HOSTING Guys - at what point would you switch from VPS to DEDICATED hosting?

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  • CunningStunt
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2006
    • 5594
    #1

    HOSTING Guys - at what point would you switch from VPS to DEDICATED hosting?

    I have a site that is starting to struggle - it has over 1000 people on at any one point in time, not massive I know, but at the rapid rate it is expanding, it is just a matter of time before I need a dedicated box, and mirrored servers. The VPS isn't up to it.

    The VPS I'm on now has this spec:

    Quad-Core Xeon
    1280MB DDR2 ECC 667 RAM
    40GB on SAS/SCSI
    10Mbps Unmetered BW

    I need something failsafe as advertisers are on there, so a mirrored setup is preferable.

    I'm all ears.
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    • IllTestYourGirls
      Ah My Balls
      • Feb 2007
      • 14311
      #2
      If you can afford it I would upgrade. but thats just my two cents.

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        • HomerSimpson
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          • Sep 2005
          • 13826
          #3
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            • BigBen
              Confirmed User
              • Nov 2004
              • 2299
              #4
              Originally posted by CunningStunt
              I have a site that is starting to struggle ... The VPS isn't up to it.
              I'd say that's probably the right time. But then again, it could be the software or just need some performance tweaks.

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                • CunningStunt
                  Confirmed User
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 5594
                  #5
                  Yeah, my server guy is having a tweak to see if he can do anything.

                  Even if it's tweakable, if it goes down that's a major no no. I need mirroring I'm pretty certain of that.

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                    • ExLust
                      Confirmed User
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 3223
                      #6
                      If having a dedicated can rescue your website. Go for it.

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                        • Sly
                          Let's do some business!
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 31376
                          #7
                          Is it important?

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                            • directfiesta
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 30135
                              #8
                              Originally posted by CunningStunt
                              Yeah, my server guy is having a tweak to see if he can do anything.

                              Even if it's tweakable, if it goes down that's a major no no. I need mirroring I'm pretty certain of that.
                              You said twice " you need mirroring " ....


                              What are you referring to ? Raid, round robin, ????

                              See if your tech can tweak the httpd file ( max clients, max servers, keep alive, etc ... ). You can double the performance by a proper setup, mainly if you use a db based site.

                              Otherwise upgrade to dedicated, but make sure that it has more ressources that you actually have allocated now
                              I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                              But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                • Iron Fist
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Dec 2006
                                  • 23400
                                  #9
                                  Good luck
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                                    • CunningStunt
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Aug 2006
                                      • 5594
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by directfiesta
                                      You said twice " you need mirroring " ....


                                      What are you referring to ? Raid, round robin, ????

                                      See if your tech can tweak the httpd file ( max clients, max servers, keep alive, etc ... ). You can double the performance by a proper setup, mainly if you use a db based site.

                                      Otherwise upgrade to dedicated, but make sure that it has more ressources that you actually have allocated now
                                      Thanks directfiesta. Nice monkey, I've seen them in Japan near Nagano.

                                      Sorry if I wasn't clear, I mean load balancing, so the site never goes down.

                                      Load balancing was developed to address the problem of overloaded servers. A Server Load Balancer is placed between the client and a group of servers and configured so that, although multiple servers may be on one side of the SLB, they appear to be one very large and powerful server that never goes down.

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                                        • sandman!
                                          Icq: 14420613
                                          • Mar 2001
                                          • 15431
                                          #11
                                          vps's are just a poor man's dedicated i never got the point of them.
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                                            • CunningStunt
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Aug 2006
                                              • 5594
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by sandman!
                                              vps's are just a poor man's dedicated i never got the point of them.
                                              lol. the point is they are a good solution for those with a medium size site. I didn't expect the site to require anything more so soon. now it's critical.

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                                                • baddog
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                  • 107089
                                                  #13
                                                  It sounds like you should have been on a dedicated a while ago.

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                                                    • CunningStunt
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Aug 2006
                                                      • 5594
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by baddog
                                                      It sounds like you should have been on a dedicated a while ago.
                                                      You're a hosting expert no? Is 1000-1500 visitors on at once throughout the day really too much to expect a VPS to cope with?

                                                      It's doing ok, but I think it will fall on its ass with treble the traffic.

                                                      The biggest problem is probably the asp.net and database requirements.

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                                                        • Klen
                                                          • Aug 2006
                                                          • 32235
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by CunningStunt
                                                          You're a hosting expert no? Is 1000-1500 visitors on at once throughout the day really too much to expect a VPS to cope with?

                                                          It's doing ok, but I think it will fall on its ass with treble the traffic.

                                                          The biggest problem is probably the asp.net and database requirements.
                                                          Well honestly if there is no need to bigger bandwith then there is no need for dedicated server unless server is overloaded by other users.You should check cpu usage and load of server,so if its good then there is no need to upgrade to dedicated.

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                                                            • HollywoodChris
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                              • 1282
                                                              #16
                                                              I have a couple of solutions for you if you want to hit me up.

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                                                                • CunningStunt
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                                  • 5594
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by KlenTelaris
                                                                  Well honestly if there is no need to bigger bandwith then there is no need for dedicated server unless server is overloaded by other users.You should check cpu usage and load of server,so if its good then there is no need to upgrade to dedicated.
                                                                  From my tech guy: "seems like the cpu is purring along, ~20%, but physical ram is down to 40mb".

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                                                                    • Gasper
                                                                      #18
                                                                      how much are you paying now and what's your bandwidth usage?

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                                                                        • CunningStunt
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Aug 2006
                                                                          • 5594
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Only $90 per month. That's the wrong package quoted above, that's another account I have. we only actually have 512mb ram which is probably the sticking point.

                                                                          using just over 4gb bandwidth per week at the moment.

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                                                                            • HorseShit
                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                              • Dec 2004
                                                                              • 17513
                                                                              #20
                                                                              I wouldn't bother upgrading yet, curious what company is it with?

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                                                                                • CunningStunt
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                                                  • 5594
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Rackforce. Good guys.

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                                                                                    • baddog
                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                                      • 107089
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by CunningStunt
                                                                                      You're a hosting expert no? Is 1000-1500 visitors on at once throughout the day really too much to expect a VPS to cope with?

                                                                                      It's doing ok, but I think it will fall on its ass with treble the traffic.

                                                                                      The biggest problem is probably the asp.net and database requirements.
                                                                                      We offered VPS for a while. We thought it was a something that would be a great addition, but it wasn't accepted as well as we thought it would be.

                                                                                      Sandman suggested it was the poor mans dedicated. We did not really see it that way. More of a powerful virtual plan.

                                                                                      My experience (as limited as it was) was that a VPS sometimes had more limitations than a virtual because the resources, while your own, were set in stone (ie: inodes).

                                                                                      Granted, resources can be adjusted up on a VPS, but I think that is more like the upsell to a VPS plan. Kind of like a hosting company that gets you in with cheap rates only to kill you on the bandwidth overages.

                                                                                      That being said, I can see how 1000 - 1500 visitors at one time is probably going to be too much for your standard VPS plan, which is why I suggested you were ready for a dedicated.

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                                                                                        • cgu
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                                          • 188
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          You just need to get with a good hosting company that can fix your problem, but forget about success on a VPS. If any person on there does something dumb you're paying for it, too. Mojohost.com has always been good to me.
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                                                                                            • CunningStunt
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Aug 2006
                                                                                              • 5594
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Thanks for the input everyone. We're going to go dedicated and get a load more ram for good measure.

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                                                                                                • baddog
                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                                                  • 107089
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by CunningStunt
                                                                                                  Thanks for the input everyone. We're going to go dedicated and get a load more ram for good measure.
                                                                                                  Depending on your site, a better processor might be more valuable [unless you are sticking with the quad].

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                                                                                                    • SpeakEasy
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                                                                      • 2681
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by sandman!
                                                                                                      vps's are just a poor man's dedicated i never got the point of them.
                                                                                                      Actually VPS is just a made up bunch of horse shit. It's a virtual plain and simple. Virtual, shared, vps or whatever you want to call them are all the same. It's either dedicated or it's not.
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                                                                                                        • fatfoo
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                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                                          • 27763
                                                                                                          #27
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                                                                                                            • bbm
                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                              • Oct 2005
                                                                                                              • 3710
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Dedicated is better

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                                                                                                                • baddog
                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                  • 107089
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by SpeakEasy
                                                                                                                  Actually VPS is just a made up bunch of horse shit. It's a virtual plain and simple. Virtual, shared, vps or whatever you want to call them are all the same. It's either dedicated or it's not.
                                                                                                                  Way to show you don't know the difference.

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                                                                                                                    • directfiesta
                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                      • 30135
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                      Way to show you don't know the difference.
                                                                                                                      I thought the same.

                                                                                                                      After all, the VPS ressources are fully dedicated to the user , without influence by the other vps on the box.

                                                                                                                      Or is this wrong ( I do not offer nor plan to offer that ).
                                                                                                                      I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                      But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                        • baddog
                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                          • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                          • 107089
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                                                                                          I thought the same.

                                                                                                                          After all, the VPS ressources are fully dedicated to the user , without influence by the other vps on the box.

                                                                                                                          Or is this wrong ( I do not offer nor plan to offer that ).
                                                                                                                          VPS is like taking the hdd from your pc and partitioning it out, so each user gets their own partition, whereas virtual . . . well, you know.

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                                                                                                                            • TidalWave
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Sep 2007
                                                                                                                              • 2706
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Since you have a tech already, getting a dedicated is not far off from your VPS pricing. You can actually get a dedicated server that will be more powerful than your VPS for the same price, or just a small bit more ($20-$50~)... it'll be unmanaged, but it sounds like you have a tech. Get cPanel+tech and you are good to go for about $120/month total with a new dual core server.
                                                                                                                              www.SwiftNode.com

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                                                                                                                                • Gasper
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  I just got a promo from theplanet.com

                                                                                                                                  https://www.theplanet.com/servers/co...es=17&pc=dx24s

                                                                                                                                  Dual Xeon 2.4
                                                                                                                                  1 GB Ram
                                                                                                                                  2x 73 GB SCI discs
                                                                                                                                  1500 GB data transfer per month

                                                                                                                                  For 115$ (cpanel +25$ /month)

                                                                                                                                  I'm pretty happy with them for over 4 years now

                                                                                                                                  just my 2 cents

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                                                                                                                                    • TidalWave
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2007
                                                                                                                                      • 2706
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Thats a good deal, but pretty old CPU's. The newer dual core CPU's out perform the older Xeons.

                                                                                                                                      An example (yes, shameless) is one of our dual cores:

                                                                                                                                      Intel E2180 Dual Core
                                                                                                                                      1GB DDR2-667 RAM
                                                                                                                                      250GB SATA-2 16MEG CACHE
                                                                                                                                      1U Supermicro Server
                                                                                                                                      $89/month + $28/month for cPanel

                                                                                                                                      This dual core would have more horsepower than that older Xeon, unless for some reason you had a script that was very heavy on disk access.

                                                                                                                                      or if you want to get right near that same price level, you can get something that is incredibly more powerful:

                                                                                                                                      Intel C2Q Q9300 Quadcore, 1333Mhz FSB, 45nm
                                                                                                                                      2GB DDR2-667 RAM
                                                                                                                                      250GB SATA-2 16MEG CACHE
                                                                                                                                      1U Supermicro Server
                                                                                                                                      $129/month

                                                                                                                                      ^^ That is an amazing price though, and not even a special
                                                                                                                                      Last edited by TidalWave; 09-05-2008, 11:21 PM.
                                                                                                                                      www.SwiftNode.com

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                                                                                                                                        • Gasper
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          great deals TidalWave. How much bandiwdth comes with that?

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                                                                                                                                            • TidalWave
                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                              • Sep 2007
                                                                                                                                              • 2706
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Hey Gasper,
                                                                                                                                              Heres the feature list on both of those:

                                                                                                                                              2000GB Monthly Transfer
                                                                                                                                              100Mbps PUBLIC Network Port
                                                                                                                                              10Mbps PRIVATE Network Port
                                                                                                                                              Private VLAN
                                                                                                                                              /29 IP Allocation
                                                                                                                                              Remote Reboot Port
                                                                                                                                              www.SwiftNode.com

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                                                                                                                                                • CunningStunt
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                                                  • 5594
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Tidalwave, I need it to handle asp.net - are there winblows servers with that spec?

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