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Normally a "Justice Department" is something not attached to pandering to wishes and opinions of others. It exists simply to enforce existing laws.Originally posted by Convicted
Therein lies the first failing.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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I did move out, I was living in another country on student visa with my Servers in Netherlands (also VSX BILLING) and was popped in the states. Arrested in that other country at Ashcroft's request and extradited to the US. So living in another country doesn't really help.....Originally posted by Webby
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When I am on the highway, I always like to find a car that is going just a little bit faster than I am, so I can let it go in front of me and follow it.
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conviction what site did you have and lou what was your site? We must of read about your stories in the adult publications.Comment
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DUH???Originally posted by ConvictedI did move out, I was living in another country on student visa with my Servers in Netherlands (also VSX BILLING) and was popped in the states. Arrested in that other country at Ashcroft's request and extradited to the US. So living in another country doesn't really help.....
Don't know the background of your stuff Convicted. What does the US have to do with it when you did not live or host there?XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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Its weird I think we would of heard about this, that would of been a pretty big deal.Originally posted by WebbyComment
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lots of asskissing all over this thread...Comment
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Just wondering if Convicted is actually a US citizen - that would be about the only grounds for any solid extradiction order in the Netherlands.Originally posted by tony404
Stuff like a video of someone getting their nipples pierced.. mmm.. don't sound like "porn" - least to me
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Until one day you come around the bend and there is a officer using laser and 6 police cars pulling everyone over via radio. Except imagine your punishment being 4-5 years in jail not a ticket. Not to mention the speed limit is clearly posted so you KNOW you are breaking the law.Originally posted by aicoWhen I am on the highway, I always like to find a car that is going just a little bit faster than I am, so I can let it go in front of me and follow it.
With obscenity there is only 1 sign, NO KIDDIE. *But if we think you're going to fast we will video it and show it to a jury and see what they say. Then the jury winds up full of Elderly women that ride the bus, yup he was going to fast..... Now what?Comment
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Originally posted by shermsshackYou seem like a smart guy and I have done business with you on many occasions. However, do you honestly think that "straight normal porn" has never been under a microscope? Do you think that "straight normal porn" would go unnoticed if extreme content wasn't around?
Come on Paul. You have to be smarter than that.
not that it would go unnoticed, but it is much easier to turn your head to. If someone says shit in front of your kid, you are annoyed, But if they say FUACK THIS FUCKING DONKY BALL SUCK COCK SHIT in front of your kid, you are pissed of, and going to do something about it. Same with straight ( Nude photos ) to extreme ( lamp up the ass with a chainsaw in the pussy ) photos.PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic
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Yes, I am a US citizen.Originally posted by WebbyJust wondering if Convicted is actually a US citizen - that would be about the only grounds for any solid extradiction order in the Netherlands.
Stuff like a video of someone getting their nipples pierced.. mmm.. don't sound like "porn" - least to meComment
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heh, another soon to be deemed obscene niche i'm sure... anyone taking part in asskissing please be sure to cover your ass (oops) w/ the prerequisite forms and notarized documentation stating when said ass was last cleansed, or run the risk of being lumped in w/ another of the dreaded "extreme" hooligans..Originally posted by Rui
hail eris, hail discordia.....promise her a defamation, tell her where the rain will fall..Comment
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Bro, its been all over!!! Call Larry Walters, Lou Sirkin, David Wasserman, Andy Chatham. JM Productions, Max harcore, ect ect ect..Originally posted by tony404
Media told us the "public" is not interested in this right now.
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Well we are waiting, come on now time to show if you are realOriginally posted by tony404Comment
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that has nothing to do with youOriginally posted by ConvictedBro, its been all over!!! Call Larry Walters, Lou Sirkin, David Wasserman, Andy Chatham. JM Productions, Max harcore, ect ect ect..
Media told us the "public" is not interested in this right now.Comment
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Got ya! Understand!Originally posted by Convicted
So what was the actual charge (Civil code) that was used to get your conviction for nipple piercing videos?XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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The only thing they had to prove is they could access the material in the local community. Doesn't matter where servers are or where you live. Call a lawyer and ask don't take my word for it.Originally posted by WebbyComment
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No, I have spoken to OR retained everyone mentioned. I was pointing that out if you know them they know me. To back my shit up...Originally posted by tony404Comment
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Why cant you say your site? I dont need to talk to them your the one fear mongering saying they came and got you out of a foreign country but not one adult publication wrote about it hmmmmmmmmmOriginally posted by ConvictedComment
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Agree with ya tony!Originally posted by tony404
If there is something which genuinely has got overlooked - Convict needs to say else it's pointless.
It's clear there are other issues involved since even the US DOJ nor any judge in the Netherlands is going to listen to, or commence extradition proceedings based on some local community law in the US. They got better and more serious shit to deal with.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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To be honest I don't really want everyone calling the Prosecutor office telling them I am on here ranting because God know what will come next. Seeing how most Webmasters on this board are happy to see other webmasters get jacked I know those calls willbe made.Originally posted by tony404
one more thing....Fear Mongering??? I am going to prison Bro, I am over fear. I came here to try and open some eyes. Not asking for money or sympathy or to scare anyone.Comment
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Fuck the Prosecutor - you owe him nothing. Why do you "fear" some prosecutor?Originally posted by Convicted
You don't have to be "too specific" but nobody is going to call a prosecutor - they have nothing to say to him. It never was a criminal offense to rant.
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Servers/Billing were at VSX in Netherlands. I was not living in netherlands or the states. Wish I was....Originally posted by Webby
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totally understand and know that at least some of us appreciate you bothering to clue the community in friend, don't let some of these people get under your skin... some of them were demanding that Asia Carrera produce a corpse (ala Ferris Bueller principle reference) just days ago..Originally posted by Convicted...promise her a defamation, tell her where the rain will fall..Comment
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Well yeah there is...they Already said in court "Why don't we indict the wifes..plus a co-denfanent just got a full blown audit form the IRS so...not scared but trying to be smart. If any of you "players" know the lawyers involed they will tell you I am not full of shit.Originally posted by WebbyFuck the Prosecutor - you owe him nothing. Why do you "fear" some prosecutor?
You don't have to be "too specific" but nobody is going to call a prosecutor - they have nothing to say to him. It never was a criminal offense to rant.Comment
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Thanks Chupacabra. I started in this business in 1996 and I have never posted here because I didn't want to get wrapped up in the drama.Look at me now. 37 days from jail and spending my time on this. If anyone wants more info you can e-mail me at [email protected].Originally posted by chupacabraComment
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OK got ya. So you were not in the Netherlands and not extradited from there.Originally posted by ConvictedServers/Billing were at VSX in Netherlands. I was not living in netherlands or the states. Wish I was....
Sounds like you chose a "not so good" country to be actually resident. Presumably, they have laws against nipple piercing to enable extradition proceedings?
Man.. there is more to this story eh? Extradition procedures are fairly costly and only cover a limited range of what can be regarded as serious crime.
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1) I don't have much sympathy for Rob Black, sorry.Originally posted by Convicted
2) I said for HIS sake, he is better of not going to jail but if he does go... so be it. He knew all the risks and pushed the envelope. Now he must face what ever comes from it. Right or wrong, he knew the limits and the risks.
Please don't mistake me for someone who cares either way. My ducks are all in a row and if they shut down the entire adult industry tomorrow I would be fine. I'm in this to make as much money as I can while I'm in it... not to make friends, fight for freedom, fight for pornographers rights or defend people like Rob Black. I'm an ex-pat for a reason.Comment
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37 days from jail and your still around?Originally posted by Convicted
You must not be going in for long, otherwise you should be making an exit strategy.Comment
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Says it all.Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoyComment
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51-63 Months. Not going to run.Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoyComment
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well since you have already been convicted and are about to go up the road for 4 1/2 to 5 years... and really you have nothing else to lose since you have already been convicted, why don't you just lay it down about what happened?Originally posted by Convicted
is this anything like what happened to the guy that owned www.nowthatsfuckedup.com ?? that kid got 100 plus individual charges of obscenity plus some other garbage. and he wasn't even taking the photos or anything like that. he just hosted a website that people submitted their own photos to. of course there was also a huge firestorm from the Pentagon, because soldiers were posting pics of dead and slaughtered Iraqis and middle easterns to gain membership to his website to see the adult side. this guy has been convicted too.... although i'm not too sure of the stipulations of what he got. i know he had to turn over the website to the sheriffs department and the FBI.
unfortunately he did it right smack dab in the middle of the good ole boy network on Polk County, FL (county between Tampa and Orlando on I-4).
you should do a google search for that website.... you'd be surprised what comes up. and this guy used to be a cop in that same county that he was arrested in.Comment
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I find it hard to believe you going to jail and you have nothing better to do then post on GFY. Im sorry I dont believe you , taking someone out of a foreign country is a big big deal, they would of made a big deal out of it because it shows well for them especially since they promised to go after porn.Your already sentenced and convicted and you have to be all hush hush stooooooop lolOriginally posted by ConvictedComment
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Don't think there is any country that has extradition treaties for "porn".Originally posted by tony404
Sure.. stuff like pedo-related offenses - (tho even those are physical assaults against children - the "porn" element is incidental), murder, rape, fraud, terrorism blah. Normally.. tho not always, there is usually a need to present a judge with a prima facie case, establish it is an "extradition offense" and more legalities.
To instigate extradition proceedings simply for "nipple piercing videos" is sheer insane and highly improbable.
Since Convict has not offered up anything to suggest otherwise, sounds reasonable to assume there is *much* more underneath and more serious than minor issues over "obscenity" in some form or other.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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Your right. I'm a fucken liar...sorry to waste your time.Originally posted by WebbyComment
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Not saying you are a liar Convict - but your story is just not credible.Originally posted by Convicted
OK.. You may have good reason for not saying much, but what you have said so far just don't add up.
If I was indicted/convicted of some "porn" offense - what is there to hide? That's almost like the "luck of the game" - you win some, you lose some.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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Tho.. I know one thing for almost 110% certainty - the probability of ever getting convicted for a video of some girl getting her tits pierced is like a million to one.
Getting extradited for "nipple piercing" is more like 10 mill to one.Last edited by Webby; 06-22-2006, 05:38 PM.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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You mean it doesn't make since. Werid...I never thought of that. Maybe thats why I am so fucken mad about it. Hmmmm....Originally posted by WebbyComment
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Fuck. I would be sooooo gone.Originally posted by Convicted
I'd dip on 6 months. I do not give any man or jury the right or authority to put me in a cell and take away my freedom. They would have to catch me first, and I can assure you that would not be an easy task.
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For 200k you can get a legal Panamanian passport. Get that and denounce your US citizenship. They will not extradite you.
I guess its a matter of how much 4 years of your life is worth.Comment
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No.. it don't make sense man.Originally posted by Convicted
If it is so outrageous there there has been any over-the-top issuing of justice - there is a process to handle that.
And.. if it is an issue like that - doubt you'd be alone in any appeals process either.
But.. think you know already - it's not really "just" about piercing videos, is it?XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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Your right. I'm full of shit. Didn't Happen. If you don't have a contact with a recognized 1st amendment lawyer to validate my story I can't help you. I am not going to post details just to satisfy you.Originally posted by Webby
Regardless. The post was about "extreme porn". I was referencing my own experiences as well as others to point out "extreme porn" is a bullshit moving target.Comment
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Got to agree DirtyWhiteBoy - if it was a genuine case, I'd be fighting it forever - and, if it came to the crunch and getting abusive - I'd be off living life to the full.Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoyXXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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imo... this is extreme: models portraid as "teen"
dressing them in school girl outfits, braces, dolls n toys around...
they are impersonating someone to look underage and i hope you all go to jail! they are the only ones i wouldn't care what happens to and I wish they got hit first before what u call "extreme" ...
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First... I don't need contracts with "1st Amendment Lawyers" - got more lawyers than flies around a carcass. If your matter is genuine, - and so far, you are not very convincing on this, - it's sure a "secret" others in this biz may want to know about. (And not for some voyeuristic thrill - it's very biz relevant and can be a source of help.)Originally posted by ConvictedYour right. I'm full of shit. Didn't Happen. If you don't have a contact with a recognized 1st amendment lawyer to validate my story I can't help you. I am not going to post details just to satisfy you.
Regardless. The post was about "extreme porn". I was referencing my own experiences as well as others to point out "extreme porn" is a bullshit moving target.
Don't expect you to divulge specific info here on your "case". There is nothing wrong with a "hypothetical" case - but not blinded by an undercurrent of other possible offenses which probably included the "main offense" and had little to do with "porn". Folks don't get extradited for "porn" - specifically "piercing videos" - that was never an extradition offense.
Of course "extreme porn" is a moving target - isn't anything extreme? Your own experiences of "extreme porn" have not been too transparent so far - if they were, it would possibly be another story.
Just got little cred on this - if there is a point - say so, or simply point to the case data. That's not exactly a secret or something to hide unless it involves a wider range of problems.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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No money Bro.Originally posted by Webby
Bank Accounts frozen.
Not allowed to operate/own adult/online business.
Been driving a fucken limo.....no shit..
How would you raise 200k or live life to the fullest? You spend your days scanning family pictures and packing up your shit in boxes just on the off chance your wife/kid are gone when you get out.
You pre-pay non adult domains for 6 years and prepay your e-mail account so hopefully your friends will keep in tough or send forwarding address'.
BTW..There are 4 lawyers working the appeal. I have to stick my wife with that fucken bill (what she can pay).
Bottom line, when I read the post about extreme porn and how people deserve what they get it pisses me off. I have been doing this since 1996 and I read GFY all the time. I have never been compelled to post before today (or after). I also never asked for money its not anyone's problem but mine. I was just trying to spare you guys from the same fate. I had no idea I would be fighting in here as well. You guys have a good night.Comment
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Originally posted by Webby
Amen.
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Mmmm.. another side to the story and needs planning man.Originally posted by Convicted
OK.. Let's put it this way Are there any other offenses than simply a matter of "piercing videos"??
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Originally posted by Convicted
Well... what ever you had to do, I would dip. 4 years is a long time man. You are not a real criminal now, but you very well may become one once you are locked up.
Best of luck to you.Comment
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