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  • d-null
    . . .
    • Apr 2007
    • 13724
    #1

    GOOGLE may change the SEO game drastically

    this was part of another thread, but I thought it was important enough to start a new thread, as changes in google's algorithm can have a huge impact on so many people's business here:


    Originally posted by budsbabes
    already happening:

    http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28...earch-results/
    damn, so seo might turn into more of a "who can get a network of people together to abuse the system" or hours of proxies for niche keywords.... and for really competitive keywords like "PORN" the top serps will obviously and through surfer popularity votes be the sites that give away the most and best free (stolen) content

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    • DateDoc
      Outside looking in.
      • Feb 2005
      • 14243
      #2
      Interesting that they just bought Digg and the article says "Digg style voting" on search results. Pretty soon we will see job postings for people that can Google-Digg your search results millions of times.

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        • marketsmart
          HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
          • Dec 2004
          • 20419
          #3
          i said all this over a month ago...

          users input is going to play a major role in se's rankings...

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            • d-null
              . . .
              • Apr 2007
              • 13724
              #4
              with that and the use of bounce rates, I think the affiliate business is in for some major troubles in the future... or at the very least, some major changes

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                • tony299
                  lurker
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 57021
                  #5
                  Originally posted by d-null
                  this was part of another thread, but I thought it was important enough to start a new thread, as changes in google's algorithm can have a huge impact on so many people's business here:




                  damn, so seo might turn into more of a "who can get a network of people together to abuse the system" or hours of proxies for niche keywords.... and for really competitive keywords like "PORN" the top serps will obviously and through surfer popularity votes be the sites that give away the most and best free (stolen) content
                  but couldnt the owners of the stolen get it removed from the google results?

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                    • eMonk
                      Confirmed User
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 2310
                      #6
                      i can foresee competitors voting you down.

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                        • d-null
                          . . .
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 13724
                          #7
                          Originally posted by tony404
                          but couldnt the owners of the stolen get it removed from the google results?
                          guess they could, depends how google handles that....

                          youtube as a whole ranks very well in the search engines, even though a ton of the content on youtube is "stolen"

                          (but they will take it down if you notify them for each instance, kind of like the way the stolen content forums get away with it nowadays with dmca, they will take down content if they are served with the dmca info, but take one down and put 10 new ones up it just goes on and on)

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                            • WiredGuy
                              Pounding Googlebot
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 34512
                              #8
                              Google 2.0

                              Seriously, where user-submitted voting will determine your listings.
                              I can't wait for it to come out and even looking more forward to seeing how fast abuse will come with the change.
                              WG
                              I play with Google.

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                                • NoWhErE
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Sep 2005
                                  • 10583
                                  #9
                                  I don't get it. Democracy doesn't work for politics, why would it work for SERPs?
                                  skype: lordofthecameltoe

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                                    • d-null
                                      . . .
                                      • Apr 2007
                                      • 13724
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                      Google 2.0

                                      Seriously, where user-submitted voting will determine your listings.
                                      I can't wait for it to come out and even looking more forward to seeing how fast abuse will come with the change.
                                      WG
                                      yeah, digg became a joke in no time, I'm not looking forward to it... never had the stomach for the whole 'network with a 100 of your third world buddies' to abuse the digg system kind of thing

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                                        • Libertine
                                          sex dwarf
                                          • May 2002
                                          • 17860
                                          #11
                                          I'm definitely looking forward to it, if they manage to get it right.

                                          My mainstream sites all use user-friendly, high quality content. So, the less splogs competing with me for rankings, the better
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                                            • Agent 488
                                              Registered User
                                              • Feb 2006
                                              • 22511
                                              #12
                                              a volunteer army of google "editors" like wikipedia's "editors" will do nothing but gives thumbs up and thumbs down all day log.

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                                                • BSleazy
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                  • 6721
                                                  #13
                                                  Better start adding forums to all your sites
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                                                    • tical
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                      • 6504
                                                      #14
                                                      i doubt they'd bail on their algorithms altogether in exchange for this

                                                      i'm sure they will just tweak their algorithms to take the data into consideration so that it can't be totally abused
                                                      112.020.756

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                                                        • d-null
                                                          . . .
                                                          • Apr 2007
                                                          • 13724
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Libertine
                                                          I'm definitely looking forward to it, if they manage to get it right.

                                                          My mainstream sites all use user-friendly, high quality content. So, the less splogs competing with me for rankings, the better
                                                          it will be interesting for mainstream, right now the goal is to get the users and hope they click on ads in a hurry, with a digg type system the goal will be to get and keep the surfers

                                                          wonder how it will monetize though, I know my mainstream sites that have the best user loyalty and bookmark/type-in retention are some of the worst as far as monetisation... users that love your site and stay and keep coming back never click on ads

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                                                            • seeric
                                                              ..........
                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                              • 41917
                                                              #16
                                                              i am buying bot nets and zombies.

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                                                                • marketsmart
                                                                  HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                                                                  • Dec 2004
                                                                  • 20419
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by tical
                                                                  i doubt they'd bail on their algorithms altogether in exchange for this

                                                                  i'm sure they will just tweak their algorithms to take the data into consideration so that it can't be totally abused
                                                                  you are correct....

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                                                                    • Pleasurepays
                                                                      BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                      • 11913
                                                                      #18
                                                                      people are far easier to manipulate than algorithms.

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                                                                        • plsureking
                                                                          bored
                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                          • 4909
                                                                          #19
                                                                          time to short google.
                                                                          yahoo was the #1 search engine
                                                                          until they changed their biz plan
                                                                          to focus on paid inclusion.

                                                                          i remember chatting with yahoo's
                                                                          vp of biz dev a few years ago at
                                                                          a mainstream seo conference.

                                                                          she said focusing on paid inclusion
                                                                          will keep them on top of the SE's for
                                                                          generations to come lol

                                                                          she's probably unemployed now.

                                                                          why change shit if yur on top??
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                                                                            • d-null
                                                                              . . .
                                                                              • Apr 2007
                                                                              • 13724
                                                                              #20
                                                                              I am wondering if we saw a tweak in the algorithm in the last week or so in regard to bounce rates already... I just noticed that a site of mine that I (stupidly) have in google analytics has lost half of it's google traffic this week (that had been steady for nearly a year now), and it coincidentally also has a really high bounce rate.

                                                                              Other seo factors for the site have actually improved in the last month, so it really disturbs me to see this site go downhill so drastically.... and it makes me wonder if this is just a start by Google of a big push for "content" (in the way that they measure it no matter how flawed) over everything else we traditionally think of in seo?

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                                                                                • Agent 488
                                                                                  Registered User
                                                                                  • Feb 2006
                                                                                  • 22511
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  that is true - seeing the shit results of the latest upstart engines makes google's results look golden - warts and all.

                                                                                  but then again you have to keep the legions of phd's employed there doing something.

                                                                                  Originally posted by plsureking
                                                                                  time to short google.
                                                                                  yahoo was the #1 search engine
                                                                                  until they changed their biz plan
                                                                                  to focus on paid inclusion.

                                                                                  i remember chatting with yahoo's
                                                                                  vp of biz dev a few years ago at
                                                                                  a mainstream seo conference.

                                                                                  she said focusing on paid inclusion
                                                                                  will keep them on top of the SE's for
                                                                                  generations to come lol

                                                                                  she's probably unemployed now.

                                                                                  why change shit if yur on top??

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                                                                                    • Agent 488
                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                      • Feb 2006
                                                                                      • 22511
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      already happening with toolbar, analytics info. etc.

                                                                                      Originally posted by d-null
                                                                                      I am wondering if we saw a tweak in the algorithm in the last week or so in regard to bounce rates already... I just noticed that a site of mine that I (stupidly) have in google analytics has lost half of it's google traffic this week (that had been steady for nearly a year now), and it coincidentally also has a really high bounce rate.

                                                                                      Other seo factors for the site have actually improved in the last month, so it really disturbs me to see this site go downhill so drastically.... and it makes me wonder if this is just a start by Google of a big push for "content" (in the way that they measure it no matter how flawed) over everything else we traditionally think of in seo?

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                                                                                        • slavdogg
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                                          • 3570
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          yahoo tried this last year and what seems like have given up on such an idea
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                                                                                            • Brujah
                                                                                              Beer Money Baron
                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                              • 22157
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Ebay purchased StumbleUpon.com right? They should try a search engine. Google's too important and needs some serious competition. I think it'll take a lot more than great search results to do it.

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                                                                                                • mynameisjim
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Aug 2007
                                                                                                  • 2985
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  There are already so many ways to destroy your competition in the SERPS, this one just begs to be exploited as it's the most direct way possible. I don't see any way Google can control it.
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                                                                                                    • rowan
                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                                                                      • 17393
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      I don't see how it's "social voting" if it's a per-user thing. Where does it say - besides the article - that the results may be applied to the basic algorithm in the future?

                                                                                                      I remember one of the search engines experimented with clickthrough ratios to help rank results, but that was quickly exploited. MSN? Ask? One that wasn't Google, anyway. :D

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                                                                                                        • rowan
                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                          • Mar 2002
                                                                                                          • 17393
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          One question is, if you have a site that's going to appear in the SERPs of users who are savvy enough to be able to choose to block them, does that blackban stay indefinitely? This could hurt established sites in the long run. On the flipside, spammers will just register new domains so that they appear in the SERPs again.

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                                                                                                            • mrkris
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • May 2005
                                                                                                              • 2737
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              I'm selling a digg-based cheat system. For sale to first 5 people.

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                                                                                                                • rowan
                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                  • 17393
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  This is an interesting approach...

                                                                                                                  http://www.50matches.com/

                                                                                                                  Only includes results from URLs listed at social networking sites

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                                                                                                                    • brand0n
                                                                                                                      been very busy
                                                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                      • 26983
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                                                                      Google 2.0

                                                                                                                      Seriously, where user-submitted voting will determine your listings.
                                                                                                                      I can't wait for it to come out and even looking more forward to seeing how fast abuse will come with the change.
                                                                                                                      WG
                                                                                                                      we have been working towards this for some time

                                                                                                                      can not wait to abuse the fuck out of this.
                                                                                                                      want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                                                                                                                        • brand0n
                                                                                                                          been very busy
                                                                                                                          • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                          • 26983
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by mrkris
                                                                                                                          I'm selling a digg-based cheat system. For sale to first 5 people.
                                                                                                                          lol. (8 chars)
                                                                                                                          want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                                                                                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                              • 16502
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Go google!

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                                                                                                                                • rowan
                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 17393
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Uh, did anyone notice the article is nearly 9 months old?

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                                                                                                                                    • d-null
                                                                                                                                      . . .
                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2007
                                                                                                                                      • 13724
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by rowan
                                                                                                                                      Uh, did anyone notice the article is nearly 9 months old?
                                                                                                                                      the article may be old, but the implementation of the concepts by google are still in the earliest of stages and consideration, or not even implemented yet

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                                                                                                                                        • mrkris
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • May 2005
                                                                                                                                          • 2737
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by brand0n
                                                                                                                                          lol. (8 chars)
                                                                                                                                          I wanted to see how many people would icq me haha.

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                                                                                                                                            • MoreMagic
                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                                              • 2851
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Voting is already active for months at googles. i'm very happy with it

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                                                                                                                                                • spider_x
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2005
                                                                                                                                                  • 481
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  WHAT A FUCKING JOKE. That's pure suicide for google. Definitely not to be considered. The way your site gets votes on Google is fine just the way it's been. Nothing needs to change especially not to a leftist digg system.
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                                                                                                                                                    • Antonio
                                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                      • 14136
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      without having any proof I think that Google takes user behaviour into account even now, about a year ago all I had to do was to have a nice blog + add shitload of links = good position

                                                                                                                                                      the sites that I started recently seem to bahave a bit diiferently, I have the feeling that the sites that the users love more (spend more time on the site etc) rank better

                                                                                                                                                      may be it's just paranoia ;)

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                                                                                                                                                        • Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life
                                                                                                                                                          (felis madjewicus)
                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                                                          • 20368
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          This is an outright TERRIBLE idea. That just opens the floodgates for EASY abuse of the SERPS. It will be all of 2 days before you see "Get 2000 Google Votes for $29.99" type shit postd on every webmaster forum on the net. Positions will get raped hard. Piracy forums, tubes, and stolen content sites will reign supreme. Negative vibes all over that idea...

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                                                                                                                                                            • Trax
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                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                              • 14486
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              i need botnets

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                                                                                                                                                                • kmanrox
                                                                                                                                                                  aka K-Man
                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                  • 29295
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  most of yas better hope that they dont make this a permanent thing, there go splogs out the window
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                                                                                                                                                                    • jollyperv
                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2001
                                                                                                                                                                      • 3927
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      I don't see how this could possibly work, but then again they do have probably 500 eggheads working on it.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Manowar
                                                                                                                                                                          jellyfish  
                                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                                                          • 71528
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          this will make blackhat and SEO sabotage so common

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Manowar
                                                                                                                                                                              jellyfish  
                                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                                                              • 71528
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                                                                                                                              Google 2.0

                                                                                                                                                                              Seriously, where user-submitted voting will determine your listings.
                                                                                                                                                                              I can't wait for it to come out and even looking more forward to seeing how fast abuse will come with the change.
                                                                                                                                                                              WG
                                                                                                                                                                              Yep it will all be about funding

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                                                                                                                                                                                • 2012
                                                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking What
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 17189
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • HomerSimpson
                                                                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 13826
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      than seo experts will no longer bee needed...
                                                                                                                                                                                      than you'll pay guys to click/vote your page...
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • pmacseo
                                                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 118
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by rowan
                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't see how it's "social voting" if it's a per-user thing. Where does it say - besides the article - that the results may be applied to the basic algorithm in the future?

                                                                                                                                                                                          I remember one of the search engines experimented with clickthrough ratios to help rank results, but that was quickly exploited. MSN? Ask? One that wasn't Google, anyway. :D
                                                                                                                                                                                          It was Direct Hit. And yes, I find it highly likely that digg style voting will be used for personalized results rather than an integration into the overall algorithm.

                                                                                                                                                                                          When you are logged into your Google account, they will use YOUR input from voting sites up or down to learn the types of sites that YOU like so that can deliver results tailored to your personal preferences. The toolbar data though is definitely in play in a big way.
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • cherrylula
                                                                                                                                                                                              lol
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 15969
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by d-null
                                                                                                                                                                                              with that and the use of bounce rates, I think the affiliate business is in for some major troubles in the future... or at the very least, some major changes
                                                                                                                                                                                              Why would you think that?

                                                                                                                                                                                              The affiliate business is to get traffic, and send it to sponsors. Maybe the way some get traffic will change, but that does not mean there is trouble in the affiliate business.

                                                                                                                                                                                              It will get rid of the idiots that don't really know how to play the game, that's all.

                                                                                                                                                                                              I pray death to all blog comment spammers on this one.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Kristian
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 3733
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, read about this.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  So black hat seo will require two progs:

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. Automated voting

                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Automated flagging

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Google will never be more easy to manipulate for those inclined to do so.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  In a sense, not much has changed. A backlink to your site is, effectively, a vote. The votes will just be more in the open and easier to manipulate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Fun fun fun.

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