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Affiliates who steal pics and sponsors who don't care

10-27-2001, 02:15 PM

I have a dilemma. I have been trying to get a hold of our friends at ARS about their partners stealing our pictures to promote their sites.

Here is an example http://teen.bestsexhost.net/hotteen4/teen4150.htm

It is on their host, and pushing their site. However, even with our best attempts, ARS does not respond to us, or discourage their affiliates from using stolen content. Any suggestions? I don't want to start a war, but this shit is getting old.

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10-27-2001, 02:36 PM

Lightspeed

You are not on your own here, had the same problem with an Iteens gallery stealing some of my pics, got no solid answer from them. That was a little stupid of him to use Tawn , even I wouldn't steal her LOL.

I am sure ARS will do something if they read this.
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10-27-2001, 02:38 PM

That really sucks.

The gallery does not seem to work right now, but bestsexhost has been hanving that problem often.
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10-27-2001, 02:41 PM

Well, I'll take lemons and make lemonade -- if you guys like that girl, her name is Tawnee Stone, and you can promote her site, TawneeStone.com exclusively through Lightspeedcash.com --- we'll even give you access to over 600 pictures of her to promote her with.

Be honest, do the right thing, make even more money.

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10-27-2001, 02:50 PM

They must get tons of cease and desist emails claiming to be copyright holders. How do they know their affiliate doesn't have a receipt for that set and your dispute is actually with a content provider? How would a sponsor know for a fact you and only you hold all rights?

Mail ARS photocopies of the evidence you are ready willing and able to present in civil court to prove your rights have been violated. Get the contact info for their affiliate so you can find out whether he is a lone wolf or whether a larger problem exists because he bought your pics somewhere.

If after having been provided with proof ARS won't help you, burn 'em in court and set an example everybody else will fear and avoid.

Works for me. When I've mailed eBay proof of bootleg copies of my tapes being on their site they take action right away.

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10-27-2001, 02:52 PM

A cease and desist letter to ARS's legal department would probably do the trick

Of course the best person to answer this would probably be Lensman. I'm sure he would shit a brick if he saw pics of an AP girl on there.

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10-27-2001, 02:58 PM

Unless its on a grand scale where pics are being used in pay sites its not worth all the trouble chasing these cheats beyond hitting the services they use. Hell you could spend half your working day chasing these idiots. All this guy needs to say is he got his content mixed up "sorry" and your case has hit the deck.

He would get a much better result by using the correct sponsor for the stolen content, I doubt if he even knows about Tawneys site.
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10-27-2001, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by Dopy:

I doubt if he even knows about Tawneys site.

No, I think he does, the statement "visit my friends site" leads to the knowledge of "her" site existing...

He may also even be an affiliate of yours, just using ARS because of the freehost rules...

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10-27-2001, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Dopy:
I doubt if he even knows about Tawneys site.

Odd that he calls her Tawnee, isn't it?

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10-27-2001, 03:16 PM

just noticed this other post
http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/...ML/000733.html

coincidence?

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10-27-2001, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Dopy:
I doubt if he even knows about Tawneys site.

He knows - he's just too cheap to pay for bandwidth and content. So he can either promote lightspeedcash on bestsexhost or promote ARS on bestsexhost using lightspeedcash pics. He also knows that the likelihood of ARS pulling the plug on him by promoting a different sponsor on bestsexhost are far greater than lightspeedcash finding some way to get him to stop using those pics. This guy knows EXACTLY what he's doing.
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10-27-2001, 03:28 PM

May be Lightspeed, may be.

However, drop onto the ARS webmaster board. It's pretty active, I'm sure that someone will notice you in there. Bug them until they get it sorted.

That guy has probably taken Tawnee's pics from a gallery promoting her site, hence the name. Or maybe a gallery has been given a description with the name "Tawnee" on a tgp, the guy just surfed on into the gallery and raped the content. There's a million and one explanations for her name getting on there - this is fucked up. I'm sure it bothers you, bug ARS until they take it down.
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10-27-2001, 03:28 PM

Damn this sux Nothing worse that content thieves.
Another thing. I think you should setup a meeting between me and Tawney so I can discuss in private with her how her feelings are about this hole incident

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10-27-2001, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Due:
Damn this sux Nothing worse that content thieves.
Another thing. I think you should setup a meeting between me and Tawney so I can discuss in private with her how her feelings are about this hole incident

"hole incident" - I am not sure if she wants to hear abour your hole incidents. Please keep those to yourself

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10-27-2001, 05:48 PM

hey lightspeed. wheres tanker . trying to get a hold of him. Ive been promoting your sites need to chat with him. icq 68184834
I looked on your site but didnt see contact info. thanks.
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10-27-2001, 06:05 PM

This sucks...
We have stoped using ARS from now..
Lightspeed are our only sponsor now.. This is not a sponsor we can work..Be honest and it will be ok..

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10-27-2001, 06:13 PM

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10-27-2001, 06:19 PM

This set of picture is floating around since so many years... I saw it so many time and I found the Lightning's Tawnee site just 2 weeks ago. Lightningcash should ask her if she ever sold licences of her stuff before... because it's not exclusive at all to me.

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10-27-2001, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by the indigo:
This set of picture is floating around since so many years... I saw it so many time and I found the Lightning's Tawnee site just 2 weeks ago. Lightningcash should ask her if she ever sold licences of her stuff before... because it's not exclusive at all to me.

That is truly an amazing comment, since I took that picture myself in Febuary, shortly after Tawnee turned 18, and I have never licensed her pics to anyone. Also, Tawnee does not own a computer. I read somewhere that she is like 29 now, which is an amazing amount of aging for someone to do in 8 months. Tawnee's pics are exclusive to Lightspeedcash (its LIGHTSPEEDCASH, not LIGHTNINGCASH, thank you) -- if you see her without my banners and links, you know you are dealing with a dishonest person. I think this proves how often her content has been stolen from us.

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10-27-2001, 07:18 PM

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10-27-2001, 07:51 PM

I think sponsors that ignore copyright violations should be boycotted. It's not their job to police it, but they cannot ignore legitimate claims.
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10-27-2001, 08:00 PM

Tawnee is hot...

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10-27-2001, 08:50 PM

Lightspeed

Do you have an optional "pop up free exit" link for your partner codes ? I prefer people to click back on a clean path. One is ok but 3 is too much when you are sending from pay site review pages or banners on a pay site.
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10-27-2001, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by Dopy:
Lightspeed

Do you have an optional "pop up free exit" link for your partner codes ? I prefer people to click back on a clean path. One is ok but 3 is too much when you are sending from pay site review pages or banners on a pay site.

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10-27-2001, 09:04 PM

I think the best thing to do is boycot the idiots to who do this. In alot of cases its hard to tell. But if you run a tgp, linklist, etc and you see Len's content promoting something else its pretty recognizable. I believe this to be the case with Lightspeed content. Their conversion rates are awesome for that reason. So if you see this shit happening, don't list the guy. Blacklist his ass or something. People like this are the ones that make it tougher for the rest of us

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10-27-2001, 10:25 PM

I finally got ahold of ARS, and they have cheerfully deleted the offending gallery. Behold the power of this forum.

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10-28-2001, 01:48 AM

ICQed it.

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10-28-2001, 01:59 AM

Well I don't know about ARS.
Once I saw a motherfucker promoting Teen Dreamer on a gallery with a chick that had shirt saying pussyhigh.com on it -- obviously stolen pics.
I didn't care that much, since I don't own or even promote pussyhigh, but I droped Laura (director of webmaster support) a line with the gallery URL

She replied to me in less than 4 hours saying that the guy who was doing it had his account suspended WITHOUT PAY

So you see it all depends how busy they are.
Other than that they do not tollerate cheaters
ARS is a great sponsor IMO

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10-28-2001, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by Lightspeed:
Here is an example http://teen.bestsexhost.net/hotteen4/teen4150.htm

Seems like the site been terminated.

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10-28-2001, 02:15 PM

LS..

I just sent you an email. I need your help.

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10-30-2001, 09:23 AM

Okay to address a few different issues on this subject.

First off BestSexHost is one of the offerings of the ARS webmaster program. We receivie NUMEROUS complaints daily, given the fact that it's the #2 freehost out there right now this is not suprising. We terminate all accounts with stolen/unlicensed content no questions asked. If for some reason this account was not terminated immediately Lightspeed I apologize but as you can see it's no longer active now.

You can address any future complaints to our support department: [email protected] or me personally: [email protected]

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10-30-2001, 09:32 AM

From a legal standpoint -- it's not ARS's job to terminate the affiliate, and for them or any other sponsor to do so is a courtesy to the copyright holder.

When an affiliate who doesn't actually have processing is using stolen content, going to their host is the legal way to shut them down.

You fill out an affadavit and their host has to take action -- first by notifying the offender that they are using stolen content and giving them time (we use 24 hours at Cavecreek) to remove the material before the account is terminated.

Stolen or unlicensed use of content sucks, there's no doubt about it -- we get many complaints daily between CCBill and Cavecreek.

But to blame or boycott ARS for no valid reason, well, that's just wrong.
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10-30-2001, 10:48 AM

you guys can thank all the people on this board that think its funny to tell all the newbies its ok to use other peoples content.

i think i read BS like that every day here.

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10-30-2001, 01:06 PM

Kimmy Kim

when ARS started thier freehosting they took it upon themselves to police the shit. it would be just as if they didnt care if people were using underage content to promote thier sites

Lightspeed you see that agian and a sponosor or a freehost doesnt Responds to you Email their Bandwith Provider and light firs under thier ass that will get the job done Quicker then this forum

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10-30-2001, 01:18 PM

The stuff was on ARS servers. That's much worse than simple affilate theft.

ANY sponsor that refuses to get involved when confronted with infringement deserves to be boycotted. And I will be glad to support it any way I can.
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10-30-2001, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by Speedy26:
you guys can thank all the people on this board that think its funny to tell all the newbies its ok to use other peoples content.

i think i read BS like that every day here.

I second that motion.

Anyone to carry it?

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10-30-2001, 03:12 PM

Lensman,

What's the problem here? As SOON as this was brought to our attention we removed it. I don't have the time nor the resources to ask the thousands of accounts which pics they paid for and which they stole. That's asinine to think that a freehost would know which content was legal or not.

I get 3-5 APIC requests a day, and all the accounts are terminated. That seems like a relatively low number to me based on the number of pages and to think I could have someone spending all day searching for those needles in a haystack, well...

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10-30-2001, 04:22 PM

I'll carry your motion Elvis.

oscer -- they did not take it upon themselves to police anything by starting a freehost and if you'll have a close look at DMCA you'll see that hosts can create liability for themselves very easily by attempting to police their clients.

The copyright holder bears the burden of notification -- an affadavit that's acceptable under DMCA is presented to the host, the host notifies the offender and if the offender doesn't take down the stolen material or produce a license to use it in a timely manner, then and only then, can they be safely terminated from the host.

I don't hold with stolen content, but I'm also hard pressed to find too many people in this industry that haven't violated licenses from time to time, even if it's just a paysite owner pushing feeds from a members area they license into another one of theirs or an associates that they don't license.
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10-30-2001, 04:37 PM

if you get into the content business its YOUR business to protect your copyright. NO ONE ELSE'S.
As Kimmy says, its a courtesy for a sponsor to do this.

if someone emails me about a copyright infringment, how the hell would I know if it was valid or not (I don't spend my day looking at porn)
If I cancel their account do I pay them what's owed or not? If not, will the content provider pay my court costs when the webmaster accuses me of stealing his money?
If I pay him and cancel his account, what is the point?
If you're in the content business, don't demand that ANYONE else do your job for you.
period.
how often do sponsors ask content providers to revoke licenses of guys cheating them?
get it?

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10-30-2001, 07:57 PM

Then why do these people feel they can treat normal Freehosts Differently ?

So basicly it is not my Duty to make sure there is no stolen pics CP or spam on my servers that it is all up to my users??

Is this what you are trying to say ?

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10-30-2001, 08:33 PM

In a nutshell yes.

If you start to police your servers, you then stand to become liable for what's on them.

I am NOT saying that any of us should support CP, content theft, etc.

I am saying that 12clicks is right.
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10-30-2001, 10:23 PM

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10-31-2001, 03:50 AM

Originally posted by Kimmykim:

I am saying that 12clicks is right.

I'm fairly certain we've gotten beyond the need to make this statement.

as far as oscer's statements go, most freehosts are scumbags who look the other way anyway. they don't need my laying out of the facts to excuse them.

I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.
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10-31-2001, 03:50 AM

also, I've got 3 guys on my icq list named "tony"
I don't even know who the fuck they are.

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10-31-2001, 03:59 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks:
also, I've got 3 guys on my icq list named "tony"
I don't even know who the fuck they are.

Two of those tony's are me. In case you put one of my ice # on ignore i will still have a way to be close to you.

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10-31-2001, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks:
also, I've got 3 guys on my icq list named "tony"
I don't even know who the fuck they are.

Riiight. Stop getting so drunk at conventions and you might remember.
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