SuicideGirls Blocks Blue Blood, SpookyCash Has NO Drama with J$tyle$

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  • AmeliaG
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    • Jan 2003
    • 10670

    #1

    SuicideGirls Blocks Blue Blood, SpookyCash Has NO Drama with J$tyle$

    I've seen some posting here re: the Suicide Girls bulk content package which says never to do business with Content Pinup. I do not agree.

    Being an expert in my niche, when the Suicide Girls content package first came on offer, I worried that the license for this particular deal was a poison pill for webmasters. But I am convinced that J$tyle$ and Content Pinup did their very best to take care of their customers in what turned out to be a bad situation.

    I want to state unequivocally that Jonathan Silverstein and Content Pinup were totally professional in all my dealings with them and neither I nor my affiliate program SpookyCash nor my overall company Blue Blood has any problem or dispute whatsoever with anyone from Content Pinup or Blowout.

    A number of webmasters expressed concern that the terms of the license were very limiting. My company was only interested in the content in a very limited way, so there was only one sentence in the contract which concerned me: ?Licensee MAY NOT use any Suicide Girls name, logo or trademarks anywhere on Licensee's website(s) or otherwise.? I found this sentence vague, confusing, and potentially overreaching, so I asked Jonathan Silverstein for an explanation. His clarification sounded fine to me, so I provided the much clearer replacement sentence, ?As the Licensor is not Suicide Girls, nor any of the models, this license specifically DOES NOT confer any special rights to use the Suicide Girls name (registration Serial Number 76408248) or logo (registration Serial Number 76408240) or any particular model pseudonym in previews on licensee's paysites, banners, designs, logos, TGPs or MGPs created with this material.?

    What should have been a very simple business deal among professionals turned out to be anything but.

    SuicideGirls' attorney Paul Loving rejected the clarification of that one sentence, stalling for more than a month, refusing to enumerate what trademarks he was trying to protect, or otherwise explain that one confusing sentence. In a specific contract negotiation, it seems like the burden should not be on the licensee to guess what potentially unregistered trademarks could be an issue.

    I just want to reiterate that, if Content Pinup or Blowout were to offer a package with a normal license which fit my format, I would still do business with them in the future.

    I've only included here the details of this situation which are relevant to webmaster concerns. In the unlikely event that there are GFYers who want to read more detail on the whole thing, you can check Adult FYI or Luke Ford.
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  • Anna_O
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    • Oct 2002
    • 5773

    #2
    Amelia is one of the brightest people in our biz. Glad to see that there's no bad blood (hehe) between you and J$


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    • Trax
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      • Aug 2001
      • 14486

      #3
      i have so no idea what this is about

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      • Mr. Romance
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        • Mar 2005
        • 7821

        #4
        Originally posted by Anna_O
        Amelia is one of the brightest people in our biz. Glad to see that there's no bad blood (hehe) between you and J$

        True....

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        • johnnyhey
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          • Jan 2004
          • 1172

          #5
          Originally posted by Trax
          i have so no idea what this is about
          nor do i.
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          • PR_Dave
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            • Jul 2003
            • 2792

            #6
            All I know is that some time was wasted.

            BUT

            The end result is KICK-ASS!

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            • tASSy
              Spread The Pink!
              • Nov 2004
              • 8229

              #7
              i'm so happy i shot for blueblood and NOT suicide girls. i echo anna o's sentiments of amelia's professionalism.

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              • CaptainHowdy
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                • Dec 2004
                • 94125

                #8
                Originally posted by PR_Dave
                All I know is that some time was wasted.

                BUT

                The end result is KICK-ASS!

                www.punkrockgirlfriend.com



                !!!!!!!

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                • Halcyon
                  Spread The Pink!
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 8609

                  #9
                  Classy to the core. In this age, that is so punk rock!
                  HAL on TEDx:

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                  • AmeliaG
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                    • Jan 2003
                    • 10670

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Halcyon
                    Classy to the core. In this age, that is so punk rock!
                    That should be a T-shirt!
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                    • BIGTYMER
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                      • Nov 2004
                      • 17066

                      #11
                      Originally posted by PR_Dave
                      All I know is that some time was wasted.

                      BUT

                      The end result is KICK-ASS!

                      www.punkrockgirlfriend.com




                      Huh? What happen to SuicideGirlfriend? I've got PPC campaigns and other stuff going to that site... If you changed the sites name then I need to change my promotions.

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                      • nofx
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                        • Nov 2002
                        • 16826

                        #12
                        fuck SuicideGirls

                        i've got something in the works that will fucking destroy them and I will do it with fucking class and style and steal their members away from them one by one.

                        fuck SG, fuck missy, fuck sean, fuck anyone who has an SG membership. SG is nothing more than a bunch of feminist ego power tripping pathetic lesbos who dont know how to operate a website. SG isnt punk at all, nothing but a bunch of richkid pampered daddy girls.
                        Last edited by nofx; 06-08-2006, 04:20 PM.

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                        There's love and hate, theres live or die.
                        When sickness comes I must decide:
                        When feelings go, theres suicide.

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                        • 12clicks
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                          • Jan 2001
                          • 19814

                          #13
                          Originally posted by tASSy
                          i'm so happy i shot for blueblood and NOT suicide girls. i echo anna o's sentiments of amelia's professionalism.
                          you shot for blueblood?
                          that had to be something else!
                          I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                          • slavdogg
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                            • Jan 2001
                            • 3570

                            #14
                            punkrockgirlfriend.com converts extremenly well
                            just my 2cents

                            Keep it up Dave !!
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                            • anne
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                              • Dec 2002
                              • 1149

                              #15
                              Originally posted by PR_Dave
                              All I know is that some time was wasted.

                              BUT

                              The end result is KICK-ASS!

                              www.punkrockgirlfriend.com




                              Nice site ;)
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                              • tASSy
                                Spread The Pink!
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 8229

                                #16
                                Originally posted by 12clicks
                                you shot for blueblood?
                                that had to be something else!
                                yes it was most excellent actually, i even dream about it from time to time it was so fucking perfect.

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                                • tASSy
                                  Spread The Pink!
                                  • Nov 2004
                                  • 8229

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by 12clicks
                                  you shot for blueblood?
                                  that had to be something else!
                                  12clicks, amelia said you might appreciate these:








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                                  • BIGTYMER
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                                    • Nov 2004
                                    • 17066

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by tASSy


                                    12clicks, amelia said you might appreciate these:








                                    Soo hoot!

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                                    • Well Dunn
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                                      • Sep 2005
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by tASSy


                                      pics
                                      Im in love. Something about that pink I swear
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                                      • J$tyle$
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                                        • Apr 2003
                                        • 11500

                                        #20
                                        Amelia,

                                        I'm in San Diego for the Cybernet show and just winding down for the night.

                                        Saw this on page 2 and wanted to let you know that I truly appreciate that. I really did try to make it work as Rob did as well

                                        Thanks for your understanding
                                        Last edited by J$tyle$; 06-09-2006, 12:52 AM.

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                                        • MikeHawk
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                                          • Jan 2004
                                          • 6683

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by J$tyle$
                                          Amelia,

                                          I'm in San Diego for the Cybernet show and just winding down for the night.

                                          Saw this on page 2 and wanted to let you know that I truly appreciate that. I really did try to make it work as Rob did as well

                                          Thanks for your understanding
                                          Yo...Mr $tyles..you suck down some of our booze Smashbucks and OC3 Networks was buying at the bar earlier down in San Diego ?

                                          Sorry i missed ya down there buddy.
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                                          • Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                            • Dec 2005
                                            • 9395

                                            #22
                                            I have something to add, Blue Blood has been called out repeatedly in public to respond to rumors that the pre-launch BlueBlood.com megasite, which already boasts 60,000+ images, also has a license to add approximately a fifth of the content from SuicideGirls. This is Blue Blood founder Amelia G's official response to these allegations:

                                            As you may know, a bulk content package called Content Pinup and describing itself as, "Over 19,000 Images of 20 Suicide Girls" recently surfaced for sale to webmasters. In addition to my own work and Forrest Black's, I publish other photographers every week on my sites, so, in order to provide the best value for my site members, I would normallypick up a license to any decent appropriately themed material which came on the market. The provenance of this particular package with images going for just a bit more than two cents each seemed questionable, so Ivery nearly skipped it entirely.

                                            However Jonathan Silverstein aka J$tyle$ was marketing the package and he said, "I've been in this business for 10 years and the only thing I have in this world is my word and my balls. I don't break either for noone!" I had met up withJonathan Silverstein on a number of occasions with people I respect. So, after consulting with some of the talent which appears on the Content Pinup DVD, I decided to move forward to acquire a license to the package.

                                            Before I say anything else, I want to state unequivocally that Jonathan Silverstein and Content Pinup were totally professional in all my dealings with them and neither I nor my affiliate program SpookyCash nor my overall company Blue Blood has any problem or dispute whatsoever with anyone from Content Pinup or Blowout. I believe that they did the best they could in what turned out to be a bad situation.

                                            When the Content Pinup package was first offered for sale, a number of webmasters expressed concern that the terms of the license were very limiting. Blue Blood was only interested in the content in a very limited way, so there was only one sentence in the contract which concerned me: "Licensee MAY NOT use any Suicide Girls name, logo ortrademarks anywhere on Licensee's website(s) or otherwise." I found this sentence vague, confusing, and potentially overreaching, so I asked Jonathan Silverstein for an explanation. His clarification sounded fine to me, so I provided the much clearer replacement sentence, "As the Licensor is not Suicide Girls, nor any of the models, this licensespecifically DOES NOT confer any special rights to use the Suicide Girls name (registration Serial Number 76408248) or logo (registration Serial Number 76408240) or any particular model pseudonym in previews on licensee's paysites, banners, designs, logos, TGPs or MGPs created with this material."

                                            SG's attorney Paul Loving rejected the clarification of that one sentence, stalling for more than a month, refusing to enumerate what trademarks he was trying to protect. If SuicideGirls owns some of the model pseudonyms or characters, such as Missy Suicide, I was willing to respect their intellectual property rights and avoid infringing.SuicideGirls was, however, unwilling to state which model pseudonyms they felt were SG trademarks. It was going, however, to be a dealbreaker for me if the Content Pinup package could only be published with fake names and fake profiles for the models pictured. No third parties appeared to have any input on this deal, apart from the brokers and SG's attorney.

                                            So SG's attorney Paul Loving had the position to block Blue Blood from getting the content, when Blue Blood would have presented the images respectfully. It seems reasonable to conclude from this that surely SG also had the position to block less flattering sites from receiving the content, but they allowed sites which would make up fake names and fake personas for the girls to receive the content. Which makes it seem like the source of the Content Pinup package may not have been some manbearpig phantom, as has been suggested, but perhaps someone seeking to specifically embarrass and distress the individual models in the pictures.

                                            I don't know how much SG edited these photo sets before publishing whichever ones they published, but, after seeing a more complete preview, I concluded that, if SG signed off on our license to the content, Blue Blood would still not publish all the content on the DVD as SG's photography is much worse than I had thought, using bracketingrather than metering the light properly and sometimes missing the girl in the shot. I would not have wanted to run any photographs which would have embarrassed either the models or the Blue Blood brand with the poorness of the image quality. Photographers license their work for publication all the time. There is nothing wrong with that. But, if aphotographer promises a model that a shoot will not be licensed, then it is reprehensible to do so.

                                            "When models sell their photosets to SuicideGirls, they can be sure of what the pictures will be used for . . . It would be surprising if they suddenly found that their images were sold to a different site without their consent or knowledge, or were being altered, or were being misrepresented, but nothing like that happens."

                                            --Olivia Ball, purported co-owner of SuicideGirls, Nov 18, 2005 post on SuicideGirls.com

                                            "Well, you could argue [that it arrived with] Blue Blood magazine or The Probe--but absolutely, they were very underground . . . I'm not gonna say that we don't exploit the girls, because I don't know. I think that five years from now I will know."

                                            --Sean Suhl, CEO of SuicideGirls, Jan 30, 2003 issue of The Stranger

                                            Sean Suhl used to work as a clerk at a punk store on Melrose, selling copies of Blue Blood magazine over the counter. Given how inspirational he says Blue Blood was to him, it is no surprise that there is crossover between SuicideGirls and Blue Blood in terms of talent we publish. Sometimes Blue Blood works with someone first and sometimes SuicideGirls does.

                                            People keep asking me what I would have done with the content from this package, if SG's attorney had not blocked the sale. I don't think it is a secret that, in addition to being a writer and a photographer, I am an editor and a publisher. So, the short answer is that I would have edited the sets down to what I felt was a good fit for Blue Blood and then Iwould have published that edit. The long answer is as follows. I'm going to list what I believe to be the content of the DVD package in reverse alphabetical order, along with what my likely edit would have been. I will list the content by model pseudonyms as they were listed in the Content Pinup preview. These are pseudonyms which may or may not be owned by SG or the models and I utilize them here merely for simplicity and with no intent to challenge any existing trademarks.

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                                            • 12clicks
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                                              • Jan 2001
                                              • 19814

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by tASSy


                                              12clicks, amelia said you might appreciate these:

                                              while she does know my tastes, I'm sure you didn't need Amelia to tell you that!
                                              I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                              • tASSy
                                                Spread The Pink!
                                                • Nov 2004
                                                • 8229

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                while she does know my tastes, I'm sure you didn't need Amelia to tell you that!
                                                it's really hard to type a witty response when there's a shony bouncing ass in the sig above yours, glad you enjoyed. :P

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                                                • AmeliaG
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                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                  • 10670

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                  while she does know my tastes, I'm sure you didn't need Amelia to tell you that!
                                                  Baby, all the girls sit around talking about your tastes and how to best appeal to them
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                                                  • EZRhino
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                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                    • 6258

                                                    #26
                                                    Amelia has always been stand up pro in this industry and I have great respect for her.

                                                    BTW
                                                    She got some hot goth content

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                                                    • AmeliaG
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                      • 10670

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by J$tyle$
                                                      Amelia,

                                                      I'm in San Diego for the Cybernet show and just winding down for the night.

                                                      Saw this on page 2 and wanted to let you know that I truly appreciate that. I really did try to make it work as Rob did as well

                                                      Thanks for your understanding

                                                      Nice seeing you in San Diego at our booth and on your secret private deck with a view

                                                      Seriously, I'm really really glad you took everything I had to say as I intended it
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                                                      • 12clicks
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                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                        • 19814

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by AmeliaG
                                                        Baby, all the girls sit around talking about your tastes and how to best appeal to them
                                                        Yeow!
                                                        my pants just jumped a little.
                                                        I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                        • RogerV10
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                                                          #29
                                                          Any backround info on all of this?

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                                                          • AmeliaG
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                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                            • 10670

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by RogerV10
                                                            Any backround info on all of this?
                                                            Missed this earlier. I tried to be as thorough as possible. What background info did you want?
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                                                            • MikeHawk
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                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                              • 6683

                                                              #31
                                                              BIG BUMP....
                                                              Mr $tyles rocks....

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                                                              • SleazyDream
                                                                I'm here for SPORT
                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                • 41470

                                                                #32
                                                                i still think amelia is hot
                                                                This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                • 2HousePlague
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                                                                  • Jul 2004
                                                                  • 14572

                                                                  #33
                                                                  well, i'm glad we cleared that up --




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                                                                  tada!

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                                                                  • s9ann0
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                                                                    • Sep 2001
                                                                    • 4873

                                                                    #34
                                                                    post some more pics of girls with dreads

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                                                                    • Kimo
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                                                                      • Jan 2006
                                                                      • 11542

                                                                      #35
                                                                      post them dreadz
                                                                      ...

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                                                                      • Mr.Right - Banned For Life
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                                                                        • May 2005
                                                                        • 18314

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by tASSy


                                                                        12clicks, amelia said you might appreciate these:







                                                                        Those pics are so hot.

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