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I like how some people think we have to protect surfers from themselves and that surfers are concered with the wellbeing of webmasters and the business health of the sponsor program. laughable.I died.Comment
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sorry about the double xsell.. er post ;)Processing Partners http://www.processingpartners.comComment
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I don't like that this is the way things are, but this is the way things are.
You can't sit on your soapbox and complain while the competition puts you out of business.
Do you really think if a company like Siccash came out and said "we love the surfer and we care greatly about the future stability of this business, so we're getting rid of ALL cross sales, upsells, consoles, and emailing of former and current members, and by the way, to accomplish this we're lowering payouts to $20 per signup.....$25 for whales"
If they said that they would go under within months. Everyone would send their traffic elsewhere because for every guy who comes out here and complains there are 99 guys who just want the higher payout and could give a fuck what else happens.sig too bigComment
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Dude how else would we be able to pay for our annual Spotted Owl and Bald Eagle b-b-q this monday at our lakefront offices?
Pimpin aint easy yoComment
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Ah Python, but you excel at screwing surfers AND webmasters! Keep up the good work, spamalamadingdong.Originally posted by Dollarmanstevei sale executive summaries of threadsComment
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Wouldn't expect any other type of comment from Python...Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
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maybe they should work on the members area instead of trying to rip off horny surfers using one hand...Originally posted by Harrison RichardComment
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damn lots of pre checks there, hope most surfers see that and actualy read.Comment
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What, that we are more concerned with running a proftable operation so we can stay in business and pay our webmasters than squabbling over the perceived ethical implications of a pre-checked xsell?Originally posted by RuiWouldn't expect any other type of comment from Python...
Let's keep this on topic and talk about pre-checked xsells (and this reply is not just to you but to the others who are debating the xsell issue).
Its been said in this thread already - surfers are NOT braindead morons and every single one of them has ample opportunity to un-check the xsell.
In fact, I know the exact %age on a daily basis of surfers that uncheck the xsells - and I can tell you that the VAST MAJORITY of subscribers DO NOT take the xsell.
So, you're trying to tell me that the 1/3 or 1/4 of people that take the xsell are 'misled' or 'scammed' somehow, and yet the other 2/3 or 3/4 people who successfully uncheck the xsell managed to figure it out? Explain that, please.
Arguing that prechecks are misleading or a scam is like saying the waitress who says "and those fries are with gravy?" or "and you want jalapenos on your nachos?" is ripping you off for trying to upsell you at the moment of purchase.I died.Comment
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"I have kids to feed" Latrell SpreewellSig too big
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no your analogy is useless - the correct analogy is the waitress bringing you a plate of nachos with jalapenos when you ordered them without and informing you that unless you remove the jalapenos yourself that you will be billed extra.Originally posted by DollarmansteveI moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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I disagree, Mutt.
It's more like her asking (informing you) and you saying No thanks (unchecking) or Yes please (checking or leaving checked).
After all, she doesnt just bring you plates of food until you've made your order (read the menu) and she's taken it down (and offered the add ons).Last edited by Tom_PM; 05-24-2006, 12:03 PM.43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.
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No no it's like when you order a burger and fries come with it.
You get the fries unless you ask not to have themComment
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Incorrect - in that example the transaction (the delivery of food) takes place BEFORE the ability to opt-out. In a pre-check xsell, the transaction does not take place until the surfer hits "submit" and the credit card is processed. The act of doing nothing is still an act as demonstrated by the people who successfully uncheck the xsell.Originally posted by Mutt
So no, my analogy is neither useless nor wrong.I died.Comment
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haha nice comparison shokOriginally posted by Shok
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Who cares what it is like, what it is not like. It is business. Without prechecked cross sells most of the webmasters would be working at wendys and dealing with 20$ payouts.Sig too big
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that is trueOriginally posted by David - PGThen again most companies doing revshare without trials never even come close to 100 Visa Chargebacks a month on their primary processor simly due to lack of size. So they don't have to worry about CBs in the first place
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nothing wrong with 20 dollar payouts.Originally posted by BradShawyou don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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I agreeOriginally posted by pocketkangaroo
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Amen... btw if anyone would like to take a look inside our members area before you decide to promote us, hit me upOriginally posted by Harrison Richard You'll get a better idea of what your surfers will be worth. It'll be alot more than $40 too...
carry on..
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this thread is making me hungry!!!
oh.. and nofx.. thanks for the promotion.. you should have put your referral code in this thread
Last edited by gregtx; 05-24-2006, 01:02 PM.Processing Partners http://www.processingpartners.comComment
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A cross is when you go to the store, and as your checking out they ask you if you want to also purchase a pack of gum.
A prechecked cross sell is when you when you make a purchase at the store, and they through a pack of gum into your bag and force you to take out it.
It's misleading. You damn well know they aren't reading everything; They are looking for the "submit" button and nothing else.Herschel Savage
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Only 10-15% of the surfers take a cros sell.
They get a FREE signup to a site, they get emailed by Paycom for the cross sell which easy instructions to cancel.
This is not a bad thing, surfers can have 3 sites for the price of one.
Surfers aren't stupid. Paycom CLEARLY displays the cross sell you are accepting and you get emails to verify the cross sell and easy access to cancel.
Don't see the issue.Comment
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Richard I find it funny now that Adult.com switches to a merchant account which you have to be extra careful so no cross sells allowed you are suddenly a big advocate against cross sells.Originally posted by Rochard
But for the last 5 years the company you worked for had no problems with them.
Some people should just be quite in certain situations, not try to make themselves look good always.Comment
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Amen brother.Originally posted by BradShaw
Love these programs that can't afford to pay per signup, so they put like 10 scenes of content in their sites and give people 50% partnership
No risks to them, surfer doesn't convert, oh well. They only pay the webmaster when THEY MAKE MONEY.Comment
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Originally posted by Rochard
wtf is misleading??
it's right thereComment
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It's not misleadingDo you need design work done. I am available check out my site TMC Web DesignsComment
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I'm on the fence a bit with this one, but I can tell you this, I'd be for pre-checked cross sells IF there was an option to uncheck all, like your email inbox, yanno?Need Hosting? Reality Check Network services me purrrfectly!
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Originally posted by chase
this may help..
paycom emails the member and lets them know that they have joined ALL three sites.. the member can cancel all three with one call or one email..
oh and a kicker.. if the email they provide bounces or does not work.. the member is automatically cancelled...
if the member contacts paycom afterwards. the joins are credited back.. no problem.. if the member contacts their credit card.. the charges are also chargedback.. without any affidavit work.. b/c it was already logged as a high risk transaction... NOW with that said.. we must now work to try to keep that member a member of our site. .vs cancelling ours to stay a member of the other two sites.. .Processing Partners http://www.processingpartners.comComment
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That does help. I've joined sites long before choosing this industry to earn a living in, so I can see both sides of the arguement, and it's just one of those issues that isn't black and white, so you just have to decide what is right for you. If you can't sleep at night over pre-checked cross sells, then don't use sponsors who do that. I do think that someone taking the time to do the sleuthing to determine which sponsors do or don't is helpful to other affiliates who feel similarly. However, for me, personally, I don't think it's enough for me to reject a sponsor in most cases.Originally posted by gregtxNeed Hosting? Reality Check Network services me purrrfectly!Comment
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daily bump
Often times I wonder why
There's love and hate, theres live or die.
When sickness comes I must decide:
When feelings go, theres suicide.
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Then why have them pre-checked? We all know they're pre-checked in hopes of catching the guys who don't read everything and hit submit and milking em for some extra cash. If you're going to argue otherwise, you're only lying to yourself.Originally posted by J$tyle$If it's FULLY DISCLOSED it's not sneaky or underhanded in any way.
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your reason is in their bank accounts.Originally posted by KrisKross
Often times I wonder why
There's love and hate, theres live or die.
When sickness comes I must decide:
When feelings go, theres suicide.
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