BIBLE = teaches peace, forgiveness and acceptance
QURAN = teaches death by sword, marriage of 6 yos and oppression of women
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QURAN = teaches death by sword, marriage of 6 yos and oppression of women
carry on!
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i like the quran because it gives you an excuse to kill people and killing people is FUN....Comment
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The Bible teaches to rape, kill, etc just as much as you think the Quran does. The Bible, Torah and Talmud are all just equally as bad.Comment
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This is certainly partly true. The Bible has been reinvented somewhat as an all peaceful religion, an drifted away from a lot of its own actual teachings. The only difference with the Quran is it is meant to be taken as the literal word of God, and as such any attempts to reform it are really futile among its believers.ICQ: 637//961--015Comment
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They are both the same. All the old testament stuff in the bible is just as nasty as anything you'll find in the Koran.
And I have actually read both.Comment
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I don't know enough about either to comment, but I think it's entirely possible for one to be much more violent than the other. I don't think it's just a matter of how many violent passages that elude to violence but the substance of it. For example, one book could preach about human sacrifices for various reasons while another could preach about directing violent acts towards specific individuals or groups (eg. non-believers). Both can be considered violent but would likely have very different implications in the real world when practiced.
You would also have to consider the non-violent passages and the underlying philosophies of each book to put the violent passages into context, and how the majority of their believers interprets them (literally vs metaphorically).
As a non-religious person, I think neither book should be taken seriously. But I can't ignore that they are by many.Comment
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Religious structures often bread fanatic types!
The mid east has never been stable, read your history books. Those who were not of the Quran faith even very early on were killed... look at the history of the Knight Templar and what was going on at their time. I think the only good thing that came out of the Christan movement was that I helped to counter balance much of the fanaticism of the mid east.
Sometimes I wonder if there is a super secret religious war going on... I'm not kidding.
Neither the Christan nor the Quran Bible teaches peace, forgiveness or acceptance, but rather it is the stable well spoken and respected individuals who create the stability, and they are often persecuted even by their own people!
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fuck both sheep creating books.Comment
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Religion is all part of the 'Noble Lie' - invented by man as a method of keeping the sheep in line.Comment
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...both are interesting fairy tales, and the foundation for social and moral control that has lasted centuries.
Furthermore, both reinforcing the greed, while covering it in a veil and justifying mass murder of many cultures and people in the name of the "greater good" for Christ and Mohammad.
Open a history book and look back on those 'good times' of the church. From literacy, greed, corruption, to mass murder. Let's not forget today's chapters of hippocracy, homos, and child sex scandals.
Yeah... this is an institution that _I_ would base my 'morals' on....
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The hawks/war mongers/greedy mofo's need their foot soldiers to fight their wars.
What better way to get them then to round up some sheep and convince them that if they do not do your bidding as, "man of the G", that they will be in trouble with the invisible man.
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the quran says to kill an innocent person is like killing all of humanity, i.e. a bad thing
either way they both say countless conflicting statementshatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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the rivalry between God and Allah should be the main topic here.Comment
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"Where knowledge ends, religion begins."Comment
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religion sucks. Both bible and Quran sucks.Comment
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Both were written... 250kish years after Humans, 100k years after we could write/read, and 10,000's of years after logical thought, invention, ect kicked in.
Both are inventions to control people, made by men, nothing more - nothing less.
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It's easier to roll a joint with bible paper.Comment
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Fact: both works of fiction are a huge farce, just like that (farce) of L.Ron (Dianetics)!Comment
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Actually is there anyone in this thread that as read both books and can actually make a true statement about this ????Comment
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They both teach peace and tolerance but also threaten a violent punishment for people that disbelieve. The Quran is written in poetry and is a more entertaining read in my opinion, but overall it is like a guide book for life just like the Bible is supposed to be, like all religious books are meant to be.
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I have no beef with Muslims or Christians. Let me live my life how i want in peace and i'll let you live yours how you want.Last edited by buzzy; 08-05-2008, 11:02 AM.Comment
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You're probably the only one in this thread who's read both and can talk about itThey both teach peace and tolerance but also threaten a violent punishment for people that disbelieve. The Quran is written in poetry and is a more entertaining read in my opinion, but overall it is like a guide book for life just like the Bible is supposed to be, like all religious books are meant to be.
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I have no beef with Muslims or Christians. Let me live my life how i want in peace and i'll let you live yours how you want.
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Might want to check your numbers on that, lol.
"100k years after we could write/read" - Considering that the earliest know written text (on stone from mesopotamia now modern day Iraq) only dates back to between 4 to 3000 BC this is way off mark. Also for most of our history except maybe for the last couple centuries the majority of the world populace was illiterate.
"10,000's of years after logical thought, invention, ect kicked in" - Your joking right? I don't think our so called logical thought has improved that much. Look at the world around us and tell me where the logic is. If we were a logical species we would be living in a much better world than we are now and those who say the worlds just fine doesn't have the first clue what's going on beyond the boundaries of their own self centered universe.
The only true fact in this age old debate is this:
There is no imperical proof that a God does or does not exist. The only thing that divides the two camps is actually the same thing. Personal Belief. And belief, by any definition of the word, can NOT be called fact with out ironclad proof.
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..and Quran.
Some people are just brilliant at attention whoring. Even if they don't know shit about topic, they will still start a thread about it.
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LOL at the title of this thread.Comment
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Just because the first known "written text" was Cuneiform, it doesn't mean that's the first written or drawn information is only 3-4k years old. Our brains could process the information well before 3-4k years ago. 10k years ago, we would have lived where the ocean is now as the majority of the planet was covered in ice, we aren't exactly sure if did read and write, but it's clear our brains could do it, and we knew how to survive.Might want to check your numbers on that, lol.
"100k years after we could write/read" - Considering that the earliest know written text (on stone from mesopotamia now modern day Iraq) only dates back to between 4 to 3000 BC this is way off mark. Also for most of our history except maybe for the last couple centuries the majority of the world populace was illiterate.
"10,000's of years after logical thought, invention, ect kicked in" - Your joking right? I don't think our so called logical thought has improved that much. Look at the world around us and tell me where the logic is. If we were a logical species we would be living in a much better world than we are now and those who say the worlds just fine doesn't have the first clue what's going on beyond the boundaries of their own self centered universe.
The only true fact in this age old debate is this:
There is no imperical proof that a God does or does not exist. The only thing that divides the two camps is actually the same thing. Personal Belief. And belief, by any definition of the word, can NOT be called fact with out ironclad proof.
Last time I checked we couldn't align ourselves with the magnetic polls of earth, without some computer crap to tell us how... yet 4k years ago we could, so what is logical thinking, really?
Logical thinking, has to do with care, love, fear, building shelter, dealing with death correctly, ect. We aren't all the same either. We are very logical, your understanding of it is todays standard, not real world life where a person has to survive.
I didn't bring God into this, I'm sure something creates and takes life, call it god if you wish. I don't think the stories are real, at any level. They are written by humans, modified over time by humans, taken from other stories written/passed down by humans, and used to control people by using fear and hate for others - all the while preaching god loves you only to its followers of that belief.
And today, if you say you speak to god, start writing books, getting followers. you get a drug test and tossed into a nut house or you run a cult and the fbi will burn your house down.Last edited by TheDoc; 08-05-2008, 12:15 PM. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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