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  • drama
    Confirmed User
    • Jul 2004
    • 847

    #1

    DRAMA: This fucking designer is trying to take me for $900

    After about 5-6 weeks of waiting for this fucking idiot to do the design for me i sent him this email

    "Again I have had no updates as to the work which has been done for multiple days now and am left twiddling my thumbs without anything to do..

    You've told me that I would get daily updates for the site so I can monitor the progress which has been done which has not been the case.

    I have been having to chase you guys to find out what is going on which is unacceptable.

    I do not want you guys to finish the site as I never know whats going on and have to babysit this project which should have been completed.

    I really do not care how much you've done or how close you are as I am getting someone else to complete this job.


    Please refund my $900.

    Best Regards,

    Joe"


    He then responds with

    Dear Joe,

    "I'm sorry for the troubles but our wireless internet phone got stolen back in Thailand. Seeing it as a hopeless situation there I changed my ticket to come back to Holland and I've just arrived in Holland so this was the first time till then I could get online.

    First of all, I'd like to finish the job but if you really found someone else and do not wish to get it completed by me, then I cannot refund the full $900. I've still done a lot of work and cannot let this all go for free. I'm sorry it had to be like this. "


    So, i responded with this


    "You promised that the shit would be done in 5 weeks and that I would have daily updates and here we are in week 7 and all I've seen was a stupid fucking jpg image of one section.

    When I wrote to you previously you said that you would again provide the daily update for me and that this job would be done within a week and AGAIN it totally fucked up, the week has passed and I have not received any updates other than the jpg image.

    So you completely fucked me over is more or less what happened. You cost me lots of lost production time because you could not even deliver a fucking watermark image so that I could encode the content.

    Working with you has been one broken promise after another broken promise and nothing has gotten done. The only work you've done as far as I am concerned is what you provided in that jpg image which is not much at all.

    Seeing as dave referred me to you and made a cut I have asked him to remove my video feeds from his site. I will also do my best to make sure that you don?t fuck anyone else over.
    "
  • drama
    Confirmed User
    • Jul 2004
    • 847

    #2
    What do you guys think i should do?

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    • Theo
      HAL 9000
      • May 2001
      • 34515

      #3
      I understand your frustration. We dealt with similar issues for some non-adult designs last months. None out of 5 or 6 designers met any given deadline they provided. PSDs were taking ages to arrive, always something was missing and so on. Imagine we didn't receive all work up to this moment.

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      • xtrasyn
        Confirmed User
        • May 2006
        • 168

        #4
        Take your loss and move on- it is what I would do I guess.

        And fuck him when and if you can.
        SIG WAS NOT TOO BIG! It had it´s allowed maximum 120x60 size and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR, we know. But because we deleted the sig and you forgot on what server your 120x60 image was stored and how it was named, you are now forced to use this text.

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        • Pornostatic
          Registered User
          • Mar 2006
          • 51

          #5
          thank god my designer is my brother ... to many fucking scam artists out there
          Pornostatic Cash

          ICQ# 253876527

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          • polle54
            Confirmed User
            • Jul 2004
            • 4626

            #6
            You could start out telling us who it is, that would help alot
            ICQ# 143561781

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            • Klayemore
              Registered User
              • May 2006
              • 31

              #7
              Mate, if you ever need any designs done in the future, then feel free to contact me. I've been a web/graphic artist for a couple of years and I'm starting to do this as a sidejob Will offer a great price too
              WWW.EYESTHETIKS.NET
              Banner Design, Sig Design, TPG Templates, Web Design

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              • drama
                Confirmed User
                • Jul 2004
                • 847

                #8
                Originally posted by polle54
                You could start out telling us who it is, that would help alot
                Trust me, nothing would make me more happy but before i drop the ball on this guy i am waiting to see what he has to say to the last email i sent him. If i do not like the response i'll let everyone know.

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                • Egomancer
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                  • Dec 2005
                  • 2074

                  #9
                  It happens all the time...

                  Egomancer
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                  • wdforty
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 1824

                    #10
                    doesn't sound like he's trying to scam you, i bet he's just lazy... but you are right to request a refund, as 7 weeks is too long

                    a lot of designers are pretty slack from stories i've herd from clients, he's just making excuses
                    icq 157542142

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                    • digifan
                      The Profiler
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 14618

                      #11
                      Originally posted by drama
                      Trust me, nothing would make me more happy but before i drop the ball on this guy i am waiting to see what he has to say to the last email i sent him. If i do not like the response i'll let everyone know.
                      Good decision.... maybe he has too much work, he is not lazy but he overdid himself (in Thailand?) hmm.
                      [email protected]
                      Webair Rocks

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                      • Dirty F
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Jul 2001
                        • 59204

                        #12
                        Designers and programmers...both are horrible to deal with.

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                        • drama
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 847

                          #13
                          I never said he tried to scam me. The guy does good which is why i agreed to the initial "up to 5 weeks" to get this shit done. But this is fucked.

                          I had to pay another guy $400 to do the same shit that i paid this guy $900 to do because this project is far to important to me to sit here and fuck around with.

                          Hopefully it works out in the end and if not then i'll have to eat it as a loss but i will not be happy about it and will go out of my way to fuck with him.

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                          • wdforty
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 1824

                            #14
                            Originally posted by drama
                            I never said he tried to scam me.
                            "take me" and "scam me" are pretty much the same thing to me
                            icq 157542142

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                            • drama
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 847

                              #15
                              Originally posted by wdforty
                              "take me" and "scam me" are pretty much the same thing to me

                              "Scam me" to me would mean that he had no intentions of doing anything other than collecting the money

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                              • Enema
                                Confirmed User
                                • May 2004
                                • 599

                                #16
                                This thread does not deliver.

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                                • wdforty
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jul 2004
                                  • 1824

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by drama
                                  "Scam me" to me would mean that he had no intentions of doing anything other than collecting the money
                                  well, thanks for clearing that up for me good luck with it all
                                  icq 157542142

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                                  • ed146
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                                    • May 2005
                                    • 283

                                    #18
                                    Good luck with that
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                                    • Hollywood376
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                                      • Jul 2005
                                      • 1154

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by drama
                                      Please refund my $900.
                                      There's the problem...you need a refund. Never pay in advance. That's the best way to be sure you'll never get what you want or get it on time.

                                      ICQ 251796771

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                                      • drama
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jul 2004
                                        • 847

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Hollywood376
                                        There's the problem...you need a refund. Never pay in advance. That's the best way to be sure you'll never get what you want or get it on time.
                                        Agreed, although it's a $900 lesson

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                                        • zken
                                          Registered User
                                          • Aug 2004
                                          • 89

                                          #21
                                          man that sucks, that's really upsetting alright.
                                          need galleries? logos? banners? tour sites? and even php programming? hit me on my icq 227524580 and let's talk

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                                          • Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                            North Coast Pimp
                                            • Dec 2005
                                            • 9395

                                            #22
                                            Well, I think I will chill out here and see where this one goes!

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                                            • Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                              North Coast Pimp
                                              • Dec 2005
                                              • 9395

                                              #23
                                              WHo has the popcorn?

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                                              • drama
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Jul 2004
                                                • 847

                                                #24
                                                I got some and its in the popper but i havent turned it on just yet

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                                                • MaddCaz
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                                                  #25
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                                                  • psili
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                                                    • Apr 2003
                                                    • 5526

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by MaddCaz
                                                    is there really no honor in porn?

                                                    No, it's because desi.....

                                                    -- Post edited for fear of hurting a group's sensitive emotions.
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                                                    • Klayemore
                                                      Registered User
                                                      • May 2006
                                                      • 31

                                                      #27
                                                      You should never pay the full amount in advance.

                                                      Half payment upon commencement and half when finished is the way I usually do things these days.
                                                      WWW.EYESTHETIKS.NET
                                                      Banner Design, Sig Design, TPG Templates, Web Design

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                                                      • hezochiah
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • May 2006
                                                        • 807

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by xtrasyn
                                                        Take your loss and move on- it is what I would do I guess.

                                                        And fuck him when and if you can.
                                                        Originally posted by Egomancer
                                                        It happens all the time...
                                                        I think those two different quotes have a lot to do with each other. I mean if people keep saying move on, learn from it, then fuck him over later, that may be a reason why it keeps happening. You shouldn't need someone else to hold you accountable for doing a job that you were paid for. I'm not saying that this is a case of someone being ripped off because we are still waiting for all the info but I have seen a lot of people getting screwed on this board in my short time here.

                                                        If I ever do get video work from here, I'm not going to need the person I'm doing work for or with to come here and say I'm not doing my job in order for me to get that job done. I don't know, it just sounds pretty sad to me that it takes that type of action for some people to take care of business.

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                                                        • MoreMagic
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Feb 2006
                                                          • 2851

                                                          #29
                                                          Is this guy site starting with a I ?:

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                                                          • drama
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Jul 2004
                                                            • 847

                                                            #30
                                                            His name does not start with an I but does have one in it!

                                                            Hez: You are absolutely right! I should not need to hold someone's hand to ensure they deliver what they said they would when they said they would. It's utter bullshit.

                                                            In this biz, like any other biz, all you really have in the end is your Word. I'll jump through hoops to ensure i can keep my promises and stick to what i said i would do and if i am unable to then i will always let the customer know and see where he wants to take it from there.

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                                                            • bangman
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Sep 2004
                                                              • 5283

                                                              #31
                                                              Joe,

                                                              Good luck getting this issue resolved. Like I said, I will do what I can to help. It's unfortnate, but if you don't hear anything from him this week I would recommend you letting other people know who it is.

                                                              - Dave
                                                              - David Hall
                                                              ICQ: 312744199

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                                                              • drama
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Jul 2004
                                                                • 847

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by bangman
                                                                Joe,

                                                                Good luck getting this issue resolved. Like I said, I will do what I can to help. It's unfortnate, but if you don't hear anything from him this week I would recommend you letting other people know who it is.

                                                                - Dave

                                                                Thanks Dave,

                                                                I aplogize for getting you involved in this mess and i am glad we had a chance to talk on the phone to atleast get our involvement sorted out! I wish it was their account i had sent the money to as i would have had no issues following through on the dispute but since you were just a middleman i couldn't in good faith follow through with it.

                                                                Be careful with those guys since you already know who it is!

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                                                                • Twisted Dave
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Mar 2006
                                                                  • 3635

                                                                  #33
                                                                  If I'd agreed to do the site... I'd not have taken 900 from you up front ... I'd have taken maybe 200 as a good will payment. Then i'd have busted my ass to do the job for you and get you AAA quality in good time. That's how we work. Bad luck dude... post his details around for others to be wary of him. I'd EXPECT my name to be dragged if I couldn't come up with the goods and didn't refund the 900 ... fuck... sorry, I'd NEVER have taken it!


                                                                  Custom Cartoon Mascots - ICQ: 243355699, Email: [email protected] or Click Sig - 15% referrals. Send me clients, make money!

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                                                                  • Mr.Right - Banned For Life
                                                                    I guarantee it
                                                                    • May 2005
                                                                    • 18314

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by drama
                                                                    After about 5-6 weeks of waiting for this fucking idiot to do the design for me i sent him this email

                                                                    "Again I have had no updates as to the work which has been done for multiple days now and am left twiddling my thumbs without anything to do..

                                                                    You've told me that I would get daily updates for the site so I can monitor the progress which has been done which has not been the case.

                                                                    I have been having to chase you guys to find out what is going on which is unacceptable.

                                                                    I do not want you guys to finish the site as I never know whats going on and have to babysit this project which should have been completed.

                                                                    I really do not care how much you've done or how close you are as I am getting someone else to complete this job.


                                                                    Please refund my $900.

                                                                    Best Regards,

                                                                    Joe"


                                                                    He then responds with

                                                                    Dear Joe,

                                                                    "I'm sorry for the troubles but our wireless internet phone got stolen back in Thailand. Seeing it as a hopeless situation there I changed my ticket to come back to Holland and I've just arrived in Holland so this was the first time till then I could get online.

                                                                    First of all, I'd like to finish the job but if you really found someone else and do not wish to get it completed by me, then I cannot refund the full $900. I've still done a lot of work and cannot let this all go for free. I'm sorry it had to be like this. "


                                                                    So, i responded with this


                                                                    "You promised that the shit would be done in 5 weeks and that I would have daily updates and here we are in week 7 and all I've seen was a stupid fucking jpg image of one section.

                                                                    When I wrote to you previously you said that you would again provide the daily update for me and that this job would be done within a week and AGAIN it totally fucked up, the week has passed and I have not received any updates other than the jpg image.

                                                                    So you completely fucked me over is more or less what happened. You cost me lots of lost production time because you could not even deliver a fucking watermark image so that I could encode the content.

                                                                    Working with you has been one broken promise after another broken promise and nothing has gotten done. The only work you've done as far as I am concerned is what you provided in that jpg image which is not much at all.

                                                                    Seeing as dave referred me to you and made a cut I have asked him to remove my video feeds from his site. I will also do my best to make sure that you don?t fuck anyone else over.
                                                                    "
                                                                    I know exactly who you are talking about, he has done some work for me and he has had some troubles since moving to Thailand, i have paid him money in the past and have never had one problem with him, he has some money of mine at the moment and i to have not heard from him, but i am sure he will follow through and get your site designed, he has not let me down in the past.

                                                                    He has had some major problems in Thailand and i confirmed this with him on the phone from here in aus a few weeks ago.

                                                                    I know its a pain in the butt to wait, i also hate waiting, but i am sure if you just give him a little longer he will come through for you, as soon as i see him on ICQ i will tell him to contact you asap.

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                                                                    • drama
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                                      • 847

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Batts
                                                                      I know exactly who you are talking about, he has done some work for me and he has had some troubles since moving to Thailand, i have paid him money in the past and have never had one problem with him, he has some money of mine at the moment and i to have not heard from him, but i am sure he will follow through and get your site designed, he has not let me down in the past.

                                                                      He has had some major problems in Thailand and i confirmed this with him on the phone from here in aus a few weeks ago.

                                                                      I know its a pain in the butt to wait, i also hate waiting, but i am sure if you just give him a little longer he will come through for you, as soon as i see him on ICQ i will tell him to contact you asap.
                                                                      While i applaud your ability to wait i have been waiting far too long. Initially all i really needed were the watermark images so i can encode content and you think he would even provide those to me?

                                                                      IT was only last week when i started to get pissed that anything was actually done, which means that during the 5 weeks that he was supposed to be doing the shit for me he did absolutely nothing, atleast for me.

                                                                      While i really dont care about his living situtation he could have come to me and said "Look joe, i'm having some issues and how do you want to deal with it" but instead he yet again promised me "1 Week and it will all be done" and here we are, no further than where we were.

                                                                      I have already hired someone else to complete the project. I do not want him to do it, i dont have the time to wait another 5 weeks which he sorts his shit out.

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                                                                      • drama
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jul 2004
                                                                        • 847

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Broken promise after broken promise. I think he used my $ to move now he doesnt have it to refund me, which is fine.


                                                                        You think he woud say "I understand i fucked up on this project so i will give you a $900 credit towards something else you might want designed later on since i was unable to do this for you" but instead i get a "Fuck you, too bad you hired someone else, i am keeping your money and you get nothing."

                                                                        Dont forget that it was only last week that he promised me "1 more week and its done" YET he knew exactly what was going on and the moving and shit..It was almost deceitful
                                                                        Last edited by drama; 05-25-2006, 06:44 AM.

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                                                                        • Mr.Right - Banned For Life
                                                                          I guarantee it
                                                                          • May 2005
                                                                          • 18314

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by drama
                                                                          While i applaud your ability to wait i have been waiting far too long. Initially all i really needed were the watermark images so i can encode content and you think he would even provide those to me?

                                                                          IT was only last week when i started to get pissed that anything was actually done, which means that during the 5 weeks that he was supposed to be doing the shit for me he did absolutely nothing, atleast for me.

                                                                          While i really dont care about his living situtation he could have come to me and said "Look joe, i'm having some issues and how do you want to deal with it" but instead he yet again promised me "1 Week and it will all be done" and here we are, no further than where we were.

                                                                          I have already hired someone else to complete the project. I do not want him to do it, i dont have the time to wait another 5 weeks which he sorts his shit out.
                                                                          Thats cool mate, i thought i should just post here as i knowwho you are talking about and i have dealt with him many times for various projects and he has not let me down.

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                                                                          • Screaming
                                                                            I can change this!!!!!
                                                                            • Feb 2004
                                                                            • 18972

                                                                            #38
                                                                            thats nuts, best of luck to ya.

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                                                                            • drama
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jul 2004
                                                                              • 847

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Batts
                                                                              Thats cool mate, i thought i should just post here as i knowwho you are talking about and i have dealt with him many times for various projects and he has not let me down.

                                                                              I've always been an unlucky fuck

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                                                                              • NemesiS876
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                                                                                • May 2006
                                                                                • 7436

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Kill him and for return take his wife

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                                                                                • E$_manager
                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                  • Apr 2006
                                                                                  • 13557

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  sorry for you, need to be careful with people, but sheat happends
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                                                                                  • E$_manager
                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                    • Apr 2006
                                                                                    • 13557

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    i would have givven you an advice, but i never had such situation, nor my friends
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                                                                                    • Brujah
                                                                                      Beer Money Baron
                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                      • 22157

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Is it AdultRMX? Still haven't heard from him but at least this would explain why maybe.

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                                                                                      • Altwebdesign

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Not good for business!

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                                                                                        • VicD
                                                                                          ICQ: 304-611-162
                                                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                                                          • 13245

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by drama
                                                                                          Trust me, nothing would make me more happy but before i drop the ball on this guy i am waiting to see what he has to say to the last email i sent him. If i do not like the response i'll let everyone know.
                                                                                          Yep, that's what i should do

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                                                                                          • Th!nk
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Aug 2005
                                                                                            • 6996

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            oh that totally sucks...sorry to hear about that.

                                                                                            better be careful next time so that this shouldn't be happening to you again.
                                                                                            i wish you best of luck in getting this all done.

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                                                                                            • czarina
                                                                                              Webmaster Extraordinaire
                                                                                              • Jul 2002
                                                                                              • 10751

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              if you paid him with a credit card, you can always dispute the charge.
                                                                                              Otherwise, fly to Holland and beat the shit out of him.

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                                                                                              • drama
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Jul 2004
                                                                                                • 847

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                                                Is it AdultRMX? Still haven't heard from him but at least this would explain why maybe.

                                                                                                Not those guys,atleast from what i know but thanks for a tip on who NOT to do biz with!

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                                                                                                • drama
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                                                                                                  • Jul 2004
                                                                                                  • 847

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by czarina
                                                                                                  if you paid him with a credit card, you can always dispute the charge.
                                                                                                  Otherwise, fly to Holland and beat the shit out of him.

                                                                                                  I went to dispute the charge but there was someone who collected the funds for the guy. There is no way i would hold the person who accepted the payment for the designers responsible for it.

                                                                                                  Believe me, i would love to CB on this fucker but it isnt fair for the other guy to take the hit on it.

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