MAXCASH IS SHAVING ! AND THEY PROVED IT

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  • Blu Solutions
    Confirmed User
    • Sep 2001
    • 183

    #1

    MAXCASH IS SHAVING ! AND THEY PROVED IT

    Anybody noticed that MC was shaving sign ups in this month's beginning ? I had a ratio of 1:150 in previous month - 11 sign ups under that ratio ..
    And after they (Maxcash) were penaltied by law court for 250 000 $ for charging surfer's credit cards - the damn ratio collapsed into zero's ..
    In first 11 days of october I had 1:2000 ... But the sources of traffic were the damn same..
    Now the ratio goes back, but anyway - maybe I am mistaken, but this can not be only accidently..

    Today's morning I have posted a message with this question on MaxCash's webmaster's board - and you know what ? They just DELETED IT QUICKLY..
    I'd appreciate any their answer - but not like this .. As much as I did not claim there that they were shaving .. Heh .. Nice .. Now they proved they did ..
    Blu Solutions
  • funkmaster
    So Fucking Banned
    • Sep 2001
    • 7938

    #2
    ... so what ?

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    • sexxx
      Confirmed User
      • Aug 2001
      • 101

      #3
      Of course they are.....This is no news.

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      • awechen
        Confirmed User
        • Oct 2001
        • 162

        #4
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        • Blu Solutions
          Confirmed User
          • Sep 2001
          • 183

          #5
          OOOOOKkaaaay ...
          Now they deleted my second posting )
          SUPPAA...

          Now I see there'z a "democrasy" on a MC board ! .. You can only tell a "Thanks MC", "I love you, MC", "MC is a great sponsor", and "MC is a one of the kind" words .. No more .. The forum consist only a people who kiss their ass ..
          Blu Solutions

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          • timethief
            Confirmed User
            • Oct 2001
            • 129

            #6
            By the way you dodnt prove anythin by telling your ratios. shit happens.
            the only way you can prove it is if you go and buy a few memberships and not see them in your stats.
            ..aspiring to defy time

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            • Blu Solutions
              Confirmed User
              • Sep 2001
              • 183

              #7
              Timetieth, what do you think - 11 sign ups in 1562 clicks is an accident ? and ZERO for several thousands is a "shit happens" ?
              I can send you screen shots ..
              Now the ratio is back, and it proved that the sign ups were shaven.. And I gave the probable reason of shaving - they needed to compensate the penalty they had from court.
              (and the ratio collapse was fully overlapping with the end of the process at court)

              Do you watch IT news ??

              [This message has been edited by Blu Solutions (edited 10-23-2001).]
              Blu Solutions

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              • funkmaster
                So Fucking Banned
                • Sep 2001
                • 7938

                #8
                ... build your own program and start shaving yourself ... otherwise cut the crap and accept it ...

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                • Blu Solutions
                  Confirmed User
                  • Sep 2001
                  • 183

                  #9
                  By the way - I did not say I am totally certain in it - but explain, why do they delete the question like this from they board, so most of MC webmasters cannot see it and to compare with their own stats ??

                  This fact is saying only one thing - they are trying to conceal that !
                  And that is why I posted this message on THIS board - I'd never bring the garbage from the house - but they forced me ..
                  Blu Solutions

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                  • timethief
                    Confirmed User
                    • Oct 2001
                    • 129

                    #10
                    whatever they are doing. yous aid you had the proof. you dont have proof. you have an idea. you should have made a few signups and then you should went and kicked their ass.
                    no point now. they all shave. nothing new.
                    ..aspiring to defy time

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                    • Diamond Jim
                      Confirmed User
                      • May 2001
                      • 150

                      #11
                      Blu Solutions is a transsexual goat humper and I have proof! And if I went to his personal message board and posted that and then he deleted it, that would REALLY prove it! Nice job, Perry Mason...

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                      • Toolz
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jun 2001
                        • 690

                        #12
                        Conversion ratios change with the ebb and flow of the universe. If anyone can explain this to me I'm all ears. Been in this biz 5 years now and there's no such thing as expected conversion ratios. It's ALL stats and the random dist. of clicks, surfers, and buyers. The more you send the less random the distro becomes.



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                        • Blu Solutions
                          Confirmed User
                          • Sep 2001
                          • 183

                          #13
                          Diamond, you are stupid asshole

                          About conversion - strange overlapping - as they have been kicked - ratio died .. I do not believe it is by chance
                          Blu Solutions

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                          • Wizzo
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                            • Nov 2000
                            • 15224

                            #14
                            I'm still not sure whats your proof?

                            Deleting a post of someone basically calling them thiefs, with no proof except a strange ratio, which happens ALL the time, is not proof.

                            Like Toolz said, If it can be explained, I'm all ears as well...

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                            • Diamond Jim
                              Confirmed User
                              • May 2001
                              • 150

                              #15
                              Let's see your proof that I'm a stupid asshole, Blu Transsexual.

                              I have proof that you cheat sponsors...My proof is you had a 1:150 ratio, which is much better than average, and then you dropped down to 1:2000, which is much worse than average. Therefore, you cheated on your first 11 signups. The genius of webmaster logic has been proven once again! Case closed...

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                              • Toolz
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jun 2001
                                • 690

                                #16
                                Blu

                                Again you've proved your ignorance, you've basically just offended TWO of the top programs with the BEST reps out there with your beliefs.



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                                • Unriz3n
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Apr 2001
                                  • 378

                                  #17
                                  I dont think MaxCash shaves at all..they are currently the only sponsor that makes me any real money. They run a great program and if you can't sell their sites (they simply sell themselves) you're obviously in the wrong biz. Here's mine for the month so far:

                                  Kara's Adult Playground 12 0 0 12 357.00 1066

                                  12:1066 yep, they are shaving. LOL

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                                  • GP
                                    Registered User
                                    • Oct 2001
                                    • 14

                                    #18
                                    Maxcash is a great program , my guess is that your traffic sucks.
                                    I am converting 1:217 this month

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                                    • Zebra
                                      Banned from Kimmy's couch
                                      • Oct 2001
                                      • 5091

                                      #19
                                      Blu - If I send 100 hits and get a signup does that mean that my signups ratio is always going to be 1:100? If I send 100 hits and get a signup then send 1,900 more hits does that mean that I was shaved 19 signups on that last group of 1,900 hits or does it mean that I really have 1:2000 traffic and just happened to get my 1 signup in the first 100 hits? Judging by your ratio and the amount of hits you said you are sending you have very small traffic. With very small traffic you can get very wild numbers and come up with some very innacurate conclusions.

                                      Maybe they just deleted your posts because they thought you were a rabid wanker who was only there to cause problems by posting wild accusations based on his limited knowledge? Or maybe they just have it in for you..

                                      It's a conspiracy!! Solyent Green is people!!
                                      Old School

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                                      • Zebra
                                        Banned from Kimmy's couch
                                        • Oct 2001
                                        • 5091

                                        #20
                                        BTW Blu (or should I say Jerry Fletcher?)

                                        When you posted on MaxCash's board did you login before you posted? They delete any posts that show up as anonymous.
                                        Old School

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                                        • Snake Doctor
                                          I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                          • Mar 2001
                                          • 13449

                                          #21
                                          I swear all of these shaving threads are like a broken damn record. I see them on every sponsors message board I've ever been to.
                                          Hell I even saw someone on the PMB board accusing Jim of shaving! Shaving on a 60/40 program....that's friggin ridiculous.
                                          Why you would bother continuing to send traffic to someone you think is dishonest is beyond me. There are more sponsors out there than you'll ever be able to use. Send your traffic somewhere else if you're not happy with their results.
                                          You need to send a MINIMUM of 10,000 clicks to a sponsor to determine what kind of ratio you'll have with their site. This 0:2000 whining bullshit is ridiculous. I've gone 0:10,000 and then 7:500 with the same sponsor in back to back weeks. When its all said and done, over time ratios tend to even out.
                                          Now that I'm done ranting I have a ? for you folks that run partnership proggies. How many members do you need to send to a program before you'll have an accurate idea of what kind of rebill ratio to expect?
                                          sig too big

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                                          • Kimmykim
                                            bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                            • Jun 2001
                                            • 16015

                                            #22
                                            Regardless of the rest, let's make sure you get at least part of your information correct.

                                            First off, the FTC is not a court of law. Second off, Maxcash was not 'penaltied' any money in this imaginary court you have in your mind.

                                            Escrow and fine are totally different words, you can see this at http://dictionary.com if need be.

                                            Anyone wanting to read the settlement terms, here it is.
                                            http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/09/rjb1.htm

                                            Oh and Toolz, if you get an explanation for the contrariness of signups in a given period, how about sharing with me?

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                                            • Rice_Master
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Mar 2001
                                              • 1582

                                              #23
                                              Quick, delete this post!
                                              Icq: 31706665

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                                              • playa
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Feb 2001
                                                • 6432

                                                #24
                                                check out my ratio at maxcash 1:9266

                                                who can beat that!!!

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                                                • Diamond Jim
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • May 2001
                                                  • 150

                                                  #25
                                                  Hey Lenny....just like conversion ratios, rebilling percentage takes a decent amount of signups to get an accurate feel. The reason is, there are even more variables in rebilling percentages than there are initial signup ratios...

                                                  The first and foremost indicator (besides the sponsor having a shit site) will always be your traffic source. TGPer's will never rebill as high as search engine traffic gurus, and even search engine gurus tend to rebill less than people with good opt-in email lists. Other considerations are what processor is being used, does the guy have enough on his card to allow billing in the first place, etc..

                                                  I would hazard a guess that it takes at least 50 sales to get a valid idea of what your retention is going to be like, as long as you're in reasonable norms to begin with. If you go 1:10, then 2:20, etc...I'd say you're getting your answer pretty quick.




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                                                  • Snake Doctor
                                                    I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                    • Mar 2001
                                                    • 13449

                                                    #26
                                                    Thanks Jim
                                                    sig too big

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                                                    • Techie Media
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                      • 3092

                                                      #27
                                                      This kinda goes with this thread.
                                                      http://www.webmastersguide.com/legal/maxcash.htm

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                                                      • Snake
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Mar 2001
                                                        • 126

                                                        #28
                                                        I'm not confirming shave activity, but I did see this url pop when I hit the enter button on Karas XXX which is the top banner on my site... http://www.snakesworld.com/links.html

                                                        this url gets me nothing....(i.e. signups don't count) http://iwantsex.com/index2.shtml?splashpage

                                                        Whois Results for iwantnetsex.com
                                                        Registrant:
                                                        RJB Telcom Inc.
                                                        13771 Fountain Hills Blvd
                                                        Suite 247
                                                        Fountain Hills, AZ 85268
                                                        US

                                                        Snake
                                                        Snakesworld.com

                                                        [This message has been edited by Snake (edited 10-23-2001).]

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                                                        • Blu Solutions
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Sep 2001
                                                          • 183

                                                          #29
                                                          Damn, Snake !!
                                                          I thought I have a kinda error on my computer ! Now you have proven it is not !
                                                          The trouble is I have the same fucking "iwantnetsex.com" when I was designing a gallery and accidently clicked on my own referrer's code for MaxCash ..
                                                          So I would like to ask now too - WHAT THE FUCK IS IWANTNETSEX.COM ????
                                                          Blu Solutions

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                                                          • funkmaster
                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                            • Sep 2001
                                                            • 7938

                                                            #30
                                                            "this url gets me nothing...."

                                                            ... does maxcash say you do get payed on everything ... ??

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                                                            ... giving away mass traffic for free !!

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                                                            • Snake
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Mar 2001
                                                              • 126

                                                              #31
                                                              DNS issues...?

                                                              [This message has been edited by Snake (edited 10-23-2001).]

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                                                              • Diamond Jim
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • May 2001
                                                                • 150

                                                                #32
                                                                <spanish accent>

                                                                "You keep using that word...I do not think it means what you think it means..." - Iniego Montoya

                                                                </spanish accent>

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                                                                • BruceM
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                  • 4084

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Blu Solutions:
                                                                  Anybody noticed that MC was shaving sign ups in this month's beginning ? I had a ratio of 1:150 in previous month - 11 sign ups under that ratio ..


                                                                  You can't base your fluctuating conversions on only 10 or so signups in a month's period

                                                                  And after they (Maxcash) were penaltied by law court for 250 000 $ for charging surfer's credit cards - the damn ratio collapsed into zero's ..
                                                                  In first 11 days of october I had 1:2000 ... But the sources of traffic were the damn same..
                                                                  Now the ratio goes back, but anyway - maybe I am mistaken, but this can not be only accidently..

                                                                  Today's morning I have posted a message with this question on MaxCash's webmaster's board - and you know what ? They just DELETED IT QUICKLY..
                                                                  They delete all anon posts. Register if you want to post...

                                                                  I'd appreciate any their answer - but not like this .. As much as I did not claim there that they were shaving .. Heh .. Nice .. Now they proved they did ..
                                                                  I am converting at 1:80, I guess they are shaving me. Get a clue before posting stupid accusations.

                                                                  Bruce

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                                                                  • BruceM
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                    • 4084

                                                                    #34
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                                                                    • BruceM
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                      • 4084

                                                                      #35
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                                                                      SellHealth - Sell Herbal Sex Enhancers, HGH Releasers and more!
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                                                                      • Alyssa
                                                                        Registered User
                                                                        • Oct 2001
                                                                        • 1

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by funkmaster:
                                                                        "this url gets me nothing...."

                                                                        ... does maxcash say you do get payed on everything ... ??

                                                                        Hey Folks,

                                                                        As I posted on the max cash board - the IWANTNETSEX site is something we are beta testing. There was a temp glitch with the Kara's DNS which caused the beta to come up...now the cat is out of the bag : ((

                                                                        For all of you posting about ratios and such - you know where the MC marketing staff is and how to reach us. If you're having trouble converting, get in touch and one of us will certainly help you out.

                                                                        Shaving? Never have and never will - it's just not the type of business we do.

                                                                        Aly

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                                                                        • Blu Solutions
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Sep 2001
                                                                          • 183

                                                                          #37
                                                                          You are stupid asshole and ass-kisser

                                                                          Originally posted by BruceM:
                                                                          You're a fucking moron.
                                                                          Blu Solutions

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                                                                          • DarkJedi
                                                                            No Refunds Issued.
                                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                                            • 28301

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Bah, every sponsor saves. Everyone.

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                                                                            • DarkJedi
                                                                              No Refunds Issued.
                                                                              • Feb 2001
                                                                              • 28301

                                                                              #39
                                                                              i mean shaves

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                                                                              • playa
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                                • 6432

                                                                                #40
                                                                                its really difficult to find out if someone shaves or not,,but what i have realized that it is always a scapegoat when sign ups are down....

                                                                                lets be real,, till this day i never heard a disgruntled worker step up and say that they know for a fact that their previous employer shaves..

                                                                                and for sure i know by now there has to be some pissed off workers..

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                                                                                • Wizzo
                                                                                  2011 GFY Hall of Fame!
                                                                                  • Nov 2000
                                                                                  • 15224

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Welcome to board, Alyssa...
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                                                                                  • pr0
                                                                                    rockin tha trailerpark
                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                    • 23088

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Funny shit, seems like all companies like to steal in this business,...but is that really news?

                                                                                    I mean, in past history...what type of people have always run the high-end of porn & gambling? Hmmmm Letme think....oh yea now i remember!

                                                                                    Just let it go & find a new sponsor b4 your social security # ends up being sold to mexican immigrant runners in LA...Or tony & big Sal end up at your front door askin questions. hehe.

                                                                                    Peace out my fellow Digital pimpz


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                                                                                    • Zilla
                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                                      • 40

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      I have used Maxcash for over three years and have never had the feeling that they shave hits.
                                                                                      (-)Zilla(-)

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                                                                                      • Nysus
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Aug 2001
                                                                                        • 7817

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Hey Pr0, I just caught on to your ICQ# 420

                                                                                        Cheers
                                                                                        What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                                        Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                                        See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                                                        • the indigo
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Sep 2001
                                                                                          • 2016

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Hey Snake, do you ever reply to your emails?
                                                                                          "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die." -Hunter S. Thompson

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                                                                                          • max40
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Sep 2001
                                                                                            • 193

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Surely, I am not a big player, but I have 1:770 with MaximumCash from poor TGP traffic now. I had a period in summer with my record like 0:4500 on Kara. But after I've changed my galleries layouts all is OK to me.
                                                                                            Looking for TushyCash (EscortBiz or anybody from his team)

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                                                                                            • Zebra
                                                                                              Banned from Kimmy's couch
                                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                                              • 5091

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              I mean, in past history...what type of people have always run the high-end of porn & gambling? Hmmmm Letme think....oh yea now i remember!
                                                                                              Pr0 - You have been listening to Luke Ford or one of his followers haven't you?
                                                                                              The big online companies are NOT run by organized crime if that is what you think. Do you know RB & Bob Botto? JoeE and JB? FantasyMan? MarcDe? If you did you would laugh at the idea. These guys got where they are because they were here early and came up with good ideas. Even if somebody from the mafia came into this biz they would have a hard time making $$$. Kinda hard to threaten a surfer to make them signup with your site.
                                                                                              And if you are implying that the people that run these sites are thieves then why do you think so many people stay with them? Must be tony & big Sal threatening to kneecap them if they pull their banners..

                                                                                              Old School

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                                                                                              • Investigator
                                                                                                Registered User
                                                                                                • Oct 2001
                                                                                                • 5

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                I think it is time for some investigation.

                                                                                                Question : Did MaxCash fuck their customers ?

                                                                                                Answer 1 :
                                                                                                Yes, that's why they do not shave, they have
                                                                                                lots of dirty cash to pay you.

                                                                                                Answer 2 :
                                                                                                Yes, that's why they fuck you too !

                                                                                                Anyway, I knew about their courtcase before it was made public anywhere.

                                                                                                Oh, and Blu, if you're cheating, I'll track YOU down till you can't breath anymore. I think you're not cheatin' but if so, I'll publish every mistake you made since you were born.

                                                                                                The Investigator,
                                                                                                Likewhoa's nigtmare.

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                                                                                                • Rip
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                                                  • 1456

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Don't use maxcash a lot, but never had any problems... they always paid me

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                                                                                                  • johnmarced
                                                                                                    Registered User
                                                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                                                    • 10

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    i've never had a problem getting paid by them either

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