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Let me know if you wanna give it a shot, Ill be happy to help you out
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I said several times, this is not funny anymore.
Surfers around here, don't just read this fucking board but please save us by signing up to some dozens of sites! ;)
If that really is clicked and US based... you seriously need to look at what your doing instead of blaming the billing system.
If its not all US start sorting it and find programs that will convert surfers from each region.
First of all, i'm not blaming the processor. It's just something that caught my eye while I was checking all the stats. NATS based big programs perform much better, though they are more targeted.
It is clicked traffic. If it's 100% US i dont know, because I don't track it, but it's general traffic that is floating around (SE's, blogs, freesites etc)
Problem is, i'm too lazy to fuck with it (clean it up, remove old links, set up new ads, etc)
Know why there is 36k unique hits and no sales? Because there used to be one model, then she quit, then the fucker completely removed all her content. That's right, on the front page of the site there is a completely different girl. Ofc. surfers click the thumb expecting to see the old model, but get some bullshit instead.
I'm finding that more and more surfers are using my TGP's to find new stuff, clicking to the tour to see if they really like it...and then instead of buying a membership (like they used to) they leave.
When that is happening to sites that always converted...I can only come up with one rational idea. They are using me to find what's hot and then are going to search the tubes for the content for free.
I have seen simiilar ratios in my stats for some very big companies that I have promoted for years and years. Can't sell shit on them now. Sending plenty of good, real traffic. But not seeing any conversions.
You can say "Your traffic sucks" until the cows come home. But every hit I send is a real human being clicking on a link that they are interested in. If it doesn't convert at the tour, then there is something happening.
My belief, from my years of experience, is that they are using us as a way to find the next site to search for that has the members area ripped on a tube.
We all know the integrity of those (being run by a single webmaster, models running away after a few months of work, etc.)
That's why they choose ccbill - cause it's easy to set up.
Big operation programs (on Nats) are doing okay.
Let's not paint everyone with the same brush and call into question the INTEGRITY of all sponsors using ccbill to administer their programs; I know a lot of independently owned/operated personality sites who've been around for YEARS, including my own since 2002. Just because people use ccbill and may have less resources than big corporate porn sponsors hardly means they have less INTEGRITY. That's just bullshit.
Plus you can find assloads of threads attesting to the greater trust webmasters have with ccbill administered programs vs. NATS. There is no shaving with ccbill sponsors.
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I'm finding that more and more surfers are using my TGP's to find new stuff, clicking to the tour to see if they really like it...and then instead of buying a membership (like they used to) they leave.
When that is happening to sites that always converted...I can only come up with one rational idea. They are using me to find what's hot and then are going to search the tubes for the content for free.
I have seen simiilar ratios in my stats for some very big companies that I have promoted for years and years. Can't sell shit on them now. Sending plenty of good, real traffic. But not seeing any conversions.
You can say "Your traffic sucks" until the cows come home. But every hit I send is a real human being clicking on a link that they are interested in. If it doesn't convert at the tour, then there is something happening.
My belief, from my years of experience, is that they are using us as a way to find the next site to search for that has the members area ripped on a tube.
All good points, especially since people are talking about the next depression hitting us. People are going to be stealing even more porn than they were three months ago instead of paying for it.
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Know why there is 36k unique hits and no sales? Because there used to be one model, then she quit, then the fucker completely removed all her content. That's right, on the front page of the site there is a completely different girl. Ofc. surfers click the thumb expecting to see the old model, but get some bullshit instead.
Webmasters like these should be fucking shot.
Yep, those programs really didn't (do not) know what they are doing when they make changes like that. Lose/lose situation.
or mentally bookmarking it and googling it later. i'm finding se traffic decent day in day out. the surfer is just getting smarter.
Originally posted by Robbie
I'm finding that more and more surfers are using my TGP's to find new stuff, clicking to the tour to see if they really like it...and then instead of buying a membership (like they used to) they leave.
When that is happening to sites that always converted...I can only come up with one rational idea. They are using me to find what's hot and then are going to search the tubes for the content for free.
I have seen simiilar ratios in my stats for some very big companies that I have promoted for years and years. Can't sell shit on them now. Sending plenty of good, real traffic. But not seeing any conversions.
You can say "Your traffic sucks" until the cows come home. But every hit I send is a real human being clicking on a link that they are interested in. If it doesn't convert at the tour, then there is something happening.
My belief, from my years of experience, is that they are using us as a way to find the next site to search for that has the members area ripped on a tube.
ive noticed my ccbill stats for some sponsors are starting to go down hill as well. im wondering if its a cookie related issue or something that is causing a problem.. not trying to cause drama but i dont know how CCbill processes the affiliate sale
always got to be an idiot or two that says "your traffic sucks"
I'm seeing pretty much the same kind of things, and that is on mostly google search traffic, so with the "your traffic sucks" bs
(and respect for some honest stats DJ)
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Is that direct hits to a tour or to a gallery? Some ccbill programs count hits to galleries in your stats, which totally screws up the stats.
realistically, all programs should count ALL unique hits you send them
but for most of the ones that really matter in his list, I think they only count hits to join pages
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I'm finding that more and more surfers are using my TGP's to find new stuff, clicking to the tour to see if they really like it...and then instead of buying a membership (like they used to) they leave.
When that is happening to sites that always converted...I can only come up with one rational idea. They are using me to find what's hot and then are going to search the tubes for the content for free.
I have seen simiilar ratios in my stats for some very big companies that I have promoted for years and years. Can't sell shit on them now. Sending plenty of good, real traffic. But not seeing any conversions.
You can say "Your traffic sucks" until the cows come home. But every hit I send is a real human being clicking on a link that they are interested in. If it doesn't convert at the tour, then there is something happening.
My belief, from my years of experience, is that they are using us as a way to find the next site to search for that has the members area ripped on a tube.
I agree. Tube sites are fucking everyone. There is zero reason to join ANY paysite when you get an unlimited amount of 20 minute vids, and it doesnt matter it they are stolen or not.
No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
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Are you sending to FHGs with any of those accounts? Is it possible they're using the "quick and dirty" method of requiring you to link to them via refer.ccbill.com (thus increasing your raw count)?
Check out this shit from a sponser I used to 40 odd sales a month with to this. Get no reply to emails now to boot. Got a shitload of links to switch today.
Getting so fucking disillusioned with this business. Once some sponsers think they've got in you in their pocket...
Must be my traffic. :P
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Wow, I see some bad ratios but never that deep on CCBill sites.
I don't buy the whole Tube excuse. I think that's a cop out - I think surfers are more savvy on porn and many look at more than one gallery or free site or whatever means of promotion you're using before they're interested enough in buying. Cookies may have a bigger place in it all than most give credit for. What is the average cookie life for CCBill programs?
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