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Old 10-10-2008, 06:28 AM  
BlackCrayon
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays View Post
people ARE to blame. PEOPLE elect governments to represent them and their values.

all your arguments ignore a simple, obvious truth. we are a global economy (which is now in a global meltdown) and competition is global. My adult business is competing with a porn company from Prague, from Moscow, from London, from Isreal, from Romania, from Spain, from the philippines and so on. Outsourcing isn't a choice about greed. its a choice to stay alive, to grow a company by lowering costs and investing that money in growth. Outsourcing, whether you want to admit it or not creates domestic jobs. When companies grow, wealth is created. when wealth is created, more money is loaned to small business, to home owners, paid in taxes into the system etc. the economy is not a zero sum system. just because some uneducated turd in Smellyfart Louisiana lost his AOL customer support job to India.. doesn't mean that AOL isn't growing as a result, becoming a healthier company and ultimately creating more jobs in the US.

We don't live in Stalinist Soviet Union. The State isn't supposed to be the one offering you some type of security and coddling you. YOU are the one that is supposed to be bettering yourself, educating yourself, improving your skills, improving your value, improving your marketability in the job market and increasing demand for yourself. YOU are the one that is supposed to be out there creating the next big thing, creating a small business, creating jobs and taking your own future and destiny into your own hands to control the direction of your life.

The world changes... you don't want to change with it. You want to resist the change thats happening, refuse to adapt and then you want government to step in stop the clock, stop the wheels of progress, pick you up, dust you off and tell you that you no longer have to worry about anything. BAD NEWS bro, that's not reality. It's an idea that has always looked great on paper and NEVER worked in practice.

Until this nation starts waking up every morning and asking "what can i do to control my destiny" and stops asking "how can government make my life easier" - nothing is going to change.

That's how this country began. That's what made it great. People were escaping the restraints of government for the freedom to build their own lives, on their own terms.

People were hungry...people wanted it. that is why most of the world used to look up to the US and why it became known as the place where anyone could make their dreams come true.

Like any empire.. once the people get fat, lose perspective and the priorities and values change... and that's were we are today... a stunned nation full of retards that can't figure out why government isn't taking care of them... eager to elect the candidate who is able to best communicate the notion that he is going to fix their lives... erase a retarded amount of credit card debt, save them from foreclosure on the house they couldn't afford, stop the repossession of the car they shouldn't have bought, save the job that never should have existed in the first place.
You make some good points, I don't have the time to respond to them all but will say I am not in favor of letting people starve while they figure out how to adapt to this new reality. Its American workers and consumers who have allowed these companies to become as successful as they are, yet they aren't the ones who suffer. its unfair, and although "life isn't fair" not everyone is going to be able to come up with the next best thing, not everyone will be able to have their own successful business. Its easy to think that everyone should just fend for themselves when you run your own business, you figure if you can, so should everyone else but when these retards run out of money, and out of jobs, your business is going to suffer as well.
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