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  • wedouglas
    So Fucking Banned
    • Aug 2004
    • 5921
    #1

    PPS vs. Rev Share results. Why I always pick PPS

    Just figured I'd share some stats. I will not name the sponsor. They offered both rev and pps in the beginning. I was revshare. I signed up to promote them quite a while back, but never got around to it and started promoting them in February with targetted traffic sent to two of their sites. Both sites performed very similar.

    Site 1: 27926 1:230 53 Full, 60 Trials, 51 Rebills, 8 Multi Month Joins
    Site 2: 21631 1:177 54 Full, 61 Trials, 63 Rebills, 7 Multi Month Joins

    $/Join < PPS which was offered. That is from good traffic. This is why I always suggest PPS. I have never had a sponsor with revshare make more than PPS.
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    • sacX
      Confirmed User
      • Dec 2002
      • 2998
      #2
      Originally posted by wedouglas
      I have never had a sponsor with revshare make more than PPS.
      I have several sponsors that make *WAY* more on revshare.
      Have Asian Language Traffic?

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        • wedouglas
          So Fucking Banned
          • Aug 2004
          • 5921
          #3
          Originally posted by sacX
          I have several sponsors that make *WAY* more on revshare.
          Please share hahaha.

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            • Sly
              Let's do some business!
              • Sep 2004
              • 31379
              #4
              Those numbers show no comparison. I don't understand what exactly you're trying to prove. Furthermore, February was only 3 months ago, you can't gauge the full value of a member after only 3 months. Turn off all traffic to the rev-share account, then check back in 6 months and then again in 12 months and see what each member was worth. That would be a proper gauge.

              I used to think the same until I found a few sponsors that over time have created members worth over $40 per trial. And that is with additional traffic and sales coming in, if I cut those off the full value per trial would probably average over $50.
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                • BradM
                  Confirmed User
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 3397
                  #5
                  wedouglas - try Braincash
                  Their sites retain an average of $71 for me right now. That's a tad higher than a $35 pps.

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                    • sacX
                      Confirmed User
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 2998
                      #6
                      Originally posted by wedouglas
                      Please share hahaha.
                      AFF, DTIserv.
                      Have Asian Language Traffic?

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                        • Paparazzi
                          Confirmed User
                          • Mar 2002
                          • 3488
                          #7
                          you just have to find the right ones...

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                            • wedouglas
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 5921
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Sly
                              Those numbers show no comparison. I don't understand what exactly you're trying to prove. Furthermore, February was only 3 months ago, you can't gauge the full value of a member after only 3 months. Turn off all traffic to the rev-share account, then check back in 6 months and then again in 12 months and see what each member was worth. That would be a proper gauge.

                              I used to think the same until I found a few sponsors that over time have created members worth over $40 per trial. And that is with additional traffic and sales coming in, if I cut those off the full value per trial would probably average over $50.
                              I get more trials than rebills. And why does turning off all traffic prove anything? The point is that I am not turning off traffic.

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                                • Jace
                                  FBOP Class Of 2013
                                  • Jan 2004
                                  • 35562
                                  #9
                                  There are plenty of affiliate of our site that have made well over $40-50 off the joins they have sent

                                  and the sites I have promoted in the past have proven to be way more profitable than pps would have been for them

                                  you just have to pick and choose your revshare site carefully and not throw traffic to the first one you see....research of your target always pays off in the end

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                                    • wedouglas
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Aug 2004
                                      • 5921
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by BradM
                                      wedouglas - try Braincash
                                      Their sites retain an average of $71 for me right now. That's a tad higher than a $35 pps.
                                      To what sites? I do about 5 joins a day to them. I have thought about testing revshare, but not sure. Had poor results with teen sites on revshare.

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                                        • fallenmuffin
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Nov 2005
                                          • 8170
                                          #11
                                          PPS - Short term
                                          REV - Long term

                                          Wanna get checks in 3 years from todays traffic? Then Rev Share.. just got your site up until that dream job comes along? Then PPS


                                          REV SHARE always.... always.. no you don't understand.. always

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                                            • beemk
                                              CLICK HERE
                                              • Jan 2002
                                              • 20829
                                              #12
                                              it depends on the sites, theres very few sites that pay more for revshare.
                                              I host with Vacares

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                                                • beemk
                                                  CLICK HERE
                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                  • 20829
                                                  #13
                                                  also, i have several sponsors that after the members stopped rebilling i only made $10-20 per signup i sent. im sure a lot more sponsors are like that.
                                                  I host with Vacares

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                                                    • RRRED
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                      • 6754
                                                      #14
                                                      wedouglas hey man!

                                                      You GOTTA check the members areas FIRST. Most sponsors will let you do this. You can tell within 2 minutes in there whether a surfer would enjoy or HATE the site.

                                                      Find out how often the updates are and how much content is added with each update. Also check to see how much abuse the member has to go through to even GET into the members area. Are they fighting a load of popups? Are they sifting through a big cluster fuck of upsells within the members areas?

                                                      Do they have to pay for anything once they get inside? Is it hard to determine what links are movies or feeds and which ones are upsells?

                                                      See look here what we do http://www3.karupspc.com/81559102/new.php? This link is right on the main tour page. It shows which model was added last week, how many pics there are, how many movies, and shows the setting in which the shots were taken.

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                                                        • andrej_NDC
                                                          Registered User
                                                          • May 2004
                                                          • 7760
                                                          #15
                                                          I have always made more sales with revshare programs, much more...on the same traffic, so payout or rebills didn't bother me much. I made more $$$.

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                                                            • RRRED
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                              • 6754
                                                              #16
                                                              Don't you wish all of our revshare guys were like this one?

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                                                                • aico
                                                                  Moo Moo Cow
                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                  • 14748
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Those stats are pointless. What does the members area look like? That's how I base my decision on PPS or RevShare. I only do RevShare on sites that have members area that will retain members.

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                                                                    • XxXotic
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Jun 2002
                                                                      • 8500
                                                                      #18
                                                                      i have several 12+ month rebills with a few sponsors, i'd have been screwed on those with PPS. Your comparison doesnt really mean much, who's to say you pushed a site that knows how to keep members recurring anyway? Sites like that will always pay off better on PPS
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                                                                        • Fucksakes
                                                                          Shit... Fuck! What the Hell?
                                                                          • Dec 2003
                                                                          • 7567
                                                                          #19
                                                                          I normally pick pps, but with 21sexturycash I've been doing very well with recurring honestly, some days I make more recurring sales than I do normal sales.. check sig.

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                                                                            • Screaming
                                                                              I can change this!!!!!
                                                                              • Feb 2004
                                                                              • 18972
                                                                              #20
                                                                              RRRED lemme get the rest of that email addy

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                                                                                • kektex
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Mar 2005
                                                                                  • 1813
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  NSCash is the only sponsor that actually retains for me right now.Great sites = Lots of rebills.Simple.
                                                                                  exgfmovies.com, exgfclips.com, datesx.com, gayboards.com and more!

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                                                                                    • bdld
                                                                                      $100,000
                                                                                      • Dec 2001
                                                                                      • 11452
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      it really does depend on the sponsor. do your research and you should be able to get a good idea of how a sponsor retains. ask the sponsor for trial to monthlyl membership percentage, avg subscription length, then take a look at whats promised in the tour vs. the members area and you could figure out the PPS equivalent.

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                                                                                        • Project-Shadow
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                                                          • 7340
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by RRRED
                                                                                          Don't you wish all of our revshare guys were like this one?

                                                                                          I'd give him a free year pass.. he'll probably re-join again once that expires.

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                                                                                            • vod
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Jan 2006
                                                                                              • 3510
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Pay per signup is for the short term with more upfront money

                                                                                              Pay per recurring is for long term with more money in the End.

                                                                                              understand that if you do pay per recurring, make sure you use a company that does not recur subscriptions and rebills it's customers.

                                                                                              customers will come back for more if they like your content and price.

                                                                                              non-recurr billing = retention. try XonDemand, see sig...


                                                                                              Adult Merchant Account

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                                                                                                • axelcat
                                                                                                  Adult Locals
                                                                                                  • Jun 2002
                                                                                                  • 25450
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  This is a good thread

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                                                                                                    • woj
                                                                                                      <&(©¿©)&>
                                                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                                                      • 47880
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Those stats are completely useless, what you need to compare is $$/revshare vs $$/pps, what you showed is just bunch of meaningless numbers... and really, like sly said, you won't get accurate picture for at least another 8 months (assuming you started promoting that sponsor in feb or so)
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                                                                                                        • woj
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                                                                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                                                                          • 47880
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          oh, and this is a perfect example why every newb is jumping on the pps bangwagon... They promote a site for 3 months, they notice "I get more trials than rebills." and then conclude that the revshare model sucks...
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                                                                                                            • RogerV
                                                                                                              Banned!
                                                                                                              • Jul 2002
                                                                                                              • 12591
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              we have both and we shoot exclusive content every week and keep our members sections updated so try us out.. www.PornoPushers.com

                                                                                                              we convert amazing and retain very long

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                                                                                                                • czarina
                                                                                                                  Webmaster Extraordinaire
                                                                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                  • 10751
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  I always pick pay per signup too. Mostly with companies that pay more than $30. I especially like Adult.com and EpicCash
                                                                                                                  They both rock!

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                                                                                                                    • amateurcanada
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                      • 3766
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by wedouglas
                                                                                                                      Please share hahaha.
                                                                                                                      We'll I can go on about how we do better then most - but we have stuck with the 60/40 split for a while and have no malicious tricks for the users. So with our live support, nice content and creativity members do stick around more.

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                                                                                                                        • GatorB
                                                                                                                          The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                          • 18208
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by woj
                                                                                                                          Those stats are completely useless, what you need to compare is $$/revshare vs $$/pps, what you showed is just bunch of meaningless numbers... and really, like sly said, you won't get accurate picture for at least another 8 months (assuming you started promoting that sponsor in feb or so)
                                                                                                                          Well if you're someone like me that mainly uses PPC, you don't have 8 months to wait to see if it pays more. It's going to cost way more than the $3 you might make off of revshare for a trial then you have to HOPE that they rebill and then rebill over and over? Fuck that with PPS I know if I am making money or not RIGHT NOW. And that's what counts. What if you promote revshare and the company goes belly-up? Where's your money then?

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                                                                                                                            • beemk
                                                                                                                              CLICK HERE
                                                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                              • 20829
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by vod
                                                                                                                              Pay per signup is for the short term with more upfront money

                                                                                                                              Pay per recurring is for long term with more money in the End.
                                                                                                                              gfy myth #472

                                                                                                                              it depends on the site you're promoting.
                                                                                                                              I host with Vacares

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                                                                                                                                • beemk
                                                                                                                                  CLICK HERE
                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 20829
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  anyone that says revshare with trials makes more than pps with trials i would like to see some stats to prove it.
                                                                                                                                  I host with Vacares

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                                                                                                                                    • wedouglas
                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                      • 5921
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by woj
                                                                                                                                      oh, and this is a perfect example why every newb is jumping on the pps bangwagon... They promote a site for 3 months, they notice "I get more trials than rebills." and then conclude that the revshare model sucks...
                                                                                                                                      newb... hahaha. I'm set to probably make more sales than your post count this year.

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                                                                                                                                        • RRRED
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                          • 6754
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Project-Shadow
                                                                                                                                          I'd give him a free year pass.. he'll probably re-join again once that expires.
                                                                                                                                          Hehe well I found out after I had posted this screenshot before that this guy only cancelled so he could resign up with his new credit card lol...

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                                                                                                                                            • Wiggles
                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                              • May 2004
                                                                                                                                              • 14423
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              pps is good if you don't have a steady traffic flow, i do pps but if i know i can send like 5+ sales a day to a site then i'll do rev, well depending on the sponsor too, some sponsors rev sucks!
                                                                                                                                              no sig

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                                                                                                                                                • circlekhabib
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                  • 490
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  it depends on the sites, theres very few sites that pay more for revshare.
                                                                                                                                                  no sir, it depends on the niche. hardcore lovers of a niche
                                                                                                                                                  rebill forever. although finding, weeding them out and filtering
                                                                                                                                                  them takes more effort than just submitting a tgp gallery.

                                                                                                                                                  general vanilla type porn is better suited for pps but there is
                                                                                                                                                  more competition and saturation
                                                                                                                                                  transexual sponsors

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                                                                                                                                                    • defresto
                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                      • 317
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      If a sponsor don't offer PPS it means for me usually he can't retain his members with exeption of a couple ccbill sites that are owned by photographers themselves with very regular and exclusive updates. Sponsors that can offer PPS do so as they know most of adverts like PPS.

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                                                                                                                                                        • aico
                                                                                                                                                          Moo Moo Cow
                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                          • 14748
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by wedouglas
                                                                                                                                                          newb... hahaha. I'm set to probably make more sales than your post count this year.
                                                                                                                                                          "set to probably"

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                                                                                                                                                            • circlekhabib
                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                              • 490
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              and I personally never ever use revshare from
                                                                                                                                                              a sponsor offering pps nor do I use any pps sponsor
                                                                                                                                                              at this time outside of sexkey. don't trust a damn one of them.
                                                                                                                                                              as said above it is imperative to see the members area
                                                                                                                                                              transexual sponsors

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                                                                                                                                                                • beemk
                                                                                                                                                                  CLICK HERE
                                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                  • 20829
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by circlekhabib
                                                                                                                                                                  no sir, it depends on the niche. hardcore lovers of a niche
                                                                                                                                                                  rebill forever. although finding, weeding them out and filtering
                                                                                                                                                                  them takes more effort than just submitting a tgp gallery.

                                                                                                                                                                  general vanilla type porn is better suited for pps but there is
                                                                                                                                                                  more competition and saturation
                                                                                                                                                                  proof?

                                                                                                                                                                  78
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                                                                                                                                                                    • wedouglas
                                                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                                      • 5921
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Don't forget that rebills include trial conversions.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • beemk
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                          • 20829
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by defresto
                                                                                                                                                                          If a sponsor don't offer PPS it means for me usually he can't retain his members with exeption of a couple ccbill sites that are owned by photographers themselves with very regular and exclusive updates. Sponsors that can offer PPS do so as they know most of adverts like PPS.
                                                                                                                                                                          did you ever think that mabye a sponsor can only make so much from member sales and have to rely on cross sales, upsells in the members area to ever be able to afford to pay out $35 for a trial?
                                                                                                                                                                          I host with Vacares

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                                                                                                                                                                            • wedouglas
                                                                                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                                              • 5921
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by aico
                                                                                                                                                                              "set to probably"

                                                                                                                                                                              well he does have 20K posts and I;m going on stat remote estimates here

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Theo
                                                                                                                                                                                  HAL 9000
                                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 34515
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  no offense but $/Join < PPS which was offered

                                                                                                                                                                                  means nothing

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • wedouglas
                                                                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 5921
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                                                                                                                                      no offense but $/Join < PPS which was offered

                                                                                                                                                                                      means nothing
                                                                                                                                                                                      That is everything. I am making less per sale than I would with pps...

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • babymaker
                                                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 4751
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by circlekhabib
                                                                                                                                                                                          no sir, it depends on the niche. hardcore lovers of a niche
                                                                                                                                                                                          rebill forever. although finding, weeding them out and filtering
                                                                                                                                                                                          them takes more effort than just submitting a tgp gallery.

                                                                                                                                                                                          general vanilla type porn is better suited for pps but there is
                                                                                                                                                                                          more competition and saturation
                                                                                                                                                                                          Exactly I sell niche so revshare 90% of time.

                                                                                                                                                                                          This sponsor rebills 21months at a time then dies but 21 months is over $300 beats 35 any day


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                                                                                                                                                                                            • wedouglas
                                                                                                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 5921
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by babymaker
                                                                                                                                                                                              Exactly I sell niche so revshare 90% of time.

                                                                                                                                                                                              This sponsor rebills 21months at a time then dies but 21 months is over $300 beats 35 any day



                                                                                                                                                                                              keep fishing for referral money

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Theo
                                                                                                                                                                                                  HAL 9000
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 34515
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  You are missing my point. Your thread title and subject tries to put revshare and pps into certain frames without you imho having seen the whole picture.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Were you provided with 3rd part stats so you can be 100% sure you were credited for all the sales you reffered to the PPS program?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • wedouglas
                                                                                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 5921
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                                                                                                                                                      You are missing my point. Your thread title and subject tries to put revshare and pps into certain frames without you imho having seen the whole picture.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Were you provided with 3rd part stats so you can be 100% sure you were credited for all the sales you reffered to the PPS program?
                                                                                                                                                                                                      What do you mean?

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