PPS vs. Rev Share results. Why I always pick PPS

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  • woj
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    • Jul 2002
    • 47880

    #51
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    • babymaker
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      • Jan 2004
      • 4751

      #52
      Originally posted by wedouglas


      keep fishing for referral money
      it's true i pulled that right from the ccbill admin, it goes down the page, for a bit at 21 then some less, but it's by far my best sponsor for retention. I just wonder why it stops at 21 months when it says lifetime rebills, but i am not too worried 21 months is not bad for 1 sign-up. I have a lot of ccbill sponsors that go well over 12months on average.

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      • wedouglas
        So Fucking Banned
        • Aug 2004
        • 5921

        #53
        Originally posted by babymaker
        it's true i pulled that right from the ccbill admin, it goes down the page, for a bit at 21 then some less, but it's by far my best sponsor for retention. I just wonder why it stops at 21 months when it says lifetime rebills, but i am not too worried 21 months is not bad for 1 sign-up. I have a lot of ccbill sponsors that go well over 12months on average.
        I'll leave it at that. But lets be realistic here. All join came on the same day and rebilled the same length... fishy.

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        • Nicky
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Mar 2003
          • 30071

          #54
          Im not gonna tell where I send my revshare $$, summer is a beatch aint it

          gfynicky @ gmail.com

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          • BlingDaddy
            Confirmed User
            • Apr 2004
            • 6343

            #55
            Originally posted by fallenmuffin
            PPS - Short term
            REV - Long term

            Wanna get checks in 3 years from todays traffic? Then Rev Share.. just got your site up until that dream job comes along? Then PPS


            REV SHARE always.... always.. no you don't understand.. always
            FallenMuffin... I tend to agree with you, I really do. I've been at this "game" for some time....

            The bottom line is, some sites retain, and some do not. I've had sites I thought would "retain" that do not.. I've also had sites I never thought would rebill that do.

            The gamble is what? and what does not?
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            • kilotoons
              Confirmed User
              • Apr 2006
              • 519

              #56
              Revshare is priceless! The company in my sig has made me more than any other sponsors combined, off of revshare income!


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              • Capt. rold
                Confirmed User
                • May 2006
                • 192

                #57
                revshare works wonders for me - when there are slow sale times (xmas, spring, etc), the rebills make up for under-quota sales..

                like it's been mentioned in the thread, it's a short term vs. long term thing

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                • quantum-x
                  Confirmed User
                  • Feb 2002
                  • 6863

                  #58
                  ftv used to rebill at up to 12 months for me.
                  Raven Riley still converts like nuts - especially on our new member's areas.
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                  • 2HousePlague
                    CURATOR
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 14572

                    #59
                    Compelling arguments on both sides --

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                    tada!

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                    • beemk
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                      • Jan 2002
                      • 20829

                      #60
                      Originally posted by Capt. rold
                      revshare works wonders for me - when there are slow sale times (xmas, spring, etc), the rebills make up for under-quota sales..

                      like it's been mentioned in the thread, it's a short term vs. long term thing
                      anyone with minimal business sense and money managing skills only cares about earning more $ per member that they send a sponsor.
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                      • babymaker
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 4751

                        #61
                        Originally posted by wedouglas
                        I'll leave it at that. But lets be realistic here. All join came on the same day and rebilled the same length... fishy.
                        hmmm, i forget took that screencap about a month ago to make a 120x60 banner, but that is when they last rebilled. might have been a hun listing?? fuck i don't know lol i am tired as shit, but no scam believe it or not.

                        for example tho howigotrich.com no refcode does about the same for me on average way over a year retention, creampie cathy too swingermoney ghostcash, just posted it as an example.

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                        • BlingDaddy
                          Confirmed User
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 6343

                          #62
                          Originally posted by kilotoons
                          Revshare is priceless! The company in my sig has made me more than any other sponsors combined, off of revshare income!
                          Okay... let's play... what site?
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                          • Nicky
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 30071

                            #63
                            I just hate how this damn revshare sponsor converts on ccbill raw clicks


                            gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                            • bigdog
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jul 2001
                              • 6964

                              #64
                              Originally posted by BradM
                              wedouglas - try Braincash
                              Their sites retain an average of $71 for me right now. That's a tad higher than a $35 pps.
                              $71 is the total sale not just your cut?

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                              • webgurl
                                Confirmed User
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 7954

                                #65
                                Use what pays you the most in the end .
                                PPS vs Revshare same difference . blahhh .
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                                • Nylz
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Apr 2004
                                  • 8285

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by Nicky
                                  I just hate how this damn revshare sponsor converts on ccbill raw clicks

                                  you might want to rename that picture if you really want to keep it private
                                  No sig.

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                                  • fris
                                    I have to go potty
                                    • Aug 2002
                                    • 55789

                                    #67
                                    i have checks coming in from sponsors i have promoted 3 years ago, cause they rebill over and over.

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                                    • andrej_NDC
                                      Registered User
                                      • May 2004
                                      • 7760

                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by beemk
                                      anyone with minimal business sense and money managing skills only cares about earning more $ per member that they send a sponsor.
                                      I used to submit galleries for a long time and didn't care about $$$/member, because when I was sending to PPS programs I was making 2-3 sales a day, when to quality revshare programs, 10-15 sales a day.

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                                      • Theo
                                        HAL 9000
                                        • May 2001
                                        • 34515

                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by Nicky
                                        I just hate how this damn revshare sponsor converts on ccbill raw clicks


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                                        • Nicky
                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                          • Mar 2003
                                          • 30071

                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by Nylz
                                          you might want to rename that picture if you really want to keep it private
                                          ooooopppsss

                                          gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                                          • Nicky
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Mar 2003
                                            • 30071

                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                            ccbill-diesel.JPG
                                            maybe I named it like that because diesel is the worst converting sponsor I have.....nah

                                            gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                                            • Troels
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • May 2002
                                              • 1035

                                              #72
                                              I just checked our statsremote quick stats. Guess who's at the bottom of the list and who's on the top when I click $$$/Sale row. Almost exclusively revshare at the bottom.
                                              The only way revshare will make you more money with trial length/trial price/recur price being equal is if the pps shave some of your signups away.
                                              If the content is exclusive (or otherwise a unique product) for the revshare sponsor comparisons are useless. So I conclude, only use revshare if there is no pps alternative.

                                              I'll post our $ value per signup for any revshare sponsor on request.
                                              These guys steal your signups: Read here.
                                              And sexsearch.com profit from it.
                                              Check out which sponsors pay thieves here.
                                              And here's a list of clean sponsors.

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                                              • Antonio
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • Oct 2001
                                                • 14136

                                                #73
                                                in most cases is simmilar to the choice between having 100 dollars now or 150 in six months time, and there's no right choice IMO

                                                PPS gives you money NOW that you can reinvest, revshare will see you trhough the summer ;)

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                                                • Troels
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • May 2002
                                                  • 1035

                                                  #74
                                                  I think it's a myth that over time revshare is equal to pps.
                                                  I've never seen stats to prove it, and looking at our stats I only see one sponsor over $30 that's not pill or dating related.
                                                  Lightspeedcash $30,16 but if I'm not mistaken they have no trials or expensive trials?
                                                  Last edited by Troels; 05-27-2006, 04:03 AM.
                                                  These guys steal your signups: Read here.
                                                  And sexsearch.com profit from it.
                                                  Check out which sponsors pay thieves here.
                                                  And here's a list of clean sponsors.

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                                                  • bigdog
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                    • 6964

                                                    #75
                                                    Some revshares do well in terms of vaule per member but that is without trials, and for most people they are going to get a lot more signups with sites that have trials

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                                                    • andrej_NDC
                                                      Registered User
                                                      • May 2004
                                                      • 7760

                                                      #76
                                                      You miss the most important point, its not 100 sales at PPS versus 100 sales at revshare. Some PPS programs can make you 10 sales on one spot, some 30, some revshare program 20, some 50...You have to compare overall $$$. $$$/member is worthless, because you are not sending sales to programs, but traffic.
                                                      Last edited by andrej_NDC; 05-27-2006, 04:13 AM.

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                                                      • bigdog
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                        • 6964

                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by andrej_NDC
                                                        You miss the most important point, its not 100 sales at PPS versus 100 sales at revshare. Some PPS programs can make you 10 sales on one spot, some 30, some revshare program 20, some 50...You have to compare overall $$$. $$$/member is worthless, because you are not sending sales to programs, but traffic.
                                                        I totally agree with you boss, but most webmasters are going to make more with with pps trials sites then most revshare sites. From what i gather you sites do great without trials

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                                                        • andrej_NDC
                                                          Registered User
                                                          • May 2004
                                                          • 7760

                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by bigdog
                                                          I totally agree with you boss, but most webmasters are going to make more with with pps trials sites then most revshare sites. From what i gather you sites do great without trials
                                                          thats true, trials are always easier to convert...it takes more knowledge to convert the full price

                                                          I do a lot more $$$ without default trials, so I never had to re-think my strategy

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                                                          • Troels
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • May 2002
                                                            • 1035

                                                            #79
                                                            Yes, you have to examine the value of every hit sent out.
                                                            That I cannot easily see in statsremote - I'll have to go into our own tracking system since most pps sponsors cheat with their ratio (uniques).
                                                            But I'm quite certain revshare still can't beat pps.
                                                            And here's how. Our system calculates the value of each paysites outgoing clicks, and the higher the value the more clicks are sent out. No niche has a revshare sponsor as #1 where there is pps competition.
                                                            These guys steal your signups: Read here.
                                                            And sexsearch.com profit from it.
                                                            Check out which sponsors pay thieves here.
                                                            And here's a list of clean sponsors.

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                                                            • bigdog
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                              • 6964

                                                              #80
                                                              Originally posted by andrej_NDC
                                                              thats true, trials are always easier to convert...it takes more knowledge to convert the full price

                                                              I do a lot more $$$ without default trials, so I never had to re-think my strategy
                                                              You know what you are doing, most webmasters don't

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                                                              • jayeff
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • May 2001
                                                                • 2944

                                                                #81
                                                                Originally posted by wedouglas
                                                                This is why I always suggest PPS. I have never had a sponsor with revshare make more than PPS.
                                                                Totally meaningless stats, no matter what you are trying to prove. It is utterly irrelevant which payout method you use unless you pick the one which matches each sponsor.

                                                                The reason it's easy to argue that PPS is better is that most sites are rubbish and revshare is a waste of time on sites which make no attempt to retain their members. So be lazy, don't check out the sites you promote, do only PPS and you won't be wrong too many times. But you are leaving money on the table with every site which does retain: occasionally a lot of money.

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                                                                • soulboy
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Apr 2004
                                                                  • 663

                                                                  #82
                                                                  Just a thing, we are not considering that a dollar of today worths more than a dollar from here to 8 months. (discount rate).
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                                                                  • beemk
                                                                    CLICK HERE
                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                    • 20829

                                                                    #83
                                                                    Originally posted by andrej_NDC
                                                                    I used to submit galleries for a long time and didn't care about $$$/member, because when I was sending to PPS programs I was making 2-3 sales a day, when to quality revshare programs, 10-15 sales a day.
                                                                    as far as galleries i couldnt agree with you any more. but we're talking if we were to send the sales to the same sponsor and picking either pps or revshare.
                                                                    I host with Vacares

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