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  • Cory W
    Deeply shallow
    • Jan 2004
    • 9133

    #1

    PROJECT - affiliates and programs living in glass houses - results inside

    Chargeback regulations exist with cross sales as well. I am not even sure why there is even a debate further than that statement. If we are going to live in Glass Houses, it may well be a good time to remind everyone that the conventional rebilling models have come under as much fire as cross sales themselves have.

    Does Adult Mega Cash auto-rebill the surfer, or are they on a moral high-ground whereas they email the surfers reminders? Answer, they auto rebill.

    But hey, no big deal, canceling is simple enough:

    Lets look over the process.

    adultmovietime.com/index2.html


    Click on instant access.

    Click on terms and conditions


    Click on cancel.


    Click on cancel again.

    http://amc2.adultmegacash.com/cancel/index.php

    I would say it is pretty hard to cancel a membership to a page not found.


    Now I thought I would go over to the affiliate program and ask for some help, as it does say they have "experienced marketing associates."

    Apparently, "experienced marketing associates" are people that post racist remarks on business chat forums and well, rip off other affiliate programs with fraudulent joins.

    Nofx AKA Sexxy AKA Spamurai
    Reasons for termination;
    (sexxy)
    MySpace Referring URL?s, Against MySpace TOS, no commercial etc ? been contacted by MySpace.com?s Fraud Dept.
    (Nofx)
    100% no referring URLs & 99% AOL IP's



    We have cancelled him three times, however, let it be known that I still allowed him to be payed out. I used some of our cross sale funds, pretty empowering.

    I guess NOFX's martyrdom for not promoting programs with cross sales is rather new. However, with the rap sheet I got on him, I doubt he will have a tough time not promoting all these programs he called out.
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  • Phoenix
    BACON BACON BACON
    • Nov 2002
    • 35475

    #2
    good work cory...but no one takes him seriously since he is a racist pig
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    • Tom_PM
      Porn Meister
      • Feb 2005
      • 16443

      #3
      Oh me oh my.

      I clicked someones sig once to their program and the "Support" page was blank. You made it further than I ever could have
      43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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      • dynastoned
        mmm yeah!
        • Feb 2005
        • 5061

        #4
        lol interesting..

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        • gregtx
          Confirmed User
          • Jan 2002
          • 1929

          #5
          I wike frow wok in grass house ;)

          btw.. who own's IME publishing now??
          Processing Partners http://www.processingpartners.com

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          • Screaming
            I can change this!!!!!
            • Feb 2004
            • 18972

            #6
            welll well well....

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            • Toolz
              Confirmed User
              • Jun 2001
              • 690

              #7
              Those using/pushing revshare always think their shit doesn't stink and their way of billing the customer is different, in reality they're following the same models, just earning less for the webmasters using the program.

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              • J$tyle$
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Apr 2003
                • 11500

                #8


                OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS

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                • Mohawk Steve
                  (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
                  • Apr 2005
                  • 3223

                  #9
                  Originally posted by gregtx
                  I wike frow wok in grass house ;)
                  Clips4Sale
                  Affiliate Growth Manager

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                  • xxxice
                    Confirmed User
                    • Feb 2002
                    • 5042

                    #10

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                    • davethetruth
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 2806

                      #11
                      We only do revshare with our toy stores, but my shit stanks, ask my wife!
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                      • J$tyle$
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 11500

                        #12
                        Relevant?





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                        • Gabriel
                          Confirmed User
                          • Apr 2002
                          • 4789

                          #13
                          Its still to early for this thread. Class doesn't let out until 3pm
                          ICQ#: 142295729

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                          • seeric
                            ..........
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 41917

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Gabriel
                            Its still to early for this thread. Class doesn't let out until 3pm

                            oh shit, HAHAHAHAHAHA.

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                            • JerseyPuma
                              Confirmed User
                              • May 2002
                              • 1149

                              #15
                              fucking owned. if i was gay (the jury is still out) i would fellate you next time i saw you cory.
                              LOVERCASH.COM
                              good dating sites.

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                              • Wiseman
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jan 2002
                                • 2990

                                #16
                                Fucking Idiots!
                                [*]E-mail: [email protected][*]ICQ: 109726012[*]AIM: QbWiseman

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                                • Screaming
                                  I can change this!!!!!
                                  • Feb 2004
                                  • 18972

                                  #17
                                  back to the top with you.

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                                  • Platinum Dave
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Mar 2001
                                    • 2441

                                    #18
                                    Reading the cross sell thread made me sick to think some people are so uneducated at times with the comments they make.

                                    10-15% of of surfers accept a cross sell, the surfer is not stupid. They get a free trial to a site for 3 days, they get an email from Paycom of how to cancel, the cross sell pre checked or not pre checked is a common business practice in the online world.

                                    When I read posts like this, I just have to say there are some people who open their mouths that really don't have a clue of any facts and come off sounding just stupid. There was alot of that going on in the cross sell thread.

                                    ----------------------------

                                    It's far better to promote a sponsor that is here for the long haul. Which of the following do you think that is:

                                    - Sponsor 'A' pays $40 per join and has x-sales
                                    - Sponsor 'B' pays $20 per join with no x-sales (or at least, unchecked x-sales)

                                    This tells me that most of Sponsor B's income is probably from retaining members, which means they have quality sites, will incur less chargebacks and are a solid partner for the future.

                                    Sponsor A needs to rely on being sneaky to get money out of surfers wallets, and when VISA tightens up on such practices in the future (which they will when enough surfers moan about it) their business plan will be screwed.

                                    Sponsor B gets my traffic every time.

                                    ------------------------

                                    Now why in the hell would you send to a program for $20 if they convert equally to a $40 per signup program just because they have 2 cross sells?

                                    Man this does not make sense to me.


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                                    • 2HousePlague
                                      CURATOR
                                      • Jul 2004
                                      • 14572

                                      #19
                                      Great post, Dave.



                                      2hp
                                      tada!

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                                      • Pipecrew
                                        Master of Gfy.com
                                        • Feb 2002
                                        • 14888

                                        #20
                                        He made a stupid thread, but I'd think his reason for termination from your program would be protected information and not used to discredit him and the program he is representing.

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                                        • Shok
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Apr 2001
                                          • 5611

                                          #21
                                          Why make millions when you can make hundreds!!

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                                          • seeric
                                            ..........
                                            • Aug 2004
                                            • 41917

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Platinum Dave
                                            Reading the cross sell thread made me sick to think some people are so uneducated at times with the comments they make.

                                            10-15% of of surfers accept a cross sell, the surfer is not stupid. They get a free trial to a site for 3 days, they get an email from Paycom of how to cancel, the cross sell pre checked or not pre checked is a common business practice in the online world.

                                            When I read posts like this, I just have to say there are some people who open their mouths that really don't have a clue of any facts and come off sounding just stupid. There was alot of that going on in the cross sell thread.

                                            ----------------------------

                                            It's far better to promote a sponsor that is here for the long haul. Which of the following do you think that is:

                                            - Sponsor 'A' pays $40 per join and has x-sales
                                            - Sponsor 'B' pays $20 per join with no x-sales (or at least, unchecked x-sales)

                                            This tells me that most of Sponsor B's income is probably from retaining members, which means they have quality sites, will incur less chargebacks and are a solid partner for the future.

                                            Sponsor A needs to rely on being sneaky to get money out of surfers wallets, and when VISA tightens up on such practices in the future (which they will when enough surfers moan about it) their business plan will be screwed.

                                            Sponsor B gets my traffic every time.

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                                            Now why in the hell would you send to a program for $20 if they convert equally to a $40 per signup program just because they have 2 cross sells?

                                            Man this does not make sense to me.

                                            this board is full of hipocrites dave, i think you know that. something that is moral one day is not the next if its convenient. glad to see that there are other people that aren't afraid to type what they're thinking. personally, we don't do them just because. its how we wanna run the business. if others want 95 prechecks on their pages then by all means knock themselves out, i don't look down on anyone doing agressive cross sales. i do only approval plus and it seems to work out fine for me. case by case, business by business scenario is the only way to look at it. this board is a cess pool of people that are out for themselves and will always attempt to slander or bring down others based on nothing more than "perspective" sometimes. i say fuck em. thats why i'm not afraid to speak my mind or stick my nuts out there to be stepped on. glad to see cory drop it like its hot. at least i know i'm not the only person that runs a program thats not afraid to bust balls.

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                                            • candyflip
                                              Carpe Visio
                                              • Jul 2002
                                              • 43074

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Pipecrew
                                              He made a stupid thread, but I'd think his reason for termination from your program would be protected information and not used to discredit him and the program he is representing.
                                              And even then it's not like it's that big of a deal. He was sending traffic from MySpace.

                                              Spend you some brain.
                                              Email Me

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                                              • Cory W
                                                Deeply shallow
                                                • Jan 2004
                                                • 9133

                                                #24
                                                I wanted to protect the surfers on MySpace from Pornography.
                                                ICQ: 292310358
                                                Offering writing and content services (mainstream).
                                                Marketing for L3 Payments

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                                                • lazycash
                                                  Troll Patrol
                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                  • 15214

                                                  #25
                                                  Lol, I remember nofx used to have quite a presence on the wegcash board 3-4 years ago and even won a big contest they had if I recall correctly.
                                                  "WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..

                                                  Its crazy..."

                                                  VenusBlogger

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                                                  • Cory W
                                                    Deeply shallow
                                                    • Jan 2004
                                                    • 9133

                                                    #26
                                                    I don't have anything against AMC, they may well be great people, probably are. The point is that no one should point fingers at others unless they check themselves. I happen to love rev share programs, I made a lot of money with them (more tan PPC programs).

                                                    But he is an employee of AMC. He used a platform of negating major programs billing models to help promote his style program. His argument was that we treat surfers to scamming models.

                                                    Is promoting on MySpace good for surfers?

                                                    Are error cancellation pages good for surfers?

                                                    Sometimes in this industry, people spend more time being righteous than they do looking at their own house. I don't care what AMC does, I don't think they are a bad program, they just choose to do things differently. However that is not a good enough reason to condemn others.
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                                                    Offering writing and content services (mainstream).
                                                    Marketing for L3 Payments

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                                                    • pr0
                                                      rockin tha trailerpark
                                                      • May 2001
                                                      • 23088

                                                      #27
                                                      i hate to say it

                                                      but nofx got pwned in this thread lol
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                                                      • gregtx
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jan 2002
                                                        • 1929

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Pipecrew
                                                        He made a stupid thread, but I'd think his reason for termination from your program would be protected information and not used to discredit him and the program he is representing.

                                                        so his thread about siccash's $118 trial price... wasn't discredting to pimpdogg?? ;)
                                                        Processing Partners http://www.processingpartners.com

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                                                        • Wizzo
                                                          2011 GFY Hall of Fame!
                                                          • Nov 2000
                                                          • 15224

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by WEG Cory
                                                          I wanted to protect the surfers on MySpace from Pornography.
                                                          Is that what Jesus would do?
                                                          Looking for Opportunity!

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                                                          • Cory W
                                                            Deeply shallow
                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                            • 9133

                                                            #30
                                                            I blame BradShaw.
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                                                            Offering writing and content services (mainstream).
                                                            Marketing for L3 Payments

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                                                            • Theo
                                                              HAL 9000
                                                              • May 2001
                                                              • 34515

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Pipecrew
                                                              He made a stupid thread
                                                              i agree, not due to cross sales role, usage or practices by who and why, but the way he handled it was very amateur and poor

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                                                              • Cory W
                                                                Deeply shallow
                                                                • Jan 2004
                                                                • 9133

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Wizzo
                                                                Is that what Jesus would do?


                                                                You guys have some nice looking tours man.
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                                                                Offering writing and content services (mainstream).
                                                                Marketing for L3 Payments

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                                                                • pr0
                                                                  rockin tha trailerpark
                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                  • 23088

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Wizzo
                                                                  Is that what Jesus would do?
                                                                  i just spit coke zero all over my keyboard...thanks!
                                                                  __________
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                                                                  • Wizzo
                                                                    2011 GFY Hall of Fame!
                                                                    • Nov 2000
                                                                    • 15224

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by WEG Cory


                                                                    You guys have some nice looking tours man.
                                                                    Want to trade some pre-checked cross sales...
                                                                    Looking for Opportunity!

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                                                                    • Cory W
                                                                      Deeply shallow
                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                      • 9133

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Wizzo
                                                                      Want to trade some pre-checked cross sales...
                                                                      Does water turn to wine?

                                                                      Hit up John.
                                                                      66316875

                                                                      He is the smart one.

                                                                      I am the good looking one.
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                                                                      Offering writing and content services (mainstream).
                                                                      Marketing for L3 Payments

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                                                                      • germ
                                                                        ( o Y o )
                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                        • 3108

                                                                        #36
                                                                        im pretty sure nofx isnt actually racist. he just has a really strange sense of humor.

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                                                                        • Wizzo
                                                                          2011 GFY Hall of Fame!
                                                                          • Nov 2000
                                                                          • 15224

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by WEG Cory
                                                                          Does water turn to wine?

                                                                          Hit up John.
                                                                          66316875

                                                                          He is the smart one.

                                                                          I am the good looking one.
                                                                          I actually think we are doing biz with you guys, but I have the same burden as you... the good looking one...
                                                                          Looking for Opportunity!

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                                                                          • Brujah
                                                                            Beer Money Baron
                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                            • 22157

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Will NOFX respond?

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                                                                            • davethetruth
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                                              • 2806

                                                                              #39
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                                                                              • Cory W
                                                                                Deeply shallow
                                                                                • Jan 2004
                                                                                • 9133

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by JerseyPuma
                                                                                fucking owned. if i was gay (the jury is still out) i would fellate you next time i saw you cory.
                                                                                I was only a few vodka tonics away on the last night of the forum from letting you.
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                                                                                Offering writing and content services (mainstream).
                                                                                Marketing for L3 Payments

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                                                                                • Gabriel
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Apr 2002
                                                                                  • 4789

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by germ
                                                                                  im pretty sure nofx isnt actually racist. he just has a really strange sense of humor.
                                                                                  AOL kiddies unite.
                                                                                  ICQ#: 142295729

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                                                                                  • hershie
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Jun 2002
                                                                                    • 4642

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by germ
                                                                                    im pretty sure nofx isnt actually racist. he just has a really strange sense of humor.
                                                                                    nofx went way beyond just trying to drum up attention or have a sick sense of humour. The stuff he said was meant to hurt and upset people, like those kids that have graduated from mutilating animals and have found a new outlet to inflict hurt.

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                                                                                    • germ
                                                                                      ( o Y o )
                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                      • 3108

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by hershie
                                                                                      nofx went way beyond just trying to drum up attention or have a sick sense of humour. The stuff he said was meant to hurt and upset people, like those kids that have graduated from mutilating animals and have found a new outlet to inflict hurt.

                                                                                      i havent seen anything that out of line from him, but im not a huge forum whore so i might miss some things.

                                                                                      ive known nofx for awhile and he's always been cool to me. im not saying he's infoulable, im just saying that in my dealings with him ive noticed his stange sense of humor but ive never actually seen him be hateful or racist.

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                                                                                      • germ
                                                                                        ( o Y o )
                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                        • 3108

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Gabriel
                                                                                        AOL kiddies unite.

                                                                                        way to jump to conclusions. i was merely stating my opinion about someone ive conversed with recreationally for awhile now.

                                                                                        just because i dont jump on your bandwagon is no reason to talk shit in my general direction.

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                                                                                        • OldSchoolJim
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Nov 2004
                                                                                          • 3117

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          this board is full of hipocrites dave, i think you know that. something that is moral one day is not the next if its convenient. glad to see that there are other people that aren't afraid to type what they're thinking. personally, we don't do them just because. its how we wanna run the business. if others want 95 prechecks on their pages then by all means knock themselves out, i don't look down on anyone doing agressive cross sales. i do only approval plus and it seems to work out fine for me. case by case, business by business scenario is the only way to look at it. this board is a cess pool of people that are out for themselves and will always attempt to slander or bring down others based on nothing more than "perspective" sometimes. i say fuck em. thats why i'm not afraid to speak my mind or stick my nuts out there to be stepped on. glad to see cory drop it like its hot. at least i know i'm not the only person that runs a program thats not afraid to bust balls.

                                                                                          This is a great response Aire3k....I seem to be hollering this a lot lately...

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                                                                                          • 12clicks
                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                                            • 19814

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Cory, you drama queen.

                                                                                            did you even ask "what would 12clicks do?"
                                                                                            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                            • Chris
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • May 2003
                                                                                              • 27880

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              not picking sides at all but are you guys allowed to release information like you did??
                                                                                              [email protected]

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                                                                                              • xxxice
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                                                • 5042

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Wizzo
                                                                                                Want to trade some pre-checked cross sales...

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                                                                                                • Brujah
                                                                                                  Beer Money Baron
                                                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                                                  • 22157

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Chris
                                                                                                  not picking sides at all but are you guys allowed to release information like you did??
                                                                                                  He didn't really reveal anything, except a board nick and that it was termed from a program for violating its TOS. I was still a bit surprised that he actually did that much though, in response to a cross-sell thread. I don't think dialog between those who want to participate is a bad thing, enough to warrant making it personal.

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                                                                                                  • Mighty Chin
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Aug 2003
                                                                                                    • 781

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by gregtx
                                                                                                    I wike frow wok in grass house ;)

                                                                                                    btw.. who own's IME publishing now??

                                                                                                    Getting Better Greg!!
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