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your talking about a one time BJ we give you a service for a full month 30 days of BJ'sOriginally posted by Love Sex
still save alot in the long run joining a site
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Does GUBA own VideoBox? that might answer why they are so cheap?Originally posted by rankscomA better comparison would be something like online music services (Rhapsody, Yahoo Music, etc) which I believe charge about $14.95/mo for unlimited DRM downloads. Other good comparisons would be movie streaming services like Vongo (9.95) or unlimited licensed game downloads like GameTap (14.95). To be honest, I've seen very few pay-sites that can beat those values. Porn cost much less to produce as well. In fact, content should result in less than 20% of a pay-sites overhead.
One can argue both sides... but ultimately our industry has to be realistic on where it stands in value. Higher prices worked well in the past when users had little resources to help find quality sites at bargain prices (Videobox.com, 9.95). In the next few years, such resources (review sites, etc) in our industry will drive prices down (not up) as users get more informed and sites need to slash prices to compete.
In the end, it should result in better sites (at better values) and users signing up to more sites per month. TGP's will most likely suffer as they deal with lower and lower conversions, but that's not necessarily a bad thing since less free porn should increase the quantity of signups.
Just my 2 cents!
can someone answer this question?
How many rating sites are out there now.. If tgp's stop converting they will just switch to another model like review sites.. then what? your pumping a cheaper product because you feel you get more sales out of it..
I have talked to many owners of sites and a lower monthly didnt mean a longer retention because we have all tried the $10 a month deal
I do agree better products are being produced now so prices should be going up not down
How much does a video cost these days..Comment
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I totally agree and most of the time its an Impluse buy they see a girl they like to spank to and pay and everyone has a Credit card in there back pocket. which is why we do so well.Originally posted by AmateurFlixComment
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We are talking instant gratification so an online video store isn't a fair comparison. Walk into a brick and mortar video store where the majority of DVD's are sold then tell me how much that new release actually costs. It definitely isn't $15 or even $25.Originally posted by rankscomI've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
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Originally posted by Nicky
especially in content . . my cost have gone up as much as %100 on some stuff . . used to cost $27 to fill the car now it's $60 . . think a 70-80% raise in the price of content would be about right?
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Wadup RV!Originally posted by RogerVDoes GUBA own VideoBox? that might answer why they are so cheap?
can someone answer this question?
How many rating sites are out there now.. If tgp's stop converting they will just switch to another model like review sites.. then what? your pumping a cheaper product because you feel you get more sales out of it..
I have talked to many owners of sites and a lower monthly didnt mean a longer retention because we have all tried the $10 a month deal
I do agree better products are being produced now so prices should be going up not down
How much does a video cost these days..
Nope, GUBA doesn't own Videobox. Totally separate companies. There is a tie-in with one of the partners, but that's a non-issue here. All content on Videobox is fully licensed, over 1000 downloadable DVDs.
Review sites are popping up left and right, I'd say there's over 100 review sites of decent quality (fairly honest), and more than 40 of good quality. You'd see many more if it was easier to start one.
Point is that honest review sites will continue to push sites of better value (if they're honest). Sites are already building high quality and inexpensive pricing models to rank high with review sites. This will increase dramatically over the next 2-3 years. The TGP/MGP/Free model should never die, but it will be harder to make money.
Not all sites that have a "low cost" model fail. In fact, I know plenty that are succeeding quite well. Beyond just price, it still takes a solid product to garnish the big rewards from review traffic. In the end, solid sites and competitive pricing is where our industry is headed.MyPorn.com - Porn's most anticipated free site of tomorrow. Coming Q4, 2015.Comment
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Too much free stuff to other cheaper paysites to compete with. Also not everything has gone up in price. Bandwidth prices have been falling for years now.Comment
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i agree with you.Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
have you ever noticed that conversations like this never include that word?
"value"
most porn sites arent worth the $39.95 they are charging and everyone can only think "how can we fuck them over for more $.Comment
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Yep its like trying to sell a Gym membership to your premium guy with 100's of free (cheap not complete) gyms around the area. It means you can only charge so much.Originally posted by BoogieCFZ
Hence why we all sell trials that are so cheap to entice customers then bill them as best we can
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You need to set up a Cartel. The problem is that everybody is willing to slit eachothers throats for a nickel.Originally posted by RogerV
It has gone from good sales & advertising to discount shopping."If you can take advantage of a situation in some way, it's your duty as an American to do it." - C. Montgomery BurnsComment
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What upOriginally posted by rankscomWadup RV!
Nope, GUBA doesn't own Videobox. Totally separate companies. There is a tie-in with one of the partners, but that's a non-issue here. All content on Videobox is fully licensed, over 1000 downloadable DVDs.
Review sites are popping up left and right, I'd say there's over 100 review sites of decent quality (fairly honest), and more than 40 of good quality. You'd see many more if it was easier to start one.
Point is that honest review sites will continue to push sites of better value (if they're honest). Sites are already building high quality and inexpensive pricing models to rank high with review sites. This will increase dramatically over the next 2-3 years. The TGP/MGP/Free model should never die, but it will be harder to make money.
Not all sites that have a "low cost" model fail. In fact, I know plenty that are succeeding quite well. Beyond just price, it still takes a solid product to garnish the big rewards from review traffic. In the end, solid sites and competitive pricing is where our industry is headed.
I'll be honest I love the review sites even if I dont get a good review they still convert great and same goes for the TGP's and MGP's, infact I have a few myself. I just think we should be raising prices not cutting them how much lower can we go. sure we can all offer $10.00 but then what? 5.99
we need to clean shit up and raise prices
There should be a show for just owners no reps. so we can all come together and make things happen to increase all our revenues..
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a lot of free porn is killing industry
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welcome to an inelastic industry.Originally posted by nestleComment
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I think you're suggesting price fixing? That's the only way your plan would work. Illegal from what I recall.Originally posted by RogerVWhat up
I'll be honest I love the review sites even if I dont get a good review they still convert great and same goes for the TGP's and MGP's, infact I have a few myself. I just think we should be raising prices not cutting them how much lower can we go. sure we can all offer $10.00 but then what? 5.99
we need to clean shit up and raise prices
There should be a show for just owners no reps. so we can all come together and make things happen to increase all our revenues..
Wait, yep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing
To each his own of course. Roger, we disagree on pricing, but I will agree that you're doin a lot of things right! So I congratulate you on that my friend.
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I am sorry, but I think there is far too much money in porn. People just dont buy one membership, they buy loads. You could be selling t shirts with a mark up of $5 and only be able to sell a few a day.
Look at the gyms overheads!!! they have to have a large building, parking, equipment is not cheap, showers. Trust me porn has it lucky.Comment
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We've raised our prices a couple times. It din't hurt conversions at all.Originally posted by RogerV
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funny its illegal since most industries are a monopoly. I have only one cable company I can choose from in my location. or I can do satellite guess what they are the same price either way..Originally posted by rankscomI think you're suggesting price fixing? That's the only way your plan would work. Illegal from what I recall.
Wait, yep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing
To each his own of course. Roger, we disagree on pricing, but I will agree that you're doin a lot of things right! So I congratulate you on that my friend.
Thanks for the props we cant always see eye to eye. wait till you see the new footage we shot should all be added this month. also working on some new sites I know you will like
crazy its illegal how do the gas stations get away with it?Comment
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so have I and it didnt hurt at all. it even retains the same to be honest..Originally posted by xxxjayWe've raised our prices a couple times. It din't hurt conversions at all.
but if we started to clean things up like censor pink or hardcore I bet everyone will make 50% more. free sites are affraid because they feel they will lose surfers this is why it needs to be done as an industry whole.
I know how we all hate rules but damn cant everyone see whats happening. we have a great product and we give everyhting away free, damn drug dealers arnt this dumbLast edited by RogerV; 06-14-2006, 07:16 PM.Comment
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Any business analyst will say the same thing. We really do have the number 1 product in the world yet we are handling it like we are selling peas and carrots. Respect the product folks!Originally posted by RogerVI've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
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Originally posted by Pornwolf
Respect the Product
nice one
Its a fuckin shame the Gov will have to step in and not just in the US
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A few thoughts I too pay $100 a month for cable and there is shit on TV , the same movies over and over. If I ran my business like the cable company I would be out of business. The only reason they do well, is because they own a area and you have no options. As far as customer service have you tired to call the cable company or your cell phone company they suck. Some costs have gone down(hosting) but other costs go up, if I have to go to FL to shoot talent. Its almost $3 a gal for gas it costs me alot more to do the shoot. You cant go with music as a example because online is only one of the ways that industry makes money off its content. I cant go do a world tour or play a week in Vegas, your not going to see ford license my content for a new commercial. So many consumers have got fucked by sites that charged higher but gave alot less, they are gun shy. You buy a dvd for 20 bucks you get 2 hours of porn, you join one of my sites you get access to everything I have done for 6 yrs. I agree prices should go up but too many wont do that.Last edited by tony286; 06-14-2006, 07:36 PM.Comment
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you are so fucking rightOriginally posted by PornwolfComment
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Originally posted by MaddCaz
Yup, in some businesses his kneecaps would be broken for that as well.I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
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like the video side of the bizOriginally posted by Pornwolf
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Heh heh, I think we should adopt thier "business sensibilities" if you know what I mean.Originally posted by RogerVlike the video side of the bizI've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
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Lets all get togethor, unite and all raise our prices like a team lolGot Dating Traffic?
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i dont think freesite ppl are at all scared of losing surfers by going softcore - but whats their incentive to go softcore when all their galleries in archives / rotators are hardcore as is. surfers aren't stupid, if its there, they'll find the porn they want to find.Comment
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This thread really got me thinking. Last night at midnight I raised the prices on all my sites from $29.95 to $39.95. First price hike since 1998. I still think with all exclusive content we offer $49.95 would be more like it, but $10 bucks seems like a good jump for now. So far sales are steady, same conversions as yesterday And btw, affiliates of my program http://afdollars.com, you're all getting 5 more bucks per signup thanks to the hike, w00t!
Now its time for you all to do the same, lol
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as has been stated in this thread , shit in our day to day lives in rising in price , petrol is rising , insurance , medical, interest rates , groceries,bills , etc etc
here in australian we just had a major change to our pay rates
with all the rises in day to day living , you need to be careful on how much you raise your prices , raise it to high and people will look at their wallet then move on , less free cash to play with
at the end of the day , this is a business , we are all competition , some might form alliances with other companies but most are competing against each other for the dollarLast edited by biftek; 06-16-2006, 05:51 AM.Comment
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Wow, that's quite a hikeOriginally posted by Joey B. LoThis thread really got me thinking. Last night at midnight I raised the prices on all my sites from $29.95 to $39.95. First price hike since 1998. I still think with all exclusive content we offer $49.95 would be more like it, but $10 bucks seems like a good jump for now. So far sales are steady, same conversions as yesterday And btw, affiliates of my program http://afdollars.com, you're all getting 5 more bucks per signup thanks to the hike, w00t!
Now its time for you all to do the same, lol
Conversions are really the same eh? Interesting... If I had paysites I'd be too scared, cool that it's working out for you...Comment
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It's quite strange how people don't seem to see your posts. The 2 you've made here are the only 2 posts in this thread with insight and a realistic view of not only the subject at hand but also what the future will bring.Originally posted by TheDoc
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got to love doc, always breaks it down into numbersOriginally posted by TheDocComment
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From my experiences if you raise pricing too severly, your sales drop off and it leaves you in a catch 22 situation. Increasing the price in many instances opens up the free porn market just my
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WTG!!!Originally posted by Joey B. LoThis thread really got me thinking. Last night at midnight I raised the prices on all my sites from $29.95 to $39.95. First price hike since 1998. I still think with all exclusive content we offer $49.95 would be more like it, but $10 bucks seems like a good jump for now. So far sales are steady, same conversions as yesterday And btw, affiliates of my program http://afdollars.com, you're all getting 5 more bucks per signup thanks to the hike, w00t!
Now its time for you all to do the same, lol
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I'm not very familiar with hardcore porn... but i know in the softcore solo girl/nn market EVERYONE regulates what people can promote with and what they give away for free on their tours. That to me is what will make you more money, limiting the free porn. For example my topless site doesn't show nipples on any free picture that we give to affiliates (sure the nude pics are out there anyways because of things like kazaa and all those forums with people who post free pics). Personally I would never join a website if it gave away a 4 minute clip video on the main page and pussy pictures gallore... it only takes me 3 minutes max to get off and everything I need is right there in front of me for free! But add a few photoshop stars over the pussy and it would definitely encourage me to join and see the full product.
Sure, increase prices, but make sure you have a quality product to go along with it too. Maybe rebills aren't as important in hardcore but I think I would be poor if it werent for rebills.Comment
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as cost of bandwidth, storage, production come down the price of porn should also get cheaper. Use porn to get them in the door and sell them something else.Comment
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Its very difficult to move on when you have a hard onOriginally posted by biftek its all an impulse buy they could care less if its $10 or $100 if you have the goods that get them off the wallets jumps out
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I've had my monthly at $34.99 for almost 2 years now. Actually saw a better conversion rate when I raised it. On my sologirl site (weekly live webcam) the rebills are insane. I wish everyone would raise their prices to the $35 I'm charging now, so I could try $40.NICHE MONEY >> Ass Worship • Panties • Solo Teen • Pantyhose
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Go open up sites in a micro fetish/niche market, captalise & set your own pricing points without relying on competition to dictate. Unlike other popular markets and cash in.
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I have done that with Bikini Scam its all exclusive content as well.Originally posted by nekromGo open up sites in a micro fetish/niche market, captalise & set your own pricing points without relying on competition to dictate. Unlike other popular markets and cash in.
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It does great but I just dont think Micro Niche is for me.. I have done it before and it didnt do wellComment
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It seems to me that porn has become too ?accepted? and there are too many girls that now don?t have a problem w/ just having cybersex or ?hooking? up w/ people from sites, such as myspace. You guys are always saying how easy it is to get laid on myspace lately. I bet SexSearch and AFF probably don?t think they need to lower their prices and I?m sure their membership base is still growing. Why join a membership site for $40, when you can look at content, talk to someone, and maybe even get to fuck them for that evening?[email protected]
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Yeah, baby! Let me turn my webcam on for you.Originally posted by RogerV You don't even know how many guys has hit me up on IM showing me their dicks. It's pretty insane...
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Its hard to believe guys even pay for it, with the millions of free pics and videos you can readily download, but they still do and those kinds of dedicated consumers will pay more for it.
I have one customer that spends from $500 to over $1500 a month like clockwork for his favorite live webcam girl. Guys like that will easily pay more.Last edited by KRL; 06-20-2006, 02:18 PM.
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Many people here can't grasp the concept that someone who pays for porn, (a "customer"Originally posted by KRL ) likely has current memberships with 2 or 3 other sites. They also keep up on their 5-10 favorite sites, checking them regularly for updates. Customers are not stupid even though they are treated like it.
-How differently would you treat your members if they had to come to your office to purchase their membership??
We have raised and lowered our prices a few times and there were no drastic effects, but we have good content, which is hard to find these days...
If your site and content are worth the money, the customer will pay the price, probably double or more than what you are charging now. Customers like being able to log-on and know where they are going and that quality content is waiting for them when they get there. Nothing worse than wanting to wack-it and not being able to find good material
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I totally agree Exclusive good content helpsOriginally posted by ProjectNakedMany people here can't grasp the concept that someone who pays for porn, (a "customer" ) likely has current memberships with 2 or 3 other sites. They also keep up on their 5-10 favorite sites, checking them regularly for updates. Customers are not stupid even though they are treated like it.
-How differently would you treat your members if they had to come to your office to purchase their membership??
We have raised and lowered our prices a few times and there were no drastic effects, but we have good content, which is hard to find these days...
If your site and content are worth the money, the customer will pay the price, probably double or more than what you are charging now. Customers like being able to log-on and know where they are going and that quality content is waiting for them when they get there. Nothing worse than wanting to wack-it and not being able to find good materialComment
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Because our industry sucks and if everyone were to band together to raise the price, there would be the fuck nuts that would cut the price even lower just to fuck us over and get the sale.
plus, it is illegal for us to get together and set prices.Comment
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