population of Jordan: 5,759,732
population of Turkey: 69,660,559
shall we pretend that in all other muslim countries, the numbers are different?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/tx/july7_survey.shtml
"""Some 13% of British Muslims see the July 7 bombers as martyrs according to an ITV survey. What do you think?
While they thought the attacks, which killed 56 people, were wrong 16% felt the bombers' cause was just."""

thats about 234,000 people in the UK thinking terrorist bombings are justified.

that was completely unbelievabel ok now I have to research how theese polls were conducted

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07-15-2006, 06:25 PM

let's just pray there is no WWIII, that would be just worse than awful!!!

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07-15-2006, 06:27 PM

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that was completely unbelievabel ok now I have to research how theese polls were conducted

bbl

dude, research leads to enlightenment.
let me tell you what you'll find, you'll find more recent polls with a "sharp decline in the love of terrorism"
still, you're left with millions upon millions thinking terrorism is right. this is not a radical fringe.

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07-15-2006, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by 12clicks

Imagining that the actions of muslims around the world are caused by Bush and that they would be flower children otherwise is silly.
We're headed towards a war with islam. it will not be a world war because muslims have no allies. They *might* lure china but otherwise, thats it and china is not going to go to war with Russia, US, and EU to help muslims.

This will be another police action of cleaning up iran, then when pakistan becomes unstable, cleaning them up. This might take 20 years to finish but there will be no peace in the world until muslims are crushed.

Calling our leadership the problem when the 4,000lb elephant is in the room blowing civilians up is kinda silly.

Shhh let the children be able to stew in their hate of Bush and claim all world problems started since he got in office. SHHHHHH!
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07-15-2006, 06:36 PM

12clicks,

I must say I'm impressed with the speed of reply and knowledge you are showing in this matter, very interesting points.

Oh and pussyserver great thread.

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07-15-2006, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by milan

12clicks,

I must say I'm impressed with the speed of reply and knowledge you are showing in this matter, very interesting points.

Oh and pussyserver great thread.

keep it up!

hey, I'm not rooting for millions of people wanting me dead.
Its just what I see.
I also don't think less of pussyserver for drawing a different conclusion.
I think in all cases, you need to put aside the retoric and look at the facts.

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07-16-2006, 05:51 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks

Imagining that the actions of muslims around the world are caused by Bush and that they would be flower children otherwise is silly.
We're headed towards a war with islam. it will not be a world war because muslims have no allies. They *might* lure china but otherwise, thats it and china is not going to go to war with Russia, US, and EU to help muslims.

This will be another police action of cleaning up iran, then when pakistan becomes unstable, cleaning them up. This might take 20 years to finish but there will be no peace in the world until muslims are crushed.

Calling our leadership the problem when the 4,000lb elephant is in the room blowing civilians up is kinda silly.

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