European Webmasters...

Fuck, I just realized it's fucking 3 a.m. in Europe! Damn that was stupid of me to post this now. Ok, coming back tomorrow when the boys are up and running across the pond.

Hey Robbie,

PaySaint is perfect for your needs. We should be Beta launching within the next week or so finally

A major difference between us and ePass that addresses SpikeD's concerns is users have to add and confirm their bank accounts (we support all local banks in just about every EU country) and there is no debit card at this point, so no worry of fraud there.

Anyhow if you want to get in on Beta, or once we're publicly launched, just hit me up

Fuck yeah Keith! I'm glad you stepped in here. Let me pass this on to SpikeD

hmmm....

Don't worry about some SpikeD, find yourself better sponsors

epass has crappy exchange rates. I recently switched to bank wire transfer with my best sponsor and I am very happy with it. I opened an account in USD and it all works like a charm. Good exchange rate, my own debit card from my bank good customer support etc
I never use sponsors that offers check only payment.
The only downside is that sponsors usually offer free wire only for 1000$+ transfers, so smaller affiliates might have a problem with that.

Thanks Don-Antonio, and yeah...wire transfers are expensive to send, AND expensive to receive.

And bbm....lol SpikeD and I are BOTH at SoloSlutCash. I'm looking for a solution for our European webmasters, not a payout to myself.

Bump for European webmasters

well good luck guys!!!!!!!!

**off topic - do you use ICQ? If yes, can you contact me please? Thanks

whats with the fraud that all the americans commit ;)

i am perfectly happy with Epass for example and i wonder how many people who bitch about exchange rates or fees with epass really claim that income in the tax report and pay tax on it

Bank wire is great for payment between Europeans, I guess not from US to Europe because of the bank costs.

Epass is a great option but make sure to get yourself on the list for a heart transplant right after you finally get the business account. I am already struggling ATM for us to get a personal account besides the biz one.

i use revupcard, great service

Thanks for the input guys...keep it coming from European webmasters. Also you saw earlier in this thread that Varius is about to launch PaySaint Would you guys be open to using that service?

Yes ofcourse. Everyone is going put his money in some new and unknown service in a heart beat.

</sarcasm>

I prefer a fast transfer like epass.

Cheques are expensive and takes ages to cheque, same goes for wires.

darksoul, it's simply a question for European webmasters. And Keith/Varius is behind this venture. They were the people behind The Costa Rica bash and have done quite a bit of branding for this "new and unknown service"

But you are correct in saying that people don't jump right over to new things right away. Thus my question to our European webmasters...what is the best way for you to get paid?
And as a sidenote...knowing who Keith is and his involvement with PaySaint, is that a viable option as well?

US sponsor checks are collected in bundles of 25 at a time, and then deposited into our USD account... cost per check ~ $0.87. Incoming USD wires usual cost us ~ $6.00 per wire, but is faster than checks, and no worrying about bouncing checks

So checks for smaller amounts, and wires for bigger amounts

Checks are practically unusable

wire is ok but the fees are making the minimum thresholds high

Epass is practically impossible to get for a non US individual

Paypal can't be legally used after the ebay takeover (if I am not mistaken this applies also for sponsor programs paying out commissions from adult biz related transactions)

Having said this, I guess Keith knows very well that there is still space for a reliable, hassle free solution, and I hope it works out.

As for the "fraud" issue, even a EU citizen now I can practically wipe my ass with my "embossed" cards while in the States, thanks to my behind the iron curtain heritage.

If there are any reliable stats related to cc fraud / countries I would be very curious to see them.

Finally getting a USD account this fall.

If you pay a lot for a wire then you need to get a new bank.

Dont forget that you can negotiate the price of a wire with the bank manager. providing you have volume that is.

In that case, paysaint is not an alternative to epass, payoneer, moneybookers,...

As an European webmaster I can tell you this: I only promote sponsors that pay through ccbill or epass.

If they offer that PaySaint Debit Card they mention on their site and don't require you to add a bank account: yes. Otherwise: no.

Hi there. I'm from Europe (not yet a webmaster , but trying ) and I see that you mention RevUp. Are they any good? So far I only use epass, never heard of RevUp 'till few weeks ago. Sorry is it's off topic, gotta ask.

get a local bank in europe with english internetbanking
set-up by your own bank. Costs almost nothing and saves HUGE wire costs.
You'll be suprised what banks can do for you these days (but you gotta ask for it)

or go to
http://www.rabobank.com/content/appl...countryCode=NL

thanks guys...Hmmmm, it seems like there is no definitive best way that is agreed upon. But you guys have definitely shown us several options. Thank you.

darksoul, I wasn't inferring that you weren't a european webmaster...I guess it came out that way. I meant it's just a question for you guys and that Keith/Varius is known in the business and will have a certain level of trust. That's all.

Both you and Mefo like epass, but Carlos is saying it's impossible for him in East Europe.
What is your take on this new RevUp Card? I had never looked at it until SpikeD talked about it. Obviously we need something that people actually already use and works.

My gut feeling is Epass. And the purpose of this thread is to find out if that will work for everybody and if that's the preference. And if that is so, to convince SD to move on this so we can make money with more European webmasters.

If epass isn't available for him, revup, payoneer etc probably won't be either...

I dont under why you dont use paypal. If both names are business names and not blowjobmamas inc, how would they know? Also its not an adult sale its a business transaction.

tony404 My understanding would be that if Paypal finds out that your an adult business in any way, they will cancel your account. Not only that, but Paypal is expensive to use. For instance, I promote almost 500 different programs. That is a LOT of money to pay in Paypal fees, even if they did work with adult.

good luck

You are correct. Our goal is to become an alternative to checks and wires, being cheaper and quicker for all parties involved, not another e-wallet type system like those listed above.

Also as an European webmaster I can tell you this also: I only promote sponsors that pay through ccbill or epass.

If you want quality webmasters sending you traffic, then go with the flow
Worried about scamm? Well even USA webmasters scamm

Hey all, I'd just like to post some more details about PaySaint so everyone understands what it is meant to do.

1) PaySaint is co-founded by myself and Michael Maher, who originally founded IwantU. We have both been in the business for over 10 years now, have hosted our own webmaster show for 3 years and have attended dozens of other shows. That said, I understand people are skeptical with anything related to their money and I don't blame you. We have several large, reputable programs lined up to integrate us as well as known software systems like NATS and MPA3. We know this won't be an overnight thing, but we are in it for the long-term, the fact we stayed with one company in this industry for ten years should prove we are not some fly-by-nighters.

2) We currently support 340 banks in 38 countries, with more to come in the future based on demand. When you withdraw from your virtual account, you will receive your money in your local bank account in under 24 hours in most cases (banks always have their own delays though, so we'll say 72 hours to be safe). Especially for European webmasters receiving US program payouts, this is MUCH quicker than a check without the hassle and in most cases faster than a wire as well (while being cheaper and avoiding large payout minimums many programs have with wires).

3) Multiple currencies are supported. For example, if you withdraw money to your EU account, you will receive it in Euros while your fee is also in Euros. In the US, you would receive your funds in USD with the fee being in USD and so forth.

4) We update our exchange rate every 30 minutes based on the current global exchange rate (through a certified global exchange rate webservice).

5) We will offer a debit card eventually, right now we feel it is not necessary though and goes against the purpose of our service. Not to mention debit cards have higher fees, lower limits (takes longer to get your money), more potential fraud... We realize, depiste this, some people still prefer it to using a bank account, so once we find a solid one with acceptable fees we can tie-in to our banking network, we will offer it as an optional feature.

6) For Program Owners, we have offered a bulk-pay option that accepts as one of its formats the epassporte format of data. This makes it easy for programs who currently offer ePass to offer us as well with limited integration time.

7) For an example of fees, let's say you wish to withdraw $5000 with epassporte. Withdrawing that via wire will take a few days to receive and cost $50. With PaySaint, the same amount will take 24 hours and cost $16.50. This is just one example of how our fees are more affordable.

I hope this covers some of the questions you all may have about what PaySaint is and isn't, but if it doesn't feel free to ask here or ICQ/email me and I'll be happy to answer.

In the end, we wish to become another option for affiliates. We are not asking programs to replace ePassporte/Payoneer/etc...simply offer us an an additional option and let the affiliates choose.

Thank you for the explanation Keith

What I am garnering here is that we need to get a business Epass now. And we need to get Paysaint integrated as well to give our webmasters a choice

That is the plan of action I would recommend

As many issues as ePass does sometimes have, there is no doubt it's currently the most popular adult alternative payout option to checks/wires so IMO you should be offering it right now.

I'm not an affiliate really, but the few programs I have promoted here and there I only went for ones who had ePass because in Costa Rica, checks/wires are a major pain for me much like I suspect they are for Europeans.

How are checks and wires better when it comes to fraud? Once you paid the webmaster, there is no way back, so the only way is to double check his sales before the payments go out. And then its no difference what payment method it is. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, as I was never dealing with fraudulent affiliates.

You have a small chance of their bank taking action if you contact them regarding fraud, plus a little extra time to stop the payment once it's sent out.

Honestly? I don't know. I've heard of "horror stories" but like you, I'm not the kind of guy who thinks about scamming people. So all I know is the stories that circulate. I don't even know what the security issues with it are. I've had an individual epass for years now and have never had any problem with security.

But I hear people talk about it. I guess where there is smoke there is fire?

You could try revupcard,but epassporte will stay number one beacuse it still mostly used by affiliate programs.

That's been my thought since word go. I have a little more experience from the affiliate side than SpikeD does and I know you can't make people move to a new payout option...you have to go with what they already know and trust. That was sort of the purpose of the thread to see if epass is still king. Looks like it is.

I use wires exclusively, works out just fine.

Well after shock media said they are good,and if he say they are good then they must be good

Hello from Italy!
ePassporte (or any similar service) is surely the way to go. I never noticed it to have a bad exchange rate and i LOVE the ability to go to any ATM and get my money...

Wire transfers and checks are.... well... let's just say ... a way to make the bank happy ;)

Lol right right, the atm is good, the wire is a way to make the bank happy.

I thought italians invented economics, did it get lost in time or something ?