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It's pretty much the same here. The people most desiring to control other's lives vote. Too many of the people who don't give a shit what others do don't give a shit about voting.Originally posted by Relish XXX
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In legal areas, advertising areas, entertainment areas (TV-Movies-Adult-Gambling, Clubs), artistic areas (Art-Music-Writing), media print/TV areas, sexual areas straight/and gay, political areas, the list is rather long so I will just say etc. etc.Originally posted by mardigrasLast edited by Sexxxy Sites; 06-02-2006, 03:40 PM.Comment
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Yes, anyone that doesn't agree that gay marriage should be allowed in this country is a bigot. Just like those that supported segregation back in the day were bigots. Plain and simple.Originally posted by Pleasurepays
This isn't an abstract "concept" or "opinion", this is a real issue of being treated like a second class citizen that has REAL effects on the day-to-day lives of homosexuals living in this country.Comment
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Areas areas areas... Not one specific example? Most of those broad things you mentioned such as advertisement, entertainment and media are markets, not freedoms. A filmmaker had the right to make Brokeback Mountain 20 years ago, but it wasn't until after the success of other gay movies and TV shows that someone decided it had a market. Just because something didn't exist prior doesn't mean there wasn't freedoms for it.Originally posted by Sexxxy Sites
And just a slight tidbit... gay people have been making art and politics for centuries
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you know the funny thing to me is that almost all of these people that are opposed to gay marriage say they are for legal civil unions. these unions will give gay couples the same legal rights as married couples only they won't be married couple. So basically they are shitting themselves over the word marriage. Amazing. Who someone fucks, marries, loves whatever is non of the governments business and they should stay out of it.
Also, at least you car rest assured that there is more chance of Ted Kennedy getting sober than this thing passing. It would need a 2/3 vote in congress and the senate and then 2/3 of the states would have to aggree to ratify it and that will never happen. This is all just Bush flexing for his base because with approval ratings this low the only people left that like him and support him are the radical religous zealots and he wants to appease them in an election year.Comment
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I disagree with you slightly. As long as one supports alternate means for truly securing the legal rights for all I believe that one can oppose having a law passed called specifically "gay marriage" and not be automatically a bigot.Originally posted by BoyAlley.Comment
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Brokeback Mountain probably could have been made 20 years ago but it could not have been made 50 years ago. Yes some of what I named are markets and were prevented by law, and or practice, from doing much of what those markets do now because the laws have been changed. Fifty years ago sodomy was illegal in most if not all states, as was adultry. Fifty years ago it was difficult to get a divorce, now one can get a divorce just by agreement. Fifty years ago abortion was illegal in most if not all of the states, now it is legal. Fifty years ago, many jobs that are now available to gays, were not available to known gays, but by law they are now available. Fifty years ago a defendant was not always provided an attorney and certainly not one prior to questioning. The list of things that are now allowed, that used to be prevented by law, and or practice, is lengthy. As I stated more freedoms exist now for Americans than existed fifty years ago.Originally posted by mardigrasAreas areas areas... Not one specific example? Most of those broad things you mentioned such as advertisement, entertainment and media are markets, not freedoms. A filmmaker had the right to make Brokeback Mountain 20 years ago, but it wasn't until after the success of other gay movies and TV shows that someone decided it had a market. Just because something didn't exist prior doesn't mean there wasn't freedoms for it.
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damn I just read my own post and clearly I cannot type worth a shit tonight
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But there's the problem. People say one thing and do another. Sure if you ask people they will say they support civil unions unless they truly look like they are trying to discriminate, but how many states have civil union bills up for vote? Fewer than are trying to pass legislation banning civil unions.Originally posted by kane
It goes much deeper than just Bush... it's a coordinated springboard for the midterm elections all across the country.Originally posted by kane
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Personally I like civil unions better than marriage. I wish they allowed hetero civil unions, no more divorce.Comment
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If you take the issue out of the context of a political wedge (a mistake I think since it takes attention away from real issues), then it's not about keeping the constitution the SAME, it's about BARRING gays from being legally married. It's about ammending the constitution to take a right AWAY from some people.
Now remember, NO state has EVER been forced to recognize any married couple from any other state. AND, that has never been challenged beyond any one state.
In other words, it is NOT a national/federal issue. It just gets talked about during runups to elections as a wedge issue. Thats what it's about, thats all it's about in real world terms! If it was not brought up on TV by the right wing near election times, it would not be an issue beyond cities and county and state governments, EXACTLY like it already had been forever! lol43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.
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Yep, you are right. Bush starts the ball rolling and the other conservatives will jump on board and use the platform for their own campaigns. This gives them good ammo because even when the bill gets shot down they can go home and say, " see I tried to help pass a law to ban gay marriage, but those evil liberals shot us down."Originally posted by mardigrasIt goes much deeper than just Bush... it's a coordinated springboard for the midterm elections all across the country.Comment
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Originally posted by kane
this is exactly the plan ... and fail proof ...
You have to give it to the republicans, they are better at using the system then the Dem's ...I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
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ok... i am a bigot i guess. you know nothing about me, what i believe and why but whatever. its a problem for gays. its your problem... fight your fight... but you should do yourself a favor adn be smart enough to understand that you won't win by attacking everyone who is not like you ... you will win by intelligently stating your case and gaining the support of those who are not like you because you were able to help them see things from your perspective and understand the problem through your eyes.Originally posted by BoyAlley
people don't tend to sympathize with simple minded and defensive pricks... and as it stands, you have to pursuade those people you hate and you just can't do that with more hate.
arguing about it just to impress those who already agree with you as an exercise in self affirmation is not going to help change the law either.
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and for the record.... you are also a bigot.
Main Entry: big·ot
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
definition: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudicesComment
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Move to Australia, problem solved. While ya we have a % of nutjobs, and a PM that likes to have rumpety pumpety with Bush, he's on the way out. I see a lot of decent changes coming in over the next few years. It'll take a bit to fix all his fuckups first, but they can't do a worse job then it already done.
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GAWD DAYUM you Republicans like to run ur god damn mouth to try and justify the fact that you're a bible fucking bigot.....Originally posted by Pleasurepaysok... i am a bigot i guess. you know nothing about me, what i believe and why but whatever. its a problem for gays. its your problem... fight your fight... but you should do yourself a favor adn be smart enough to understand that you won't win by attacking everyone who is not like you ... you will win by intelligently stating your case and gaining the support of those who are not like you because you were able to help them see things from your perspective and understand the problem through your eyes.
people don't tend to sympathize with simple minded and defensive pricks... and as it stands, you have to pursuade those people you hate and you just can't do that with more hate.
arguing about it just to impress those who already agree with you as an exercise in self affirmation is not going to help change the law either.
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LOL @ "rumpety pumpety"Originally posted by nekromMove to Australia, problem solved. While ya we have a % of nutjobs, and a PM that likes to have rumpety pumpety with Bush, he's on the way out. I see a lot of decent changes coming in over the next few years. It'll take a bit to fix all his fuckups first, but they can't do a worse job then it already done.
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logic and fact really annoy you that much?Originally posted by BoyAlleyGAWD DAYUM you Republicans like to run ur god damn mouth to try and justify the fact that you're a bible fucking bigot.....
jesus... are you also taking estrogen?
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You republicans just can't go 2 sentences without mentioning the name "Jesus" can ya?Originally posted by Pleasurepayslogic and fact really annoy you that much?
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Originally posted by BoyAlley
Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his Name in vain.
87654321I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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The good thing about being a boardwhore and not a politician is that we don't HAVE to tolerate your stupidity. We don't have to persuade you of anything. Besides, if you were smart enough to assess and consider your flawed opinion with an option of changing it, that would mean you have an open and active mind. Since you're a republican, we can pretty much discard that option entirely right off the bat. People like you can't be persuaded, you can only be supressed and marginalized like you were before the bible thumpers came back to power. Go back to the Ozarks, you hillbilly.Originally posted by Pleasurepaysok... i am a bigot i guess. you know nothing about me, what i believe and why but whatever. its a problem for gays. its your problem... fight your fight... but you should do yourself a favor adn be smart enough to understand that you won't win by attacking everyone who is not like you ... you will win by intelligently stating your case and gaining the support of those who are not like you because you were able to help them see things from your perspective and understand the problem through your eyes.
people don't tend to sympathize with simple minded and defensive pricks... and as it stands, you have to pursuade those people you hate and you just can't do that with more hate.
arguing about it just to impress those who already agree with you as an exercise in self affirmation is not going to help change the law either.
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OMG BUAAAAAAHAHAHAAAAAAOriginally posted by dig420
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You are such a faggot. G F Y .Originally posted by BoyAlley
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Reading this thread was a horrible way to start my Monday morning. All I have taken from it is a list of people to never do business with.Comment
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