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  • Chris Corn
    Confirmed User
    • Jul 2006
    • 237
    #1

    Content producers how do you prevent the waffle?

    Fucking girls man. I set things up and it takes a few weeks to hammer out the bugs. The chick is there on the same page then she fucks off! Never to be heard from again. I politely ask whats going on. I try calling them, nothing. I e-mail nothing. Gone... poof! Never to be seen again. How do you prevent this from happening? There must be a key phrase to tell these girls in order to get them to the shoot. For fucks, sake, it's driving me mental. I offer cash at the end of the shoot, we pick a day and location and still same thing. No show, gone.

    Do you have to trick them or be totally honest with them. I never lie, maybe I should. Do I need a website to display the work or will that scare them away? Do I want to scare them away beforehand and spell it all out for them? How can I tell which girls are actually going to show and which are going to fuck you.
    I shoot video.

    Corn.Christopher (at) gmail.com
    ICQ 212-072-421
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    • After Shock Media
      It's coming look busy
      • Mar 2001
      • 35299
      #2
      Most models flake. Fact of shooting.

      Book as close to the shoot as possible, pick their asses up if you can, stay friendly with agents if you use them, and try to avoid those with boyfriends or suitcase pimps. Oh yeah strippers really suck.

      [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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        • fitzmulti
          I Like Depth Of Field!
          • Jan 2003
          • 14861
          #3
          Originally posted by After Shock Media
          Most models flake.
          Corn, Frosted, whatever...the ALL flake unless you get a miracle!




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            • Chris Corn
              Confirmed User
              • Jul 2006
              • 237
              #4
              I was thinking going to them is the trick I haven't learned yet. Trying to get them to come to us because we have locations. Everytime I ask no one has a place to shoot so we try to get them here.
              I shoot video.

              Corn.Christopher (at) gmail.com
              ICQ 212-072-421

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                • After Shock Media
                  It's coming look busy
                  • Mar 2001
                  • 35299
                  #5
                  Originally posted by Chris Corn
                  I was thinking going to them is the trick I haven't learned yet. Trying to get them to come to us because we have locations. Everytime I ask no one has a place to shoot so we try to get them here.
                  Even with locations you can still pick them up.
                  This will help by about 10%.

                  [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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                    • nofx
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Nov 2002
                      • 16826
                      #6
                      yup about 95% of them flake

                      about a month ago I had 3 girls lined up to do a shoot for me and all of them fucking flaked out on me

                      rather sad.
                      ;\

                      Often times I wonder why
                      There's love and hate, theres live or die.
                      When sickness comes I must decide:
                      When feelings go, theres suicide.

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                        • Chris Corn
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jul 2006
                          • 237
                          #7
                          Will my e-mail sig help lol


                          ICQ 212-072-421
                          Christopher Corn - Website Content Producer

                          'Dont book if you're going to flake out on me, and if you're flaking me out, fill me in, I wont flake out' **wink*
                          I shoot video.

                          Corn.Christopher (at) gmail.com
                          ICQ 212-072-421

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                            • Grapesoda
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 46234
                              #8
                              custom content shooter experience a 80%-90% no show on test shoots, 99% on black models here in LA and other parts of the country as well . .. I know shooters all over the USA and these are the numbers we've all agreed on.

                              on shoot custom content shoots look at average 40% no-shows and going upwards of 85% if you book more shoots and more models to compensate the average 40% loss

                              on the more expensive models from the higher priced agencies you might get a little lower % of shoot failure however these agencies substitute models and this is not an option for custom exclusive shooters . .

                              this is just part of the territory of custom shooting in America . . . and it does NOT matter how much $$ is on the table . . a model will flake on a $2,000 fee just as readily as a $200 fee

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                                • After Shock Media
                                  It's coming look busy
                                  • Mar 2001
                                  • 35299
                                  #9
                                  Yup agree with Wanton, unless of course you supply the drugs. Ok Im kidding.

                                  [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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                                    • Mr.Right - Banned For Life
                                      I guarantee it
                                      • May 2005
                                      • 18314
                                      #10
                                      Try and shoot at least 20 to 30 sets of her when you first get hold of her.

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                                        • Chris Corn
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jul 2006
                                          • 237
                                          #11
                                          That's friggen terrible. Humm, time to brain storm a better method. Custom content is a drag.
                                          I shoot video.

                                          Corn.Christopher (at) gmail.com
                                          ICQ 212-072-421

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                                            • latinasojourn
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Oct 2003
                                              • 3191
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Chris Corn
                                              Fucking girls man. I set things up and it takes a few weeks to hammer out the bugs. The chick is there on the same page then she fucks off! Never to be heard from again. I politely ask whats going on. I try calling them, nothing. I e-mail nothing. Gone... poof! Never to be seen again. How do you prevent this from happening? There must be a key phrase to tell these girls in order to get them to the shoot. For fucks, sake, it's driving me mental. I offer cash at the end of the shoot, we pick a day and location and still same thing. No show, gone.

                                              Do you have to trick them or be totally honest with them. I never lie, maybe I should. Do I need a website to display the work or will that scare them away? Do I want to scare them away beforehand and spell it all out for them? How can I tell which girls are actually going to show and which are going to fuck you.

                                              once the word is out from referrals that you are ok, the girls are there waiting for you.

                                              i think lots of guys don't know how to talk to girls, or hassle them on the shoot. stay all biz. chicks are wise to the so-called "content shooter" who really is an amateur just trying to get laid or fondle a chick.

                                              ain't cool, and if the girl senses it she probably won't show. if you pay right, are all biz, treat the girls with respect, make them think they are beautiful, they ALWAYS show up.

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                                                • latinasojourn
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                  • 3191
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Chris Corn
                                                  Do I need a website to display the work or will that scare them away?
                                                  yes you do.

                                                  and you should have a private link that the models can click to with examples of exactly what they will be doing.

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                                                    • Grapesoda
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                      • 46234
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by latinasojourn
                                                      once the word is out from referrals that you are ok, the girls are there waiting for you.

                                                      i think lots of guys don't know how to talk to girls, or hassle them on the shoot. stay all biz. chicks are wise to the so-called "content shooter" who really is an amateur just trying to get laid or fondle a chick.

                                                      ain't cool, and if the girl senses it she probably won't show. if you pay right, are all biz, treat the girls with respect, make them think they are beautiful, they ALWAYS show up.
                                                      you're very wrong on everything you've posted to be very honest about it . . . you are not a content shooter and that's a fact, best stop trying to give advice on something you have no idea about at all. bmb

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                                                        • After Shock Media
                                                          It's coming look busy
                                                          • Mar 2001
                                                          • 35299
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by latinasojourn
                                                          once the word is out from referrals that you are ok, the girls are there waiting for you.

                                                          i think lots of guys don't know how to talk to girls, or hassle them on the shoot. stay all biz. chicks are wise to the so-called "content shooter" who really is an amateur just trying to get laid or fondle a chick.

                                                          ain't cool, and if the girl senses it she probably won't show. if you pay right, are all biz, treat the girls with respect, make them think they are beautiful, they ALWAYS show up.

                                                          Where the fuck are you shooting at? I really would love to know. Out of curiosity did a midget greet you when you got off the plane after landing on an island somewhere?

                                                          [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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                                                            • mrthumbs
                                                              salad tossing sig guy
                                                              • Apr 2002
                                                              • 11702
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by nofx
                                                              yup about 95% of them flake


                                                              rather sad.
                                                              ;\
                                                              sounds like my average date!!

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                                                                • Mutt
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                  • 34431
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by latinasojourn
                                                                  once the word is out from referrals that you are ok, the girls are there waiting for you.

                                                                  i think lots of guys don't know how to talk to girls, or hassle them on the shoot. stay all biz. chicks are wise to the so-called "content shooter" who really is an amateur just trying to get laid or fondle a chick.

                                                                  ain't cool, and if the girl senses it she probably won't show. if you pay right, are all biz, treat the girls with respect, make them think they are beautiful, they ALWAYS show up.
                                                                  you are on the good stuff i see!

                                                                  there is NO solution to models flaking - has nothing to do with anything about you or money or anything - girls at that age have their own agendas and the agenda changes every day, sometimes by the hour - if you fit in with it on a particular day and the stars are aligned right she'll show up. actually money is the one thing that will work - but they have to be absolutely desperate for it.
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                                                                    • DBS.US
                                                                      Geo Cities
                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                      • 11842
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Chris, where are you located?
                                                                      Have an unused domain? Make a Free Chaturbate White Label site and be making money tonight

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                                                                        • Addie Rocks!
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Jun 2006
                                                                          • 249
                                                                          #19
                                                                          I'll work for you, depending on what you shoot. I don't flake. It's a job and we all want to get paid. I can't understand why a model would fail to show up to a paid shoot. They've got to be too young, too scared, too shy, or just plain unprofessional.
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                                                                            • Chris Corn
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jul 2006
                                                                              • 237
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by DBS.US
                                                                              Chris, where are you located?
                                                                              I'm located just outside of Toronto, Ontario.
                                                                              I shoot video.

                                                                              Corn.Christopher (at) gmail.com
                                                                              ICQ 212-072-421

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                                                                                • Dagwolf
                                                                                  President of Canada
                                                                                  • Sep 2003
                                                                                  • 23141
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Give them $100 to show up nude at a family reunion and masturbate on the buffet table. If they do that they'll probably show up for the shoot.
                                                                                  Sleep well, and dream of large women.

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                                                                                    • Chris Corn
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Jul 2006
                                                                                      • 237
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Addie Rocks!
                                                                                      I'll work for you, depending on what you shoot. I don't flake. It's a job and we all want to get paid. I can't understand why a model would fail to show up to a paid shoot. They've got to be too young, too scared, too shy, or just plain unprofessional.
                                                                                      Looks like you'd be a blast to work with!
                                                                                      I shoot video.

                                                                                      Corn.Christopher (at) gmail.com
                                                                                      ICQ 212-072-421

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                                                                                        • Addie Rocks!
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                                                                                          • Jun 2006
                                                                                          • 249
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          damn...you're in canada. that may present a problem. if you ever come down to atlanta, hit me up.
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                                                                                            • ER!C L!VE
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                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                              • 724
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Yep. That shit happens to the best of us. Especially girls who haven't been photographed nude before. I have a few of them flake. I had a camera man who I had to pay $200 for a shoot that never happened. Not cool.
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                                                                                                • Red Ezra
                                                                                                  redezra.com
                                                                                                  • May 2004
                                                                                                  • 4678
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  avoiding flakes is all in the casting - you will see signs of flakedom in the interview - you have to talk to the girl eye to eye

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                                                                                                    • 2HousePlague
                                                                                                      CURATOR
                                                                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                                                                      • 14572
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Red Ezra
                                                                                                      avoiding flakes is all in the casting - you will see signs of flakedom in the interview - you have to talk to the girl eye to eye
                                                                                                      Yaah, I think you can filter for this right up front.



                                                                                                      2hp
                                                                                                      tada!

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                                                                                                        • CaptainHowdy
                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                          • Dec 2004
                                                                                                          • 94100
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Dagwolf
                                                                                                          Give them $100 to show up nude at a family reunion and masturbate on the buffet table. If they do that they'll probably show up for the shoot.
                                                                                                          ROFL !!

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                                                                                                            • whorehole
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                                                                              • 299
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Flaking is just part of the game- its gonna happen a certain portion of the time.. just does.

                                                                                                              One of the best ways to get a girl to be there is to dangle the most money you can.. try to book her for multiple shoots/jobs on the same day to increase the enticement.

                                                                                                              Make it worth her rolling out of bed.. eh or stumbling in from an allnighter

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                                                                                                                • Stallion
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                                                                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                  • 6632
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  flaky models suck
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                                                                                                                    • AaronM
                                                                                                                      GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                      • 46917
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Some of the shit you people deal with just floors me. Yes, you are always going to have a certain percentage of flakes but the better you treat the models the lower that number will be. If I had the percentage of flakes that Wanton says he has, I think I would take a good hard look at myself and try to figure out WTF I was doing wrong.

                                                                                                                      I have MAYBE a 15% flake rate on interviews and test shoots and way less than that on paid shoots.

                                                                                                                      I don't use agents and as of 2 weeks ago I stopped advertising in the local papers. I recruit them personally, online, or they are referred by other models these days. I've found that models who reply to print ads or who come from agents are more likely to flake than others.

                                                                                                                      When I do get a flake, it happens with a few girls at once. I haven't had a girl flake on me for a couple of months and all of a sudden I have had 2 this week.

                                                                                                                      Incidentally...I rarely book more than 2 days ahead of time and the girls that flaked were booked prior to the holiday weekend. One of them called me to reschedule and the other has changed her mind about modeling.

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                                                                                                                        • czarina
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                                                                                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                          • 10751
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          that's right, they all flake! We shot a model for 3 hours straight, softcore, just posing nude and that kind of stuff. Paid her handsomely. Asked her come back the following day to shoot her for a few more hours...
                                                                                                                          Guess what? She called us the following morning and said that she couldn't show up because now that she had money she was going to spend the weekend with her boyfriend in Key West.

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                                                                                                                            • AaronM
                                                                                                                              GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                              • 46917
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by czarina
                                                                                                                              that's right, they all flake! We shot a model for 3 hours straight, softcore, just posing nude and that kind of stuff. Paid her handsomely. Asked her come back the following day to shoot her for a few more hours...
                                                                                                                              Guess what? She called us the following morning and said that she couldn't show up because now that she had money she was going to spend the weekend with her boyfriend in Key West.

                                                                                                                              So, the next time she calls you for work, tell her you are booked solid for the next 3 weeks but that she should check in with you each day to see if there is a change.

                                                                                                                              Make her sweat for 3 to 5 days then tell her you have an opening.

                                                                                                                              After that, she is not likely to flake again.

                                                                                                                              It's the producers job to control the models, not the other way around. If you let them flake and get away with it then it will always be an issue.

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                                                                                                                                • AllStar
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                                  • 461
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                                                  So, the next time she calls you for work, tell her you are booked solid for the next 3 weeks but that she should check in with you each day to see if there is a change.

                                                                                                                                  Make her sweat for 3 to 5 days then tell her you have an opening.

                                                                                                                                  After that, she is not likely to flake again.

                                                                                                                                  It's the producers job to control the models, not the other way around. If you let them flake and get away with it then it will always be an issue.

                                                                                                                                  Yeah Aaron you are right to a certain degree and say you have to treat the models right and have to have a certain attitude with them. However don't give Brian such a hard time. In LA you have to shoot a lot of girls to make decent money, unfortunately there is a high flake factor unless you want to shoot girls that have been in the industry a long time and are desperate for the cash.
                                                                                                                                  Brian shoots mostly first time girls and I would venture he is shooting 4-5brand new girls a week, I am sure he doesn't have much time to recruit so he has to book through agencies. Very different then I am sure what you do and what you work you offer the girls.

                                                                                                                                  Also in regards to the original post. Flakes, lateness and stupidity are part of the job as a shooter. You have to deal with it.
                                                                                                                                  For me I don't think it is worth it anymore, I have done it for 4 years now and it drove me fuckin nuts.
                                                                                                                                  Good luck and good riddance...lol
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                                                                                                                                    • jonesy
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                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 6688
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      i use something i learned from aaron

                                                                                                                                      i whip out my cock when i meet them which garuanteeeees theyre showing up when i book em.
                                                                                                                                      .
                                                                                                                                      Shooting Bikini Girls

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                                                                                                                                        • johnshinil
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                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                                          • 194
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Chris.. I think everyone has problems with no show.

                                                                                                                                          From my experience its like this:

                                                                                                                                          FIRST TIMERS / TEST SHOOTS:
                                                                                                                                          The biggest problem are the first-timers, picked up either online, ads, or street. Only around 20 % of these come to the test shoot.

                                                                                                                                          Models referred by other models who already do work for me: - 40% come on test shoot.

                                                                                                                                          PRODUCTION SHOOTS:
                                                                                                                                          My own models: 95% come to the shoot, unless they're out of modelling for good (and this is mostly due to the fact that they got a boyfriend or some shit like that)

                                                                                                                                          Models booked thru agency: - 90% come to shoot, however to actually close a deal with retards from agency is a pain in the ass.


                                                                                                                                          In my case I manage to get the first-time models pretty stable after the test shoot (in most cases they have never done any modelling job at all before).

                                                                                                                                          Here are some tips that I use to reduce the flake effect:
                                                                                                                                          Book 1-2 days prior to actual shoot date.
                                                                                                                                          Pay a bit over the agreed rate (everyone likes free cash).
                                                                                                                                          Book for a decent volume of work (more work per day --> less no show events)

                                                                                                                                          The "flaking" happens mostly becuase of these 2 elements imho:

                                                                                                                                          - not really up to the job - mentally (first time models who havent posed nude before)

                                                                                                                                          - too little cash involved (professionals sometimes agree on booking date, then if they get a better offer on same date from someone else, they cancel the first shooting)



                                                                                                                                          Alternatively I see a way to make a 100% no flake model system. Get them all on crack and get permit from the gouverment to license the content shooters for crack resale. Problem will be solved. A shitload of models, no flaking, and the state will make a few bux of the regulated crack industry.

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                                                                                                                                                • Mr.Right - Banned For Life
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                                                                                                                                                  • May 2005
                                                                                                                                                  • 18314
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                                                                  Some of the shit you people deal with just floors me. Yes, you are always going to have a certain percentage of flakes but the better you treat the models the lower that number will be. If I had the percentage of flakes that Wanton says he has, I think I would take a good hard look at myself and try to figure out WTF I was doing wrong.

                                                                                                                                                  I have MAYBE a 15% flake rate on interviews and test shoots and way less than that on paid shoots.

                                                                                                                                                  I don't use agents and as of 2 weeks ago I stopped advertising in the local papers. I recruit them personally, online, or they are referred by other models these days. I've found that models who reply to print ads or who come from agents are more likely to flake than others.

                                                                                                                                                  When I do get a flake, it happens with a few girls at once. I haven't had a girl flake on me for a couple of months and all of a sudden I have had 2 this week.

                                                                                                                                                  Incidentally...I rarely book more than 2 days ahead of time and the girls that flaked were booked prior to the holiday weekend. One of them called me to reschedule and the other has changed her mind about modeling.

                                                                                                                                                  That is 100%. I fond the best girls are the ones i have approched in cafe's ect, always on time and always eager to shoot.

                                                                                                                                                  AaronM has written a blog on finding models which i thought was really good.

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                                                                                                                                                    • Grapesoda
                                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                      • 46234
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                                                                      Some of the shit you people deal with just floors me. Yes, you are always going to have a certain percentage of flakes but the better you treat the models the lower that number will be. If I had the percentage of flakes that Wanton says he has, I think I would take a good hard look at myself and try to figure out WTF I was doing wrong.

                                                                                                                                                      **** not just me dough boy . . industry standard



                                                                                                                                                      I have MAYBE a 15% flake rate on interviews and test shoots and way less than that on paid shoots.

                                                                                                                                                      I don't use agents and as of 2 weeks ago I stopped advertising in the local papers. I recruit them personally, online, or they are referred by other models these days. I've found that models who reply to print ads or who come from agents are more likely to flake than others.

                                                                                                                                                      *** very, very true


                                                                                                                                                      When I do get a flake, it happens with a few girls at once. I haven't had a girl flake on me for a couple of months and all of a sudden I have had 2 this week.


                                                                                                                                                      *** yep, when it rains it pours

                                                                                                                                                      Incidentally...I rarely book more than 2 days ahead of time and the girls that flaked were booked prior to the holiday weekend. One of them called me to reschedule and the other has changed her mind about modeling.

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                                                                                                                                                        • Grapesoda
                                                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                          • 46234
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by AllStar
                                                                                                                                                          Also in regards to the original post. Flakes, lateness and stupidity are part of the job as a shooter. You have to deal with it.
                                                                                                                                                          For me I don't think it is worth it anymore, I have done it for 4 years now and it drove me fuckin nuts.
                                                                                                                                                          Good luck and good riddance...lol
                                                                                                                                                          I'm right there with ya workin very hard to move along to greener grass

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                                                                                                                                                            • czarina
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                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                              • 10751
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Show me the money! Really. Show them that you have the cash. If you are offering 500 show them at least three, and tell them that you are not joking. Just make sure to be safe.

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                                                                                                                                                                • AllStar
                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                                                                  • 461
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  However really the only way to prevent no shows, is to basically build a name for your self. Although I have never seen it done in this industry, it is something that is done in Mainstream and works very well. They hype the shit of a photographer or Director and you are lucky just to work with the person, and if you have attitude or become flakey they will take you completely out of the industry and you can go flip burgers at Burger King.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Doctor Dre
                                                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                      • 51692
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      It's a fact of life... theses bitches just flake on you. I learned it a hard way during a huge shoot when 2 models didn't show up.
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                                                                                                      I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                                                                                                                        • AaronM
                                                                                                                                                                          GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                          • 46917
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by AllStar
                                                                                                                                                                          Yeah Aaron you are right to a certain degree and say you have to treat the models right and have to have a certain attitude with them. However don't give Brian such a hard time. In LA you have to shoot a lot of girls to make decent money, unfortunately there is a high flake factor unless you want to shoot girls that have been in the industry a long time and are desperate for the cash.
                                                                                                                                                                          Brian shoots mostly first time girls and I would venture he is shooting 4-5brand new girls a week, I am sure he doesn't have much time to recruit so he has to book through agencies. Very different then I am sure what you do and what you work you offer the girls.
                                                                                                                                                                          I'm not giving Brian a hard time at all.

                                                                                                                                                                          As for what he does and what I do....I too shoot 4 to 5 brand new girls each week....And I'm not sharing them with LA agents or photographers who treat them like shit and or allow the models to walk all over them. If the girl is brand new then it's up to the producer to train her to act like a professional and show up for her shoots before somebody else allows her to develop poor work habits.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • AaronM
                                                                                                                                                                              GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                              • 46917
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Hey Brian.....Call me a dough boy if you like but you may want to take a peek in the mirror and realise that you are fat AND old.....well....At least you look way older than me.

                                                                                                                                                                              Love always,
                                                                                                                                                                              Dough Boy

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Jim_Gunn
                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 5702
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  I have a pretty low flake and no-show rate. Thankfully most of the girls I book want to work for me because I been around forever and I often film an atttractive new girl several times immediately and sometimes a dozen or more times after that for different projects in some cases. And when they do flake, oh well, thats life. Sometimes I rebook them if they are hot enough, otherwise there's more where she came from. New girls are turning eighteen every day.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Sebastian Sands
                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 5223
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      A chick making 2 k today is very likely to flake tomorrow on a 800 dollar shoot. She has money she doesn't worry untill the money runs out and then she will come begging, unfortunately most producers/photographers will still shoot her. Pussy control... lol

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • basschick
                                                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 2540
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          it ain't just girls - actually it ain't just adult! we're shooting male non-adult and we still have our share of flakes. models aren't all the most reliable people in the world ;)
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Pornwolf
                                                                                                                                                                                              Drunk and Unruly
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 22712
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by basschick
                                                                                                                                                                                              it ain't just girls - actually it ain't just adult! we're shooting male non-adult and we still have our share of flakes. models aren't all the most reliable people in the world ;)
                                                                                                                                                                                              This is the truth. Ever try recruiting session musicians from the Velvet Rope? LOL
                                                                                                                                                                                              I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

                                                                                                                                                                                              Webair, bitches.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Chris Corn
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 237
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Really good info in here. Soaking it in....
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I shoot video.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Corn.Christopher (at) gmail.com
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • jimthefiend
                                                                                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 18889
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Most models flake. Fact of shooting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Book as close to the shoot as possible, pick their asses up if you can, stay friendly with agents if you use them, and try to avoid those with boyfriends or suitcase pimps. Oh yeah strippers really suck.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Words to live by.

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