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  • edgeprod
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    #51
    Originally posted by GatorB
    Fuck you asshole. Don't you dare say I negatively affect our troops. It's called the 1st admendment. And my grandfather fought on the beaches of Normandy in WWII so you can be an asshole on the internet and insult me. You're welcome. Now I hope you die and I mean that.
    Boo fucking hoo.

    You're crying about someone having some dirty underwear on their head, like it's the end of the world, then you say "I hope you die and I mean that" to someone because of what they said on a message board?

    My god, get a grip, or a least get some better medication.

    I'm off to masturbate to pictures of Juicy D. Links.

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      • AmateurFlix
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        #52
        Originally posted by GatorB
        Fuck you asshole. Don't you dare say I negatively affect our troops. It's called the 1st admendment.
        Yes and it gives you the right to babble about such items that may have negative consequences for those in combat, which you are doing.

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          • GatorB
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            • Oct 2001
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            #53
            Originally posted by AmateurFlix
            Yes and it gives you the right to babble about such items that may have negative consequences for those in combat, which you are doing.
            Yes I'm so sure that Iraqi insurgents are reading GFY and using my posts as inspiration.

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              • vvq
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                #54
                What exactly does this have to do with George Bush's religious beliefs? That incident wouldn't be acceptable if we had an Atheist president.

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                  • AmateurFlix
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                    #55
                    Originally posted by GatorB
                    Yes I'm so sure that Iraqi insurgents are reading GFY and using my posts as inspiration.
                    well not you specifically and I was wrong to say that

                    it's these stories though that circulate in the press forever and end up causing policy changes that interfere with normal activities of the troops.

                    a prime example was our troops using barking dogs to frighten prisoners. they didn't need to let the dogs bite anyone. all it required was to let fido sit there and bark and the enemy would give away valuable information. it didn't need to physically harm them in any way, they were just scared for some reason to a much greater degree than westerners would be. it was a fucking wet dream for the USA.

                    now instead of being able to use this advantage, they are forbidden. yet no one was harmed from that act to begin with.

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                      • Mr. Soul
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                        #56
                        Originally posted by AmateurFlix
                        putting underwear on their heads isn't a war crime. it's juvenile behaviour that may have gotten valuable information from the enemy without causing them any real harm. quit trying to be dramatic.


                        but that's not what these photos are about, are they? these photos ARE about underwear on the head and they show nothing more.

                        however everytime someone shows this college frat party gone awry they try to claim it's the same as mutilating and torturing people, when that is something much worse than the poor soldiers depicted here deserve to be associated with.

                        if someone wishes to address that issue then they should be showing pictures of such activities, not attempting to confuse it with these pranks

                        Don't you understand, these are the pictures we have. The pictures of rapes and murders have not yet been made public. You're a sick fuck for trying to defend tourture.

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                          • Mr. Soul
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                            #57
                            Originally posted by edgeprod
                            If our soldiers start using carbombs to kill innocents, and engage in terrorism, then it's a different story. Ask me then.
                            What's the difference between expensive bombs and car bombs? Our bombs have killed way more innocent people in Iraq than car bombs have.


                            Originally posted by edgeprod
                            Actually, what negatively impacts our troops is thinking like yours, threads like yours, and media stories by people like you. You and people like you are responsible for many U.S. deaths, by emboldening the enemy.
                            lmfao. And this kid seriously tried to tell us he is a member of MENSA. Now that's comedy.

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                              • AmateurFlix
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                                #58
                                Originally posted by Mr. Soul
                                Don't you understand, these are the pictures we have. The pictures of rapes and murders have not yet been made public. You're a sick fuck for trying to defend tourture.
                                yes I understand that there are no pictures available of the alleged rapes and murders however that is not what was being discussed or photographed here.

                                there is nothing wrong with what has been shown in these photos, I commend them for their fine work and hope they continue to do more of it. if you believe that makes me a 'sick fuck' then I am completely fine with that.

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                                  • Mr. Soul
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                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by AmateurFlix
                                    yes I understand that there are no pictures available of the alleged rapes and murders however that is not what was being discussed or photographed here.

                                    there is nothing wrong with what has been shown in these photos, I commend them for their fine work and hope they continue to do more of it. if you believe that makes me a 'sick fuck' then I am completely fine with that.
                                    It's really terrifying that there are people out there who think like that. I can't understand how a rational person could endorse that kind of treatment of other human beings. Makes my skin crawl.

                                    Not to mention the fact that this or any other kind of torture does not produce productive intelligence. Historically all torture has produced are false confessions. All it's doing is breeding a generation of Iraqi's who want to kill Americans.

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                                      • AmateurFlix
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                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by Mr. Soul
                                        It's really terrifying that there are people out there who think like that. I can't understand how a rational person could endorse that kind of treatment of other human beings. Makes my skin crawl.
                                        did you get alot of wedgies when you were in school?

                                        because this is what we're talking about here, underwear on the head. slightly less traumatic than an atomic wedgie.

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                                          • Mr. Soul
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                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by AmateurFlix
                                            did you get alot of wedgies when you were in school?

                                            because this is what we're talking about here, underwear on the head. slightly less traumatic than an atomic wedgie.

                                            Are you intentionally trying to miss the point?

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                                              • AmateurFlix
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                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by Mr. Soul
                                                Are you intentionally trying to miss the point?
                                                no I'm not. you are complaining about them receiving treatment milder than an atomic wedgie

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                                                  • stickyfingerz
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                                                    #63
                                                    This thread IS

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                                                      • Spud
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                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by AmateurFlix
                                                        no I'm not. you are complaining about them receiving treatment milder than an atomic wedgie
                                                        I get the feeling that you don't know anything about this topic other than the pictures that I posted... am I correct?

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                                                          • AmateurFlix
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                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by Spud
                                                            I get the feeling that you don't know anything about this topic other than the pictures that I posted... am I correct?
                                                            no, you are not. I simply commend those involved for a job well done.

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                                                              • Spud
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                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
                                                                This thread IS

                                                                thank god you added that great lame gif to it.:P go get a better one or post some pics to keep the thread fresh

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                                                                  • Spud
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                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by AmateurFlix
                                                                    did you get alot of wedgies when you were in school?

                                                                    because this is what we're talking about here, underwear on the head. slightly less traumatic than an atomic wedgie.
                                                                    Originally posted by AmateurFlix
                                                                    no, you are not. I simply commend those involved for a job well done.
                                                                    I guess I just don't see the support in you posts. They come across as if you're comparing Abu Ghraib with your frat or your grade school memories. I don't think anyone at any point has said anything contrary to supporting our troops. You do understand that the people that got in trouble, didn't get in trouble for torture, they got in trouble for taking pictures and having those pics go public. But I want to thank you for posting and keeping the thread near the top. At least it got a Lame award.

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                                                                      • minusonebit
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                                                                        #68
                                                                        Best Thread of the Day Award!

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                                                                          • BigCashCrew
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                                                                            #69
                                                                            Spud, are you looking at gay porn again? jk

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                                                                              • Biscuit4u
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                                                                                #70
                                                                                Torchure is cutting an innocent man's fingers off one by one. Your pics are just prisoners getting teased, and if our troops are messing with the prisoners like that then they probably deserve it... Who's side are you on anyways, cause if you want to take up for our troops (America's) enemys then carry your ass over there.

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                                                                                  • Spud
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                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by Biscuit4u
                                                                                    Torchure is cutting an innocent man's fingers off one by one. Your pics are just prisoners getting teased, and if our troops are messing with the prisoners like that then they probably deserve it... Who's side are you on anyways, cause if you want to take up for our troops (America's) enemys then carry your ass over there.
                                                                                    Ummm... You're either drunk, foreign or 12... Now here on GFY making posts while drunk and foreign are acceptable but not if you're 12. Which one is it? If you cut off someone finger and ask them a question, do you really think they wouldn't give you the answer you want to hear. Are you that fucking dumb? Ask yourself, are they torturing for torture sake or are they trying to get correct information that might lead them to capturing someone higher up in the ranks. Even using psychological torture such as sensory depravation does not lead to correct intelligence according to leading psychologists who have written on this matter.

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                                                                                      • Spud
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                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by minusonebit
                                                                                        Best Thread of the Day Award!
                                                                                        you are sooo joking :P but thaks for the giggle

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                                                                                          • Spud
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                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by BigCashCrew
                                                                                            Spud, are you looking at gay porn again? jk
                                                                                            I was thinking that same thing. I wonder if the Abu Ghraib photos are being used on any fetish sites? I really wouldn't doubt it

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                                                                                              • Sexxxy Sites
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                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by Spud
                                                                                                I guess I just don't see the support in you posts. They come across as if you're comparing Abu Ghraib with your frat or your grade school memories. I don't think anyone at any point has said anything contrary to supporting our troops. You do understand that the people that got in trouble, didn't get in trouble for torture, they got in trouble for taking pictures and having those pics go public. But I want to thank you for posting and keeping the thread near the top. At least it got a Lame award.
                                                                                                You are wrong. They people involved received a Courts Martial for multiple charges. All of them except for one (I think) plead guilty to the charges. The one exception was the ring leader (he was a former prison guard in civilian life and had been in trouble for his actions as a civilian guard). None of this had anything to do with interrogations as was claimed by the ring leader. He could not present one iota of evidence at his Courts Martial to support this claim. It was the acts of a sadistic guard (who had been a sadistic gaurd in civilian life), acting on his own, that got some idiots to go along with these acts. As one of those charged stated, it was fun and games. End of story.

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                                                                                                  • Sexxxy Sites
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                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Sexxxy Sites
                                                                                                    You are wrong. They people involved received a Courts Martial for multiple charges. All of them except for one (I think) plead guilty to the charges. The one exception was the ring leader (he was a former prison guard in civilian life and had been in trouble for his actions as a civilian guard). None of this had anything to do with interrogations as was claimed by the ring leader. He could not present one iota of evidence at his Courts Martial to support this claim. It was the acts of a sadistic guard (who had been a sadistic gaurd in civilian life), acting on his own, that got some idiots to go along with these acts. As one of those charged stated, it was fun and games. End of story.
                                                                                                    BTW, these pictures reflect humilitation, not torture.

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                                                                                                      • scottybuzz
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                                                                                                        oooo who gives a fuck, you guys have no real say in the real world, except every election in which you made your choice clearly
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                                                                                                          • AmateurFlix
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                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Oh no, someone is about to be tortured!



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                                                                                                              • Miss Lissa
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                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                If you're going to post those pics, you shoud post pics and video of what they have done to our soldiers and our civillians over there...

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                                                                                                                  • edgeprod
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                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Mr. Soul
                                                                                                                    lmfao. And this kid seriously tried to tell us he is a member of MENSA. Now that's comedy.
                                                                                                                    You asked me if I was. I happened to be.

                                                                                                                    Want a tissue so you can cry?

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                                                                                                                      • edgeprod
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                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by AmateurFlix
                                                                                                                        Oh no, someone is about to be tortured!
                                                                                                                        That is one of the funniest posts EVER.

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                                                                                                                          • Linkster
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                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Miss Lissa
                                                                                                                            If you're going to post those pics, you shoud post pics and video of what they have done to our soldiers and our civillians over there...
                                                                                                                            You cant in the USA - you get thrown in jail if you post those kinds of pics - its against the law of God Bush
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                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Linkster
                                                                                                                                You cant in the USA - you get thrown in jail if you post those kinds of pics - its against the law of God Bush
                                                                                                                                Link to the specific law you are referring to please?

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                                                                                                                                  • Miss Lissa
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                                                                                                                                    Those pictures and videos are all over the internet...

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                                                                                                                                      • bucketoffuck
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                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by AmateurFlix
                                                                                                                                        one picture of some type of devices not being used

                                                                                                                                        a bunch of pictures of naked people indoors. boohoo

                                                                                                                                        a prisoner with underwear on his head. how terrible. LOL

                                                                                                                                        a bunch of naked people posed in humiliating positions. humiliating? of course. torture? LOL



                                                                                                                                        some girl pointing at a guy's cock. if that's torture almost everyone in this industry is in trouble. except for the fact that they had the courtesy to place hoods over the 'victims' head, so that they aren't personally identifiable. how terrible

                                                                                                                                        the only photo depicting any type of physical harm having been done shows a man with a leg wound which has been bandaged. what it doesn't show is whether that wound was inflicted in battle or after his capture.
                                                                                                                                        I don't want to get into a huge political debate, as I have much work to do... but....

                                                                                                                                        Perhaps you should look more closely at the images or read up on the issue. But I guess you could say these look like pictures of fraternety hazings.

                                                                                                                                        a man standing on a box wearing a hood who was in no real danger.
                                                                                                                                        The man on the box, if you look at the image, is attached to electrical wires.

                                                                                                                                        the only photo depicting any type of physical harm having been done shows a man with a leg wound which has been bandaged. what it doesn't show is whether that wound was inflicted in battle or after his capture.
                                                                                                                                        What is all that fresh blood on the floor?

                                                                                                                                        a bunch of naked people posed in humiliating positions. humiliating? of course. torture? LOL
                                                                                                                                        Do you have any idea how sexually repressed these people are?

                                                                                                                                        And these are just the pictures that made it into circulation. I wouldn't be so quick to make excuses for a government that specializes in the art of coverup.
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                                                                                                                                          • AmateurFlix
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                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by bucketoffuck
                                                                                                                                            Perhaps you should ... read up on the issue.
                                                                                                                                            The man on the box, if you look at the image, is attached to electrical wires.
                                                                                                                                            you should take your own advice of reading up on the issue. those wires were not charged, the man was in no danger. they merely told him he was in danger of electrocution, when in reality they had assured his safety.

                                                                                                                                            What is all that fresh blood on the floor?
                                                                                                                                            from his bandaged leg wound obviously. now whether he was injured after his capture or before it IN A WAR ZONE, no one knows

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                                                                                                                                              • bucketoffuck
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                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                                                                                                oooo who gives a fuck, you guys have no real say in the real world, except every election in which you made your choice clearly
                                                                                                                                                hmm...

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                                                                                                                                                  • bucketoffuck
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                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by AmateurFlix
                                                                                                                                                    when in reality they had assured his safety.
                                                                                                                                                    Really, you can verify this?

                                                                                                                                                    from his bandaged leg wound obviously. now whether he was injured after his capture or before it IN A WAR ZONE, no one knows
                                                                                                                                                    Yeah, no one knows. If I were to venture a guess, however.
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                                                                                                                                                      • stickyfingerz
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                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by bucketoffuck
                                                                                                                                                        hmm...

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                                                                                                                                                        and then there is this
                                                                                                                                                        commondreams.org/views06/0601-34.htm

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                                                                                                                                                          • bucketoffuck
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                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Spud
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                                                                                                                                                              • pornguy
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                                                                                                                                                                What the US did and is doing to those guys is a far cry from torture. Imagine being alive during about 30% of the removal of your head with a steak knife.
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Mr. Soul
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                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by edgeprod
                                                                                                                                                                    You asked me if I was. I happened to be.

                                                                                                                                                                    Want a tissue so you can cry?

                                                                                                                                                                    I said MENSA, not NAMBLA.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • bucketoffuck
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                                                                                                                                                                        Well, whatever. I mean, If you guys want to keep making excuses for whatever Bush does or allows to happen, go ahead. I personally believe we should expect a little more from the higest office in the United States government. This is only 1 of at least 100 issues on which people have been deceived or fucked over by this administration. I bet if you asked him nicely, GW would let you suck his dick.
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                                                                                                                                                                          • darnit
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                                                                                                                                                                            Just by coincidence I watched a Frontline special about "the Torture Question" on PBS a couple nights ago. It was very well produced and highly informative.

                                                                                                                                                                            For those wish to have a deeper appreciation for the issue from a myriad of perspectives I highly recommend watching it.

                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/view/

                                                                                                                                                                            .... or you could just piss all over each other on the board with half baked information regarding a subject of which many apparently have only cursory knowledge.

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                                                                                                                                                                              • edgeprod
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                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Mr. Soul
                                                                                                                                                                                I said MENSA, not NAMBLA.
                                                                                                                                                                                Ewwwwww. Dude, that's just ... wow.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • bucketoffuck
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by darnit
                                                                                                                                                                                    Just by coincidence I watched a Frontline special about "the Torture Question" on PBS a couple nights ago. It was very well produced and highly informative.

                                                                                                                                                                                    For those wish to have a deeper appreciation for the issue from a myriad of perspectives I highly recommend watching it.



                                                                                                                                                                                    .... or you could just piss all over each other on the board with half baked information regarding a subject of which many apparently have only cursory knowledge.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Good point.
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