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Originally posted by SilentKnight
This is a philosophical question and would take the debate in another direction
Yes.Originally posted by SilentKnight
Thank you. She will be a survivor.Originally posted by SilentKnight
The risk of it being a hoax is one I was willing to take. My donation was small - only $50 - but that's money that could easily slip through my fingers - even the slightest chance of it helping someone out in that situation is worth the inherent risk. In the worst of cases all that happens is I lose $50.Originally posted by SilentKnightI died.Comment
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err, no? Who's MJ?Originally posted by dig420I died.Comment
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Case B assumes you know what he spent the $5 on. It also assumes you're oblivious of whether he really needed the $5.Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
Case B also doesn't solve the problem tomorrow.Comment
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As I said in my earlier post, there is inherent risk with any charity - im not afraid of being out $5. It's possible he uses the $5 to buy a rope and go hang himself.. but how realistic is that?Originally posted by SilentKnight
The guy might not be sitting in the same spot tomorrow. And also like I've said, NOT giving him the $5 doesnt solve the problem tomorrow either.
If you can make a coherent argument saying that somehow NOT giving the $5 has a greater net benefit, im all ears (assuming all-things-being-equal, meaning that im not going to take that $5 and invest it and start a get-all-the-homeless-people-off-the-street fund.. my life will go on as normal)
I dont think so high of myself that Im in a position to teach a homeless guy 'a lesson'.Last edited by Dollarmansteve; 06-13-2006, 01:18 PM.I died.Comment
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ok Man you right, noone can judge other's life, however there are many people who can't find even bread, when that kind of people are still hungery; whyOriginally posted by drctfiestaYou are nothing but a bunch of piece of shit slime bag. You make money because of women like her and you do not want to help?
Who the fuck are you?
Who the fuck are you to judge people's life?
How the fuck do you know the events in her life that made her need money at this time of tragedy?
You are all a bunch of heartless faggots
i will care about Asia's life?
she can work again in porn industry or something differant, she is not depend on the bed.
if i'm wrong; tell me you're wrong.Comment
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My father had a heart attack a few years ago, he lived but now he cant work. That left me supporting my parents and myself. I dont see anybody helping me out.. Even the cats I helped get started in this biz didn't do shit when I asked them to help me promote my paysites when I got them going. 99% of the people in this biz only care about 2 things. A) Going to EVERY gathering so they can get drunk and look stupid in pictures. B) Themselves, that's it.
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So why are you making him dependant on you for food by giving him money?Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
You seem to think you know a lot, but you really have no basic concept of cause and effect, as well as dependency.
Good try though. But I'd find a different hobby than arguing a point that you're very wrong on. It will only make you blue in the face.Comment
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Sorry, I dont view the guy on the street in the same light as the animals at the African lion safari. I used to be cynical and jaded like you are right now when i first moved to this city - but the ironic thing is (given your earlier statements) is that one day you wake up and realize no matter how you live your life, you're gonna end up dead.Originally posted by BradM
I'd rather buy a homeless guy a cup of coffee on a cold day than live my life as a bitter, cynical survivalist.I died.Comment
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Reducing this discussion to the basics winds up talking in vague generalities and hypotheticals with rounded corners - when in fact we're talking about a specific instance ... Asia Carerra.Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
But just for the sake of simplicity:
I'd turn that around and ask you to provide a coherent argument on how giving $5 is a greater net benefit than offering to teach or advise them on how to fend for themselves.
We'll simply go round and round with this, since its obvious neither of us will have a change of mindset.
Even *if* I had the inclination to send her a donation - I couldn't. My funds are already allocated - taking care of my own family's present needs and future considerations.
You think of me as being "high on myself" - and I think of you as being naive and foolish.
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There's nothing bitter about me. I love being a survivalist.Originally posted by DollarmansteveComment
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Because of the this simple reality: It is not within my circle of influence to tech or advise them on how to fend for themselves. I neither have the skills nor time to do so, I am not a life coach/motivational speaker/politician, etc.. etc.. I am just a guy walking down the street and nothing can change that.Originally posted by SilentKnight
I am a stark realist.. and reality says this: I give the guy some food or money and he's better off. If you think he's NOT better off because I've perpetuated some downward spiralling social cycle, well, then as you've said, we are moving towards a larger socio-political realm of discusison which is beyond the scope of a GFY thread.
My comment was not directed. By stating that I dont think so high of MYSELF in that case was not implying that I think you are high on yourself, I was only commenting on my personal belief about myself. see: humility.Originally posted by SilentKnightI died.Comment
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I don't like to see the continued "I don't know you, but donate money to me.. " stories on GFY... but at the same time I realize that if it bothers me.. I don't have to enter the thread. I know plenty of people in my own life and my own circle who can really use $50 if I have it to spare. People who are important to me, that know me, and acknowledge my existence.- Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com
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double post.I died.Comment
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I've said to my wife a few times that I'd want my epitaph to read "Gone to see for himself."Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
Not "Sucker".
I'm not above buying a homeless guy a coffee - done it a few times in the past. But only when the guy really looked in need, and even then I went in and bought it for him rather than handing over the money.Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
But we're not talking of just some homeless dude on the street here. We're talking specifically about a world-renowned adult actress who's had a career over the years than others only dream about.
I have great difficulty believing Asia (and children) is truly "in need" at this stage - certainly not to the point of begging strangers for support. At the risk of being crass and blunt...her husband isn't even cold in the grave and already she's determined she's in a financial crisis? And has the presence of mind to go public with her Paypal information?!
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It's nearly impossible not to be cynical these days when the 'net constantly demonstrates itself as a haven for scam artists and fraudsters. Not to say Asia is one of these...but I can certainly understand everyone questioning her modus operandi at the present time.
DollarManSteve - why is a philosophical debate about the perpetuating downward spiral caused by giving a homeless guy some money "beyond the scope of GFY"?
It sounds more like you have your back against the wall and can't justify the logic of perpetuating the ongoing misery.Comment
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If we accept the authenticity of the story, there's no question she's 'in need' - in an emotional/spiritual, etc, etc level.. I dont know the financial situation, so yes you could argue "how could she be in financial need?"Originally posted by SilentKnight
But for this, let's look to Ockam's Razor.
The fact is that she asked for financial assistance. This would only be for one of two reasons:
1) she's in financial distress
2) she's a scammer
Now, given that we've accepted the story as being true, which is more likely?
If I accept that her husband has died tragically.. and that she's asked for money.. I dont find it difficult to believe at all that she is in some kind of financial trouble - why else would she ask unless she was trying to scam people - which we've already decided is the less likely of the two scenarios?
If someone has hacked her site and/or the story is untrue, etc, etc, then obviously all bets are off.I died.Comment
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If you'd like to argue how I dont think that giving a homeless person a few bucks is perpetuating ongoing misery - let's rock and roll.. gotta put my edumacation to use at some point..Originally posted by Vasago RenoI died.Comment
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Originally posted by dig420
Now that is some funny shit..
I wouldn't donate money, ever. Now, if her kid(s) need something I will gladly send over food and cloths. Otherwise, she either has a job and all will be fine, or she doesn't and should get on state benefit plans as soon as possible.
I would assume they both have family and close friends, that would help out, like most of us do.
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I agree! Help if you want, don't help if you don't want!Originally posted by MaddCazLast edited by butterflybucks; 06-13-2006, 02:28 PM.100% Real Thai Girls - Tiniest Pornstar in the world Thainee.com & Dream Teen Tussinee.com Asian Teens, Asian EMO, Asian G/Fs THAI GIRLS WILD
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To my knowledge she was making so much money from her website she quit working. Have you also seen pictures of her crib? She lived like she had a lot of cash to me.Comment
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I've donated money to people on GFY in the past.... Tala after she had some surgery, Media cause he said he needed a bigscreen tv and pimpdog wouldnt buy him one... some other chic that had a car wreck cant remember her name... that sarah chic who's husband died and she was fuckin someone else the next couple of weeks... seems like there was a couple of others but cant remember for sure.. but when I was in a wheelchair and almost lost my home to forclosure and had to sell my fuckin car to make the house payments so me & my family wouldnt be homeless, nobody offered a fuckin dime. And I'm in the same industry as everyone else here.
So I've seen what happens when Mr Pheer needs a little assistance, it doesnt come even though I've helped others 'in the industry' when they apparently needed help. So, fuck Asia Carrera. And if any of you guys need help in the futurue, well fuck you to. I tell it straight like it is, you dont ever have to wonder which side of the fence I'm on. And I dont care if you like it or not
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hey silentknight, i have no response re: asia carrera. i make no judgement.
i just wanted to give a nod to you and esp your wife. sounds too familiar. lupus sucks. well wishes to you both.
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I dont ask for handouts and i dont give themI can resist everything except temptationComment
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Thanks Lulu.Originally posted by lulu36
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I'm just wondering how many of those who have already donated to Asia would donate to another random stranger in the same situation who posted a request for money in her blog? I'm not judging either way, if you wanna help someone out, then thats cool with me...but what makes Asia more special and worthy to receive your money than anybody else? Just because she's famous? Now helping anybody is great in my book, but unless Asia was family or a personal friend or someone i greatly admired, then I think i would rather donate my money towards someone who's life depended on it...that being said, i still hope Asia gets the financial support she needs.Comment
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I don't see Asia posting on GFY either. Just a bunch of people without a life starting threads about how you shouldn't donate to her because of whatever their reasoning is... funny how these people have tons of time to spend being tasteless and classless instead of making some money.Originally posted by Brujah
She didn't ask anyone here to donate, you people go about making it your business like she's your sister.
Geez.Comment
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Originally posted by MrPheerI've donated money to people on GFY in the past.... Tala after she had some surgery, Media cause he said he needed a bigscreen tv and pimpdog wouldnt buy him one... some other chic that had a car wreck cant remember her name... that sarah chic who's husband died and she was fuckin someone else the next couple of weeks... seems like there was a couple of others but cant remember for sure.. but when I was in a wheelchair and almost lost my home to forclosure and had to sell my fuckin car to make the house payments so me & my family wouldnt be homeless, nobody offered a fuckin dime. And I'm in the same industry as everyone else here.
So I've seen what happens when Mr Pheer needs a little assistance, it doesnt come even though I've helped others 'in the industry' when they apparently needed help. So, fuck Asia Carrera. And if any of you guys need help in the futurue, well fuck you to. I tell it straight like it is, you dont ever have to wonder which side of the fence I'm on. And I dont care if you like it or not
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